dustinyour so retarded neons are dohc as well
karit seems that you are the retarded one. neons are SOHC.
VIPFREAKYou're all retards
RO_JAWell the SRT-4 isn't a neon. That's why.
RO_JANope. If it were, it'd be a trim option like the SXT and ES trim. Instead it's a whole seperate car. Even though it's strikingly similar to the Neon.Just like Mazda did (or was thinking) about dropping the Miata name.
I've flogged the living daylights out of my 1995 Neon ACR since the day I bought it in 1999. The previous owner used it as a daily driver, track day car, and autocrosser. I've driven it hard every day, and autocrossed it occasionally to boot.VIPFREAKI'd really just be worried about the thing falling appart on me.
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In a total of 190,000 hard miles, here is the list of things I've had to repair or replace on both of my Neons put together:VIPFREAKLike I said before... it may not be the engine or drivetrain that goes but there are lots of other little things that can too.
Ghost CA trim option, you mean...Like this?
Although I really don't see why it isn't a whole other car, the Neon and the SRT-4 look nothing alike.
Duke...You really shouldn't believe everything your JDM-fanatic friends tell you. They're probably just PO'd because a Neon tore their Civic a new one at the Stoplight Nationals.
Ghost CHey, keep in mind I never said anything about the regular Neon. They're great little auto-x cars. SRT-4 owners suffer from SCOS - Sport Compact Owner Syndrome. Basically, in proportion to how much horsepower the car actually has, there is the added Sport-Compacts-Are-In-Right-Now variable, which makes the owner think the car is actually faster than it is. A Civic can beat on Mustangs. An SRT-4 can beat on Cobras. Obviously this is true, because sport compacts are in right now, and they wouldn't be unless they could beat on real sports cars.
Build quality is a whole other issue. SRT-4's may be built better than my DeVille (doubt it), but I'll never know because I'd never drive one. They're brightly colored, tarted up economy cars that have terrible traction problems. I just think that people should stop praising the SRT-4 as if Jesus himself built the car, and I think magazines should stop lying to people about it's performance (Ahem, C&D) because I'm going to end up running over the next SRT-4 owner who talks about how great his car is and how it can beat any car ever, and then refusing to race. I will use temporary insanity as a defense and sue the mags for making it happen, and I will win because this is the US and people can sue McDonald's for spilling hot coffee on themselves and get $3,000,000. [/end rant]
I hate Civics too. If someone makes a funny video about Civics, I'll post it up too.
TwinTurboJayWhy do you doubt the test equipment of Car & Driver ? It rivals most manufacturers equipement. They are not owned by the manufacturer either, so why would they fudge test results ? They are an editorial based magazine, will spit and rave about cars they hate, but will give kudos to cars that deserve it ( albeit in their own opinion ) ...
RO_JAFather floored it in pouring rain and had little to no traction problems
You need to stop critizing this car just because you don't own it or just don't plain like it.
Ghost CWell, they tested a 230hp FWD car as going almost as fast from 0-60 as the Mk. IV Supra Turbo (5.5s), faster than the FD RX-7 (5.9s), and exactly as fast as the 3000GT VR-4 (5.6s). Gee, why don't I believe that. All of these cars have a significantly better power to weight ratio, with the RX-7 being lighter and having more power, and the advantage of RWD.
What, in third gear at 40mph? I can floor it in my car in the pouring rain and not have traction problems too, if I'm moving already. I have more torque, and my transmission automatically downshifts. What's your point here? That's not any sort of test - They have traction problems, proven fact. Read the SRT-4 owner's website.
Uh...No? I criticize the car because it's overrated. Maybe you need to stop defending it because you own one or you like it!![]()
For one, Mark IV Supra's were absolutely notorius for wheelspin, because the had 325 lb. ft. of torque. For the 3000GT, I can understand how 1000lbs extra weight wouldn't effect acceleration at all.Ghost CWell, they tested a 230hp FWD car as going almost as fast from 0-60 as the Mk. IV Supra Turbo (5.5s), faster than the FD RX-7 (5.9s), and exactly as fast as the 3000GT VR-4 (5.6s). Gee, why don't I believe that. All of these cars have a significantly better power to weight ratio, with the RX-7 being lighter and having more power, and the advantage of RWD.
Many torquey cars have traction problems. It's a fact. A simple one too.Ghost CWhat, in third gear at 40mph? I can floor it in my car in the pouring rain and not have traction problems too, if I'm moving already. I have more torque, and my transmission automatically downshifts. What's your point here? That's not any sort of test - They have traction problems, proven fact. Read the SRT-4 owner's website.
I'm sure someone who actually owns the car would haver a better opinion of how well it drives, because they, you know, own it.Ghost CUh...No? I criticize the car because it's overrated. Maybe you need to stop defending it because you own one or you like it!![]()
DukeYou really shouldn't believe everything your JDM-fanatic friends tell you.
TwinTurboJayyou bring up a 3800 lbs. car and talk about srt-4 having worse power to weight ratio? Also, the 3000 gt only had 215 ft lbs of torque... the other thing is gearing...the srt-4 wasn't meant to be a highspeed kind, is was geared to take off like a bat out hell!
ToronadoFor one, Mark IV Supra's were absolutely notorius for wheelspin, because the had 325 lb. ft. of torque. For the 3000GT, I can understand how 1000lbs extra weight wouldn't effect acceleration at all.![]()
And the advantage of rear-wheel drive is not in acceleration, it's in handling. Front wheel drive cars have better weight distribution than rear-wheel drivers for acceleration. Why do you think old Porsche 911's were so fast before 4WD?
Many torquey cars have traction problems. It's a fact. A simple one too.
I'm sure someone who actually owns the car would haver a better opinion of how well it drives, because they, you know, own it.
No. I'm just saying that one of the reasons that the Toyota Supra's acceleration times may be low is due to wheelspin. Their 1/4 of a mile times are better in this respect: 13.1 seconds for the Supra @ 106 vs. 13.9 sec @ 103 mph for the Neon. That being said, I've seen Supra 0-60 times of 4.6s. As such, the 3000GT's weight betrayed it. 0-60 did come in 4.8 due to it;s 4WD, but it's 1/4 times were considerably slower: 1/4 mile in 13.6 seconds @ 100.5. These are all according to Motor Trend.Ghost CSo you're saying SRT-4's aren't known for wheelspin?
Not if the FWD car has a hard rear suspension.Ghost CYeah, FWD's take off way harder than RWD's, especially because under hard acceleration, the weight shifts to the drive wheels for better traction...Wait.
If your car is FWD, you just explained why your point wasn't valid right there.Ghost CMy car has more torque than the SRT-4, a softer rear suspension, and I don't have traction problems. The SRT-4 has traction problems because it sucks.
Okay, I misundertood your reply.Ghost CWhich is exactly why someone who owns the car should argue with me. Not someone who sits in the passenger seat while their parents drive.
Ghost CWhat, in third gear at 40mph? I can floor it in my car in the pouring rain and not have traction problems too, if I'm moving already. I have more torque, and my transmission automatically downshifts. What's your point here? That's not any sort of test - They have traction problems, proven fact. Read the SRT-4 owner's website.
ToronadoNot if the FWD car has a hard rear suspension.
If your car is FWD, you just explained why your point wasn't valid right there.
RO_JAAre you stupid? No first gear at a dead stop.
It doesn't matter. Because the weight is over the driving wheels, a rather stiff rear end would suffice enough to prevent wheelspin in most cases. Especially in adverse conditions.Ghost CThe rear suspension would have to be unmoveable in order to stop rearward weight transfer under acceleration. It happens - RWD has the advantage almost everywhere except for possibly high speed stability, which is still questionable.
I'm sorry, I didn't elaborate. A soft rear end implies a soft front end (and this usually rings true), which diminishes the effect of weight transfer, because more of the weight is normally sitting on the front than would be the case with a hard front end. This would diminish the amount of weight transfer towards the rear (or, more precisely, it's effects) as the front of the car was sitting squat to begin with. A soft suspension also limits amounts of wheelspin in itslef. You also forget that while torque is the main force behind acceleration, BHP also has an effect on wheelspin. I assume whatever car you own is FWD with a turbocharged motor of some sort, so while it probably has torque, it may not be tuned for BHP (though, not knowing what your car is, I don't really know). Your car also likely weighs more than the SRT-4, which also has effects on wheelspin.Ghost CA soft rear suspension in a FWD means that even more weight transfers to the rear, meaning I should have even less traction.
ToronadoI'm sorry, I didn't elaborate. A soft rear end implies a soft front end (and this usually rings true), which diminishes the effect of weight transfer, because more of the weight is normally sitting on the front than would be the case with a hard front end. This would diminish the amount of weight transfer towards the rear (or, more precisely, it's effects) as the front of the car was sitting squat to begin with. A soft suspension also limits amounts of wheelspin in itslef.
You also forget that while torque is the main force behind acceleration, BHP also has an effect on wheelspin. I assume whatever car you own is FWD with a turbocharged motor of some sort, so while it probably has torque, it may not be tuned for BHP (though, not knowing what your car is, I don't really know). Your car also likely weighs more than the SRT-4, which also has effects on wheelspin.