Specialist Sports Cars

[Dave A]

It has better fuel economy than the Ford GT, possibly the best most durable performance tyre's fitted on a road car ever and it grip's incredibly well if the TV tests and the magazine reviews I've read and seen are correct. As for the goal of the car Piech had the concept created, he wrote down nearly all the specs of the car and said I want thoes. The speed and power were only two of them.

Like I said before, I'd rather base my opinion's on what I've seen on TV and read in magazine's than your self made judgment that dissagree's with all of that. By all means, feel free to carry on thinking that, but don't expect everyone else to agree with you when I can't find a single test that criticises it's handling, they all praise it.

 

[Danoff]

And all of these (except drag) would be related to?

Please. do yourself a favor and go ask one, I'd be willing to take bets.

Holy crap. You're really reaching here.

Oh, but I didn't.

You should have at that point. It's customary when you accuse someone of being wrong and then find out that they weren't.

By saying its goal were to reach 1000hp and 400kph? Huh?

promised that the new Bugatti would be VW's crown jewel, the ultimate in automotive technology.

 

[YSSMAN]

Since when has the Veyron gotten better fuel economy than the Ford GT?

The EPA puts the GT at 13 city / 21 highway thus giving it the range to drive between 230-370 miles on a single tank... Thats pretty damn good for a 550HP supercar that held it's own against the absolute best from Europe and continues to dominate the sports car market to this day.

Estimates for the Bugatti put it at 7 city/ 10 highway... I think there is a bit of a difference there...

 

[Carl.]

It has better fuel economy than the Ford GT

What? Are you talking EPA ratings for highway / city driving here? Wouldn't that be a bit irrelevant when speaking of actual racing? What I've read about the fuel economy is that it's less than 4 mpg at full throttle in top gear. That will make the car run out of fuel in 12 minutes, and it's also a safety feature, given that the tires would begin to soften in 30 minutes at that speed.

possibly the best most durable performance tyre's fitted on a road car ever and it grip's incredibly well if the TV tests and the magazine reviews I've read and seen are correct.

Besides what I've said about the tires, you can also fit the same compound on any other car, it it's that great.

As for the goal of the car Piech had the concept created, he wrote down nearly all the specs of the car and said I want thoes. The speed and power were only two of them.

The two ones we've heard about ad nauseum since they first announced that the car would be produce were Power and Top speed. That's, curiously, also the two ones that delayed the launch of the car for so long.

Like I said before, I'd rather base my opinion's on what I've seen on TV and read in magazine's than your self made judgment that dissagree's with all of that. By all means, feel free to carry on thinking that, but don't expect everyone else to agree with you when I can't find a single test that criticises it's handling, they all praise it.

My opinion is based, as yours, from what I've sen in various car media. I never said that the car handles like a pig... I'm just saying that while most of the times people rave about its handling, most of them also mention that they were not expecting the car to be a good handler. And I've never read anything that would let me believe, either directly or implicitly that the Veyron would handle better than the other cars I've mentioned so far, while they clearly stated that in terms of top speed and acceleration, it's the undisputed leader.

 

[Carl.]

Holy crap. You're really reaching here.

No I'm not, go ahead and ask as many as you like. (Or are you saying that weight isn't a major factor in about every aspect you've mentioned?)

You should have at that point. It's customary when you accuse someone of being wrong and then find out that they weren't.

I really do hope this is some kind of humour.

As for my LA Times quote, I was hoping you didn't mean that you picked the subjective part of it, and leave out the specifics out to suit your point, but apparently, I was wrong.

 

[Poverty]

Since when has the Veyron gotten better fuel economy than the Ford GT?

The EPA puts the GT at 13 city / 21 highway thus giving it the range to drive between 230-370 miles on a single tank... Thats pretty damn good for a 550HP supercar that held it's own against the absolute best from Europe and continues to dominate the sports car market to this day.

Estimates for the Bugatti put it at 7 city/ 10 highway... I think there is a bit of a difference there...

Mate its true. The Ford GT does get worse MPG than the veyron when both are going at around 160mph. I'll see if I can find the video that explains it. I dont trust either

A) the EPA
B) B_x He also said that C6 corvette doesnt get bad mpg and that you could use it as a everyday driver and that its comfortable and you could drive for hours but it turned out he lied. I quote one of the european mags on the reviews of the C6. "Dont be fooled by the dealer...The mpg is really that bad"

If the Veyron was so good around a track, I believe we'd already seen one racing, or at least we'd have some comparative lap times to see how it's crushing other supercars on a racetrack.

Nope because VW would have to detune the veyron to get it to run in a race series and this is their flagship car. Its already got enough hype around it for vw not needing to create any more let alone run the risk of the veyron not winning races. Plus the veyron is expensive enough for all car loving celebs to want one. They always want the most expensive and half the customers probably dont know what the veyron can do initially.

As for the lag there theoretically is none. At the right gear and right revs the veyron will raise all hell. If you have gordon murray in the car in 3rd gear and some ridicoulously low revs the car wil seem as if its major lag as hes used to it raising all hell. Plus he was looking for bad things to say about the veyron.

 

[Dave A]

What? Are you talking EPA ratings for highway / city driving here? Wouldn't that be a bit irrelevant when speaking of actual racing? What I've read about the fuel economy is that it's less than 4 mpg at full throttle in top gear. That will make the car run out of fuel in 12 minutes, and it's also a safety feature, given that the tires would begin to soften in 30 minutes at that speed.

I'm talking overall, a Ford GT flat out will give less than 1mpg, what you said is true, flat out in 7th gear, the fuel goes fast, but you won't get to 250mph and 7th gear on any track that's not designed for nothig but a top speed run. ou won't hit that point even down the doettinger hoe (I think I spelt it wrong). And Poverty is right, the Ford GT is a monster for fuel. TopGear did a test which ncluded the Ford GT and it's now officially the most fuel hungry car to appear on TopGear.

Besides what I've said about the tires, you can also fit the same compound on any other car, it it's that great.

Do you have a source since I'm pretty sure the tyre's were designed specifically for the Veyron and the Veyron's wheels arn't the same sizes as any other car.

The two ones we've heard about ad nauseum since they first announced that the car would be produce were Power and Top speed. That's, curiously, also the two ones that delayed the launch of the car for so long.

Just because the media picked out thoes two doesn't mean they were the only two main goals, it just means they're the two the media liked the most.

My opinion is based, as yours, from what I've sen in various car media. I never said that the car handles like a pig... I'm just saying that while most of the times people rave about its handling, most of them also mention that they were not expecting the car to be a good handler. And I've never read anything that would let me believe, either directly or implicitly that the Veyron would handle better than the other cars I've mentioned so far, while they clearly stated that in terms of top speed and acceleration, it's the undisputed leader.

Then show me somewhere that say's it habdles well, but only for it's weight. I've not read a SINGLE review that's had anything bad to say about it's handling, they all say it's incredibly agile and nippy and chuckable, thoes are good things none say it's not as good as a Lambo or a Ford GT or anthing like that, none, I have read that it's the best supercar in the world, ever. I don't know if your starting to forget what the original debate was about now, because from this your sounding like were all saying it handles better than an Apollo or an Enzo ect, were not, we don't know. Were saying it handles very well and that include's for a supercar (we never said it was better than anything specific), and it's overall performance should give it a ring time in the 7'20's. That's what the debate was about.

 

[Poverty]

I dont think we will ever get to see the true potential of the veyron. Even if it gets an official test around the ring the numbers will still be slower than what its capable of as the car will be irreplaceable and therefore the sportauto tester wont be pushing the car to its limits.

The appollo race car will beat the veyron around the ring no doubt though. Its rear tires are 13 inches wide.

 

[Dave A]

The Apollo probably would win. Put it this way, it should win since it's sole puropse is to be a road worthy GT racer, but the Veyron wouldn't be far behind.

 

[Poverty]

The Apollo probably would win. Put it this way, it should win since it's sole puropse is to be a road worthy GT racer, but the Veyron wouldn't be far behind.

Yep. VAG power

 

[Dave A]

Spyker are interested in using the Veyron's W16 in a future model, should be interesting.

 

[Poverty]

Very interesting indeed. I doubt VAG will give it up though and if they do it will be very pricey.

 

[240Z]

Spyker are interested in using the Veyron's W16 in a future model, should be interesting.

I saw a Spyker C8 at a recent auto show. That is one of the weirdest designed cars I've even seen, in terms of interior and exterior details. Aside from the absurd amounts of machine-turning, weird steering wheel, clear roof, and exposed pedal mechanism, the gearshift linkage is exposed on the top of the transmission tunnel. Crazy stuff, but just crazy enough that I want one.

 

[YSSMAN]

The Spyker lineup is absolutely beautiful, and shows how awesome we Dutch folks are...

Besides that, I like the extensive use of Audi parts beneath the car. Wouldnt it make more sense for the Spyker folks to steal Audi's new Lamborghini-sourced V10 instead of the VAG W16? If they can get either, it would be great, but the V10 might be a better way to go...