Sony's Press Conference games: In-Game and Real Time

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I cant believe sony admitted it was in real time!! /sarcsm

I'm skeptical, sony has a history of this ****.
 
That is what Sony calls the processor in the PS2. Those early PS2 demos were real-time too.

Did developers take advantage of all the processing power in the PS2? No.

Was it hard to do that? Yes.
 
Those without brains are the ones who believe these demos were not real-time, ignoring the facts presented before them, to the contrary.

Are you guys sure I'm not in the opinion forum?
 
It's because it's the first time they've seen something capable of showing stuff that before only CG and prerenders could make. I believe them full-on that it's real-time.
 
A name for a processor is one thing, but Sony actively tried to portray that the PS2 could do ground breaking AI and implied it came 'out of the box'. Now, sorry but I don't remember a single PS2 game when I thought 'Wow! look at the AI!', having said that I can only think of 3 games on any platforms that I've thought that.

I love Sonys hype, its so entertaining and over the top. Microsofts hype is just boring and predicable.
 
Sony over-hyped the EE, what the PS2 could do at the time was spectacular though, however the over-hype of the EE had nothing to with the fact that thoes tech demo's were real time, same goes for the PS3.
 
code_kev
Oh? I do, care to give examples, and when I say examples, I don't mean stuff I've said in sarcasm.

The killzone stuff is probably running off the hardware, don't see why not, but it is probably a tech demo.
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Tech demo's still run off of the hardware, so I fail to see where you are seeing a difference between the two.

If you see a milk shake on TV, it's a demo. Yet when you see it and drink it, it's real.

Both of them were made using a grill and condiments. What's the difference? One is a demo to get you to buy it, but end product is the same.
 
code_kev
Umm did you miss the whole PS2 build up? Two words, emotion engine.
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And where did sony fail? Did the PS2 not deliver a greater sense of emotion than we had seen in the previous generation of consoles?

The MEDIA overhyped the PS2, and people like YOU bought into what the MEDIA said.

Go back and read a lot of what sony said, they made pretty mild claims, as they are this time, they said that the PS2 would be capable of displaying emotion, and it does, DMC, GoW, MGS, FF, Tekken, and many other games, they all have facial expressions.

But believe what you want, because you were foolish once and now you feel stupid, learn from your lessons, but don't cause yourself to fall victim to ingnorance and misinformation.

Understand how everything works, and keep a lot of the doubt out of it.
 
tha_con
Tech demo's still run off of the hardware, so I fail to see where you are seeing a difference between the two.

If you see a milk shake on TV, it's a demo. Yet when you see it and drink it, it's real.

Both of them were made using a grill and condiments. What's the difference? One is a demo to get you to buy it, but end product is the same.
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you grill your milk shakes?

anyway, this whole talk of ps3s and xbox360s is ludicrous. wait till the things come out, play the games, and realise that the graphics will most likely be amazing on both.

killzone had great trailers, great cg, and played like a brick made of ****. so I'm not holding my breath for the sequel.

anyway, I got 2 words for all true gamers out there: Nintendo Revolution. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

who needs unreal engine 3 physics when you can get your hands on all the glorious ninty games of the past, with their awesome sprite based graphics?
 
And where did sony fail? Did the PS2 not deliver a greater sense of emotion than we had seen in the previous generation of consoles?

The MEDIA overhyped the PS2, and people like YOU bought into what the MEDIA said.

Go back and read a lot of what sony said, they made pretty mild claims, as they are this time, they said that the PS2 would be capable of displaying emotion, and it does, DMC, GoW, MGS, FF, Tekken, and many other games, they all have facial expressions.

But believe what you want, because you were foolish once and now you feel stupid, learn from your lessons, but don't cause yourself to fall victim to ingnorance and misinformation.

Understand how everything works, and keep a lot of the doubt out of it.
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Woah there Tha_con, the forums can only hold so much ego at once, and you pretty much filled the quota there. Firstly, I never bought the crap the media/ Sony said even back then, I only bought my ps2 quite recently (last year), see, I went for the Dreamcast (RIP). Thus I was not foolish, and you shouldn't make silly assumptions. Secondly, changing the facial expressions hardly counts as "teh uber emotion", hell sonic changes his facial features on sonic 1, and that's on the Megadrive. Hell the facial graphics on the PS2 are standard at best anyway, hardly Half Life 2 standard. Emotion is added through better story telling etc, not the Emotion engine, now obviously, the better graphics can give you a better emotional attachement to a game, but that goes without saying. Actually I guess if a game looked photo realistic, then it may bother me. Sony made out like it was utterly amazing, and how the AI would be a billion times better then everything else, yet it was no different. Put it simply, I have yet to play a game where I actually give a toss about blowing people away with HUGE guns.

Don't get me wrong, MS talk utter crap too.

On a side note, I liked how you spelt "ignorance" incorrectly, while I'm not usually a grammar nazi (heck, I'm an offender half the time also), it's just quite funny.

P.S Sony promised Toy Story style graphics, where are they? Well hell, with 4mb of video ram, they kinda shot them selves in the foot eh.

who needs unreal engine 3 physics when you can get your hands on all the glorious ninty games of the past, with their awesome sprite based graphics?
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Yoshis Island man, Yoshis Island :D. BTW Poochi the dog kicks fricking arse.


BTW this is where I get called a fanboy by 50% of the forum members, meh!
 
First of dood it was a typo, lol, you know that, don't point out my typo's as windows of stupidity.

Anyway, I vastly remember Videogames.com reporting that PS2 would have "toy story level visuals" yet I for the life of me, cannot remember, ONE instance in a sony press conference where Ken Kutatagi (I think that's the spelling of his name) said anything like the such. It was media hype more than sony, period. The tech demo's were amazing because the lighting was better than DC, particle effects were better than DC, but no one noticed the textures etc...until later, but for the time, it was great.

As for "emotion engine" quit carrying the name around like it was a big claim for it to be CG era. visuals.

Compared to it's previous hardware, PS2 was a leap from PS1, period. Compare models in God of War and their facial expressions to something like Tomb Raider. IMO, the faces in God of War show much emotion, period. Many other games do the same, it was about having the polygonal power to do this, that was the only reason it was called the "emotion engine".

And as for the AI, blame it on the developers. God of War, though simple, has pretty decent AI (for the smarter enemies) and if you've played Tekken 5, it has the BEST AI I've EVER SEEN in a tekken title. The computer often pulls set ups, and frame traps, though they are still easily fooled, their fighting strategy is far better than most fighters. Same goes for VF4.

I guess we could go on and on, but it's clear you were dissappointed with the PS2, because it just didn't suit your taste, but your claims are pretty absurd, IMO, as are the other ten million gullable people who baught into media hype, or at least listened to it.
 
tha_con
And where did sony fail? Did the PS2 not deliver a greater sense of emotion than we had seen in the previous generation of consoles?

The MEDIA overhyped the PS2, and people like YOU bought into what the MEDIA said.

Go back and read a lot of what sony said, they made pretty mild claims, as they are this time, they said that the PS2 would be capable of displaying emotion, and it does, DMC, GoW, MGS, FF, Tekken, and many other games, they all have facial expressions.

But believe what you want, because you were foolish once and now you feel stupid, learn from your lessons, but don't cause yourself to fall victim to ingnorance and misinformation.

Understand how everything works, and keep a lot of the doubt out of it.
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You're telling me :sly:
 
Errr theres often a lot of difference between Tech Demos and the real thing. Alot of tech demos are prescripted i.e. No AI hell just look at Half Life 2 at E3 2003 and of course missing a shed load of complex calculations for various gameplay elements.

An example of a tech demo is the PSX dinosaur head. Did we ever see a dinosaur that good in Dino Crisis? No. The first screens I saw of GT running on the PS2 also looked better than GT3 and I don't mean GT2000 (atleast what came later).
 
sony didn't actually promise toystory graphics, that was hype from mags. Bill Gates himself said the xb would be able to do toystory visuals. So toystory graphics weren't only mentioned for the ps2.
 
Toy Story visuals for any current generation console always was a load of crap. I doubt the next gen consoles could manage it either, atleast with the same level of quality and frame rate.
 
How do you like that Killzone 2 thing, eh? Had this been a PS1 or PS2 game, 7 times out of 10 (especially with the men on fire), this probably would have been full motion video, or in more common terms, FMV. I want to talk about another game I liked from the E3 coverage- Killing Day. Did you see the graphics in this game? Oh, man! I wasn't sure if this was going to be a movie based on a game, a game based on a movie, or just the perfect balance of great gameplay and a Hollywood-style feel to it. Motor Storm did look more like an FMV more than an actual game. Of course for reporters Adam Sessler and "Arena's" Kevin P., they'd wish Gran Turismo was as muddy and dirty as Motor Storm.

I don't know if it's going to be a PS2 or PS3 title, but I'd sure love to try out Okami. You cannot say enough for the lovely visuals this game possesses. I knew the cel-shading deal was going to be pretty cool one way or another. With the graphics in this game, it is very beautiful. Another game I liked was Madden NFL 2006. I tell you, I was completely blown away with this one. While Madden NFL 2004 and 2005 looked pretty nice, I seen little touches in Madden NFL 2006, such as nice snowflakes, detailed faces and uniforms, and it looks more like a movie. I'll tell you right now. I'd sure love to throw some touchdown passes to my wide-outs, or have my running backs take it to the house when Madden comes out. Either Madden, or the next slew of NCAA Football games. Whether it's the Super Bowl or the Rose Bowl, I'm sure it will be great fun either way.

I'm not going to come off with "screw you, XBOX360, I'm PS3 all the way." I think the package offered by both consoles is tempting, but I think with an easier to implement system deal, we may see more games being made better and prettier than the PS3 ever mustered. All I have to say is that I'm impressed with the PS3 material. Good one, mates.
 
Well, thats what Sony is claiming the PS3 can do, at a high frame rate too 30-60fps, in fact a much higer frame rate than the computers used to do Toy Story 2 did, 1 frame every 2-3 hours.

We'll see soon enough.
 

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