stage 3 turbo wrecks engines?

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Well boys and girls i have two cars in particular a RUF CTR2 and a TOYOTA WOODONE Supra running stage 3 turbos (amongst many others). These two cars are my babies and have been run hard to the breaking point in the pursuit of fast times.

I have not crashed either of them ever, yet both need engine rebuilds. I have not raced them for more then ten races each however. I was wondering given that gt5 does simulate real world driving if stage 3 turbos might be putting too much strain on the engines?

:nervous: Am I being crazy here?
 
Why do you think they 'need' engine rebuilds? Because the option is available?

You don't 'need' one, cars can do thousands of miles before they 'need' one, if it even really does anything at all.
 
Chronoslol
Why do you think they 'need' engine rebuilds? Because the option is available?

You don't 'need' one, cars can do thousands of miles before they 'need' one, if it even really does anything at all.
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I lol'ed at your comment, engine restore does something, when your car start to loose power (can see its rating in your garage or when tuning it), you can do an engine restore and it will regain its lost HP
 
MasterFocus
I lol'ed at your comment, engine restore does something, when your car start to loose power (can see its rating in your garage or when tuning it), you can do an engine restore and it will regain its lost HP
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I've never had it restore more power than an oil change does.
 
youre putting racing miles on the engines
.... it wears on them. they deteriorate. the engine rebuild becomes available as soon as deterioration has started, but isnt indicative of severe engine damage or enough to waste money rebuilding over.

the stages of engine builds dont add discernable wear that I've noted, however stock roadgoing cars do fatigue more quickly than fully modded cars, and race cars/RM cars last longest before showing actual chassis/engine fatigue.
 
Chronoslol
I've never had it restore more power than an oil change does.
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I don't know what cars you're using, but in my experience on cars purchased from the used lot or cars with high mileage that is definitely not true. Why would they put it in the game if it made no difference? It's not like the game is scamming you for real money, no one's selling you snake oil in GT5 land...
 
Bitterman
Why would they put it in the game if it made no difference? It's not like the game is scamming you for real money, no one's selling you snake oil in GT5 land...
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Now don't get me wrong here, I love the series to death and would be disappointed if they removed it...but I need to bring to your attention the CAR WASH.
 
TakeshiSkunk
Now don't get me wrong here, I love the series to death and would be disappointed if they removed it...but I need to bring to your attention the CAR WASH.
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dirt now collects on cars over time.
 
ruf_ctr2
dirt now collects on cars over time.
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I've done a ton of rallies and have never seen the dirt stay on the car after the race ends. It definitely does get all over during the races, though.
 
engine overhaul for a pagani zonda r is 780 000 credits! O.o
but i never had an engine overhaul... i dont really feel the lost in power is that great... as long as the still feels tight i aint over hauling or restoring chasis rigidity... XD
 
see my complaint here is not that over time and hard use i need to rebuild the engines that is fine with me. Its after 7 races i need to put half a million back into the woodone supra. I need more than 7 races before i lose 80 horsepower.
 
AApex86
I have yet to see this happen.
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I haven't washed my Mazda roadster in over 1k miles, it's running level 26 b-spec endurance race and it's dirty as hell.
 
I have the zonda tweaked with the stage 3 and any other mods I could put on it, noticed after awhile that when decellerating(slowing down) the car would back fire and spit fire. Would this be an indication of needing a re-build or is this normal.ps. wish i had spell check.
 
Shane136
I haven't washed my Mazda roadster in over 1k miles, it's running level 26 b-spec endurance race and it's dirty as hell.
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But when you go into the car wash, is the car still dirty before selecting yes for car wash?


/my kids LOVE the car wash feature btw LOL
//oh, and purchasing the 70 chevelle from the lot, oil change gave it 40 or so, and engine rebuild after that gave me like 60 iirc.
 
tiwiliger
I have the zonda tweaked with the stage 3 and any other mods I could put on it, noticed after awhile that when decellerating(slowing down) the car would back fire and spit fire. Would this be an indication of needing a re-build or is this normal.ps. wish i had spell check.
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what zonda? zonda R? if yes then its normal... when i got it new it was spitting fire... when i tuned it with a stage 3 turbo, the engine sounded different but still spitting fire and when i needed a overhaul it was still spitting fire... XD
 
Shane136
I haven't washed my Mazda roadster in over 1k miles, it's running level 26 b-spec endurance race and it's dirty as hell.
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And after an endurance race my fgt has spoldges of dirt everywhere.
 
Shane136
I haven't washed my Mazda roadster in over 1k miles, it's running level 26 b-spec endurance race and it's dirty as hell.
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Squibis
But when you go into the car wash, is the car still dirty before selecting yes for car wash?
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The cars get dirty in the individual races, but they aren't dirty when you start a race or before doing a car wash. The feature is completely pointless and always has been.
 
Chronoslol
I've never had it restore more power than an oil change does.
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This is all I ever do. Ill run 15 races of 5 laps at indy and my GT LM will go from 810hp to 775. i go do an oil change, and bam...back to 810
 
mulholland
youre putting racing miles on the engines
.... it wears on them. they deteriorate. the engine rebuild becomes available as soon as deterioration has started, but isnt indicative of severe engine damage or enough to waste money rebuilding over.

the stages of engine builds dont add discernable wear that I've noted, however stock roadgoing cars do fatigue more quickly than fully modded cars, and race cars/RM cars last longest before showing actual chassis/engine fatigue.
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2nding this post because if you think about it in a real life situation, when you run your car at high RPMs it's going to cause piston wear so basically when you do an engine overhaul you're basically just putting on new rings to add compression and fine tuning the engine
 
As alluded to in previous posts; your engine is either in perfect brand-new condition... or it isn't.

When it isn't you get the option to overhaul the engine. Sadly there's no way for us to see exactly how badly the engine needs overhauling!

Will an engine overhaul improve the performance? Sure it will - if you're being offered the option then there's something to repair. The difficulty is knowing if that overhaul will yield a 50% performance increase or a 0.005% performance increase!
 
Ok after testing a used car with about 100k kms on it, the engine overhaul DOES do something. But I have cars that have had their power stable for well over 1000kms, so its clear you dont need an engine overhaul for many thousands of kms.
 
TakeshiSkunk
Now don't get me wrong here, I love the series to death and would be disappointed if they removed it...but I need to bring to your attention the CAR WASH.
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The car wash does have an effect on speed. I was doing the grind at Indy with my RM Z1R and I was starting to notice my top speed was off a few miles per hour and my lap times were down about a half a second.

Just out of curosity I went and washed the car, no other changes and went back to Indy and my speeds and lap times went back up to the original levels.

I think that although this is a small addition to the game I think it is a really good thing as far as keeping your car up to top tier performance by using maintenence. A clean well waxed car slips through the air better than a dirty one with less drag so this little addition just adds to the detail as a car owner you need to make sure your car performs as it should.

I hope that besides hp your engines longevity is increased with frequent oil changes, just makes things more realistic.

I now out of habit change the oil and wash the car after each race, maybe it is a waste but at least I know I am doing everything I can do to keep my cars in good shape to race.
 
My cars definitely show dirt & dust on them in the garage. Perhaps it's just premium cars though? I'll pay more attention to this in my next play session.
 
dougdoberman
My cars definitely show dirt & dust on them in the garage. Perhaps it's just premium cars though? I'll pay more attention to this in my next play session.
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Please take a picture next time as I haven't seen this on any premium cars. I'd like to be proven wrong though as I really hope that the car wash isn't a completely useless feature.
 
Its like that guy at the Jiffy Lube.. "You need your air filter, A/C, brake lines, coffee mug holder and flux capacitor fixed..."

But do you ever buy them?
 
tiwiliger
I have the zonda tweaked with the stage 3 and any other mods I could put on it, noticed after awhile that when decellerating(slowing down) the car would back fire and spit fire. Would this be an indication of needing a re-build or is this normal.ps. wish i had spell check.
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This is simply the turbo 'exhailing'
when you let off of the throttle, it lets the air out of the turbo. In the case of the zonda, the power isnt enough to turn the gases into a BOOM, like on the minolta race car, so it comes out in flames.
 
machate-man
This is simply the turbo 'exhailing'
when you let off of the throttle, it lets the air out of the turbo. In the case of the zonda, the power isnt enough to turn the gases into a BOOM, like on the minolta race car, so it comes out in flames.
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....more like its unburnt fuel from the sudden rich condition of snaping the throttle closed from wide open throttle, blasting fuel rich air through a superheated exhaust.

Good try at guessing though. Too bad naturally aspirated cars do it too. Ypu're thinking of a blow off valve, which exhales cold side charged air on WOT to closed throttle transition. nothing to do with the exhaust.

anyways, my explanation stands, and remains true. determining whether a rebuild is needed and justifiable is up the the individual, but usually not needed unless youve been endurance racing like a mofo
 
I have rebuilt my FGT engine once (aside from the rebuild when I first bought it). Its bhp when it is healthy is something like 934. I rebuilt it when it got under 850 after an oil change...Bobs have it down to 880s now, but they have almost won me the Red Bull, so I'll be more or less done until I want to try the FGT race, and I'll rebuild it again for that.
 
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