Sport mode pushers

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Edd1982, Feb 21, 2020.

  1. Edd1982

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    We’ve all come across them. The pushers. You take a wide entry to a corner then take the racing line to the apex. The pusher doesn’t go wide. They go narrow. Then as you turn in they push the rear corner of your car causing you to spin out unless you can counter steer out of it. The only tactic that seems to prevent them from doing this is to go narrow into a corner when you are in front of them to prevent them from pushing.
    This works brilliantly but lap times are appalling and you watch the gap between the car in front of you increase as they take the racing line.
    GT sport moderators. Please do something about these pushers. There must surely be someone somewhere sat watching this happen but no penalties seem to be given!
    If it’s an FIA themed game, then make pushing un-sportsmanlike. I’m sure if a driver did this in real life they would be reprimanded!
     
  2. Pigems

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    GT Planet is not run by Polyphony Digital.
     
  3. fordlaser

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    Email Polyphony Digital about your problem because GT planet Moderators are not PD, but I don't think PD can do anything about Pushes because it is a game and it is no Real.
     
  4. GOTMAXPOWER

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    As far as I know this isn't a thing. That might be part of the problem.
     
  5. barak181

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    Basically, what you're talking about is people dive-bombing, lunging and jamming to the inside. That is a very common, well known problem in GT Sport (and most racing games, IMO) and you'll find many posts and videos complaining about it on these forums. You'll also find many posts and videos about the penalty system penalizing the victim rather than the aggressor in these situations. Also, you talk about the necessity of driving a defensive line and how much time that costs your lap time. Both of those are facts of racing and as a driver you need to decide if defending is worth the time it will cost you. That's part of racing strategy.
     
  6. Sander 001

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    I will handle it step aside everybody this is how it is done
     
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  7. Edd1982

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    My question/request to Polophony was purely metaphorical if that’s the right term? It was speaking without directly talking to them. However, people who make games may be reading any forums related to that game.
    One could only hope that at some point any customer feedback they come across browsing the internet will be heeded upon in game updates. Judging by how many times people have already expressed their unhappiness with dive bombing, I won’t be holding my breath.
    I used the go narrow strategy to keep the dive bombers at bay and tried to get a clean corner exit to pull away from them. The very big problem is, that, they always seem to be one or two car lengths behind me. If I did attempt to drive the normal racing line then it’s almost certain I will get dive bombed again.
    I would say that it’s better to hold a position rather than fall back and drop DR significantly. I have a new strategy that I’m going to put in place. I’m only going to drive the daily races at the start of the week.
    People are making lots of mistakes and running wide into corners, sometimes leaving the circuit often in the first few days of a daily race. All I have to do is not make mistakes, drive consistently, and move up through the field.
    This is my strong point. I have spent the past two weeks trying to get to DR level B. My DR raises at the start of the week then I’m back to where I started at the end.
    I’ll keep trying for now, but I can see that I will get fed up eventually if it doesn’t work and then just stop playing altogether.
     
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    Ah 'GT Sport Moderators', if only :rolleyes:
    As mentioned you have to decide wether your going to defend or let them through, considering once they are nudging you they've already decided that you should get out of their way along with the likelyhood that you will receive a penalty and abuse for going 'slower' - I blame Grand Theft Auto V.
     
  9. Famine

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    Nope.

    You can try using the Report function after the race (pick the user's name from the results page, select "Report" and pick "Interfering with race"), but whether that actually does anything or not...
     
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  10. barak181

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    Driving the dailies at the beginning of the week can be a little better for the reasons you describe, so your idea isn't a bad one. You may also want to think about driving the FIAs. They also tend to be a bit less bangy than the dailies, as it seems that most people who take the time to practice for and race in them tend to take things a little more seriously.
     
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  11. Edd1982

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    Yes. I’ve noticed this. The behaviour seems to be better in the FIA’s. If you practice a lot before you enter the race you can get away from those that haven’t. They don’t have all week to learn it. I noticed that you now cannot watch the videos for the top 10 and learn from that. Things are going to get very tricky. I’m just glad that I watched a few videos when you could. Learnt to use as high a gear as possible to avoid too much torque on corner exit causing issues with oversteer or understeer.

    I took part in the FIA manufacturer series at Fuji. Lots of practice beforehand. Best lap time in practice only two tenths off the best of the race. My race was ruined by someone dive bombing.
    They shunted me around in the first hairpin. I cannot remember what happened after that other than they used the same tactic without any contact in the last hairpin.
    I saw them dash up the inside so I held off, only to run wide on exit onto the AstroTurf. Span out to last position. Made one position up but I’m nearly back in D territory. I just can’t get any luck.
    I’m so fast at Lago Maggiore east. I’m 1.8 seconds off the top 10. I don’t know if it’s even worth attempting that race now. I could only compete in one race tonight. Took my daughter to the skatepark now I’m going to have a little drink before bed.
    Not going to waste anymore of my bloody time playing GT Sport tonight. Bad luck. Dive bombers every race ruining this drivers progression!

    Playing Lego Jurassic park with the kid now having some cider waiting for the wife to get back from work. At least there’s no dive bombers here.
     
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  12. John G

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    No one is going to do anything whilst the penalty system rewards the guy behind having a go.
     
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  13. Edd1982

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    There’s a massive difference between nudging or a slight tap and driving into/pushing another car until they spin or slow down/change direction. I came back down a position and there was very brief contact but no back end of a car was constantly pushed against. No one was sent into a slide or spin. The other driver was left in a position where they could easily have overtaken me at the next corner had the opportunity been there.
     
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  14. JayRS200

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    If you're floating around D and unhappy about it maybe GTS sport mode really isn't for you.

    It's the same old posts again.

    Get gud or gtfo, or be happy with your lack of skill.
     
  15. timekiller001

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    I'm sorry, but that is what racing is. When you defend, you lose time. When you leave the door open, you leave a gap for your opponent to go into. And once he's on the inside, you have to leave the space for him. Yes, there are some extreme versions that are indeed dirty, but what you described is just racing.
    I just had the same situation yesterday at the FIA race in Fuji. Car in front of me went wide to have a better exit. Before the braking point I went to the inside, mainly only to cover different braking points. As he went a bit wide, I went to the inside line only to get slammed by him into my left side. For the car behind it's very difficult to see the difference between leaving the door open and just going a bit wide for a better exit. And then it's the task of the car in front to know where the other car is and to leave the space if necessary.
     
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  16. Edd1982

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    There will always be contact and occasionally it is heavy, unintentional, sending car/s off. But some people don’t let off their accelerators or dab their brakes on when two cars come together. Instead they carry on pushing until the car in front is sideways or has spun.
    This is now happening almost every race. It wasn’t as bad until the past two weeks. I’m just really unlucky at the moment. It is only the minority of racers driving like that.
    I check my rear view just before going into a corner, then I check my radar. After that, if no cars are alongside me, my eyes are on the apex and corner exit. If a car isn’t level alongside me, but slightly behind me then it’s their responsibility to avoid contact when I turn into that corner.
    A move pulled off by Ayrton Senna in F1 years ago was frowned upon. He went charging into a gap that wasn’t there and ended his and his opponents race.
    I was told by a kart racer years ago. Don’t keep looking over your shoulder and weaving to the side for karts behind you. I’d done that and pulled in front of him. He said just look ahead and alongside. It’s the responsibility of the racers behind you to get around you safely. You follow the racing line, they must find a way around you.
    I have had the door closed on me going into corners a massive amount of time’s over the years on GT and racing karts. Most of the time I will brake to minimise contact. If I do end up side by side another car I stay as far to my side of the circuit as I can. Often we are then fighting down the straight ready for the next corner. That’s how it is done.

    If you put me off the circuit in real life the way people do in this game after making repeated contact with me throughout the race, my fist would repeatedly make contact with your face.
    I am perfectly good thank you within 2 seconds of the top 10 at Lago Maggiore practice for Tuesdays race. Unfortunately dive bombers ruin a lot of people’s races making it seem like that person isn’t very good when they are just very unlucky.
    Ill just wait for my luck to change and change what days I race on. I’m by far not the only person to raise the issue on here. If you watch the live shows such as the competition at Australia the other day, the top drivers don’t repeatedly send each other off. If someone makes an error others reap the benefits from it.

    I’m a veteran online racer. I used to participate in the very first online races on GT5. Mostly the shuffle races. Every car was so evenly matched. I had some epic battles. Anyone who repeatedly rammed others off the circuit got kicked out of the lobby. There was some very close racing. Little contact. You would be racing the same person for multiple laps and it was only when one of you went slightly wide, ie missing the racing line and turning back towards the inside, after the apex, would you gain a position. The racing has turned into an absolute shower of you know what.
     
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