Starting GT5 afresh.

[heingericke]

Last Christmas I bought a Logitech G27 and kept saying to myself I should start a new game just to get the most out of my wheel, I'd progressed too far with a joypad. Well, last night I took the plunge and opened another PSN account and had a couple of races.
I decided a while back when I do this I'm gonna keep the cars stock so they remain as pure to the RL as possible, I'm only allowing myself an oil change, no tyre change or mods in anyway. I've been driving with all aids off apart from ABS 1, but I'm not sure if even that should go. Also the brake balance is something that I'd normally tweak, but again, will that change the car too much from the RL car? Is this a bad idea?

 

[JDMKING13]

Last Christmas I bought a Logitech G27 and kept saying to myself I should start a new game just to get the most out of my wheel, I'd progressed too far with a joypad. Well, last night I took the plunge and opened another PSN account and had a couple of races.
I decided a while back when I do this I'm gonna keep the cars stock so they remain as pure to the RL as possible, I'm only allowing myself an oil change, no tyre change or mods in anyway. I've been driving with all aids off apart from ABS 1, but I'm not sure if even that should go. Also the brake balance is something that I'd normally tweak, but again, will that change the car too much from the RL car? Is this a bad idea?

Turn ABS off bro you will have a blast.

 

[heingericke]

I'm contemplating turning it off, but should I fiddle with the brake balance? Would I be moving away from how the stock car handles, feels? How realistic is the brake balance setup in gt5?

 

[Joao71]

I'm also doing this. Started from scratch with my G27. Now I stopped playing for a couple of days because I had to do some changes t home and I'm waiting for my Wheel Stand Pro.

I'm not a pro, I'm a casual player but I'm having a lot of fun

 

[f1webberfan]

LOL.
I'm in the same situation guys - G27 and thinking of starting the game anew in the same manner.

As for that -

I'm contemplating turning it off, but should I fiddle with the brake balance? Would I be moving away from how the stock car handles, feels? How realistic is the brake balance setup in gt5?

- even if you want to keep the car stock I don't see the point of not using the tools you already have. After all if you prefer oversteer instead of understeer why not playing with the car balance a bit, or on race cars - trying different wing combinations. After all not all drivers are the same. (Some say that even Bobs aren't hehe)
Just maybe don't apply turbos, etc. if you want to keep the car handling and power as it was implemented in the game.

I don't think the brake balance will generally change the "feeling" of the car. If a car has 600bhp and if it's a wild beast at the back (snappy) brake balance won't change it much. Maybe you will notice it on some "neutral" cars.

Good luck!

 

[seanneedscar]

Turn ABS off bro you will have a blast.

What a bunch of hype-y bullcrap.

Turning ABS off will cause your wheels to lock up when you hit the brakes.

SO you lower your brake balance (sensitivity) so they dont lock up

Congrats, you've now practically doubled your braking distance

please tell me how that is 'a blast'

 

[heingericke]

LOL.
I'm in the same situation guys - G27 and thinking of starting the game anew in the same manner.

As for that -- even if you want to keep the car stock I don't see the point of not using the tools you already have. After all if you prefer oversteer instead of understeer why not playing with the car balance a bit, or on race cars - trying different wing combinations. After all not all drivers are the same. (Some say that even Bobs aren't hehe)
Just maybe don't apply turbos, etc. if you want to keep the car handling and power as it was implemented in the game.

I don't think the brake balance will generally change the "feeling" of the car. If a car has 600bhp and if it's a wild beast at the back (snappy) brake balance won't change it much. Maybe you will notice it on some "neutral" cars.

Good luck!

Thanks for your feedback. I'm sure I will fiddle with the race cars as you would do if you were part of a team for real, but it's the regular street cars I'm concerned about. I'd really like the car, for eg. a focus ST or golf GTI or even an M5 to remain as when it came out the shop, if you know what I mean. In reality, if I did own those vehicles, I seriously doubt I'd fiddle with them in any way. I want it to be the same car you go to work in or to the dentist.

 

[Moontallico]

What a bunch of hype-y bullcrap.

Turning ABS off will cause your wheels to lock up when you hit the brakes.

SO you lower your brake balance (sensitivity) so they dont lock up

Congrats, you've now practically doubled your braking distance

please tell me how that is 'a blast'

It IS a blast.
Seriously, I did the Le Mans 24h with the Mazda 787B, with no ABS, brake balance set to 7 to the front and 3 to the rear, and I could brake without a problem, even at the same braking point of the AI, and the AI on that race brake late.
And I don't know if it's because of 787B's carbon brakes or not, but I could fully depress the brake at high speeds without the brakes locking, but of course, as the speeds decreased, I had to start modulating because then they would lock.
Anyway, it did make the car control much funnier and enjoyable. All that is needed is practice.

 

[f1webberfan]

In reality, if I did own those vehicles, I seriously doubt I'd fiddle with them in any way.

You sure about that?
Just don't touch the tuning shop then! 👍

 

[NCRthree]

I restarted on my GTP account a while back myself. Been doing the stock car thing too. Race wins only count if you don't make contact w/ AI and you have to stay within all track boundaries. All aids off except abs1 (guess I'll have to try it off).

It's a great way to get to know the car's personalities-warts and all. One of the hardest was the Vitz race at Suzuka! Try the Tuner Car Championship without using the Amuse GT1 Turbo if that car is in the field.

 

[OK8]

Driving without abs with the default brake balance of 5/5 is frustrating. It's a good idea to set it to a more realistic front heavy balance of 4/1 or 2/1. For race cars, higher values can be used because coming down from higher speed you can really stomp on the middle pedal before the wheels lock. Of course as you lose speed, you have to start moving that foot to not lock them when you're at lower speed.

 

[heingericke]

You sure about that?
Just don't touch the tuning shop then! 👍

Yeah, I really like cars as the manufacturer intended. I've never been into the whole slapping a turbo on a car thing in real life, perhaps if I was a little younger. As for doing this, it's just a personal challenge. I still have my other account to scratch that itch, my whore account as I like to call it.

 

[heingericke]

Driving without abs with the default brake balance of 5/5 is frustrating. It's a good idea to set it to a more realistic front heavy balance of 4/1 or 2/1. For race cars, higher values can be used because coming down from higher speed you can really stomp on the middle pedal before the wheels lock. Of course as you lose speed, you have to start moving that foot to not lock them when you're at lower speed.

Thanks, that's just what I was curious about. Is the 5/5 balance actually 50/50 balance of the brakes or is the car already set up as in real life with front bias and the 5/5 represents a reference point for when we make a change from its default? So for eg. a car in real life is already 6/3 and Polyphany Digital coded the car as such and when I adjust to in game 6/4 I'm really making it 7/2? I'm not sure if I've explained myself well enough, sorry.

 

[Ronald6]

@heingreke
PD's brake balance of 5/5 is not realistic. Just like how almost every car in the game comes stock with rear toe at 20. In order to set it to real life you would need to find the specs for that car.

 

[heingericke]

@heingreke
PD's brake balance of 5/5 is not realistic. Just like how almost every car in the game comes stock with rear toe at 20. In order to set it to real life you would need to find the specs for that car.

Thanks, just the answer I needed. I'll be looking into this. In order to avoid being overwhelmed, I'm going to buy cars as and when I need them and then adjust them accordingly after a bit of research. At present I only have 3 cars (toyota gt 86, toyota vitz, hommel berlinette) and a kart.

 

[Duck]

Last Christmas I bought a Logitech G27 and kept saying to myself I should start a new game just to get the most out of my wheel, I'd progressed too far with a joypad. Well, last night I took the plunge and opened another PSN account and had a couple of races.
I decided a while back when I do this I'm gonna keep the cars stock so they remain as pure to the RL as possible, I'm only allowing myself an oil change, no tyre change or mods in anyway. I've been driving with all aids off apart from ABS 1, but I'm not sure if even that should go. Also the brake balance is something that I'd normally tweak, but again, will that change the car too much from the RL car? Is this a bad idea?

I find my G27 pedals too sensitive to turn off ABS, even with everyday cars. If you like the taste of production cars, consider using only comfort medium on them, except for Ferrari and some exceptions (Civic R.... check stock tires on google), in comfort soft. My two cents

 

[Bluntified]

Most people don't seem to like no abs. I use abs most of the time BUT there are occasions where having it off has its benefits. I don't use it for any license tests, or special events (pretty much anything against time). I find you can get a faster turn by just tapping your break into the turn. I think most people find it very difficult or impossible to do because they're use to breaking in a straight line. The only time I feel you should be breaking in line is during a race, to not bump someone on a corner. When its against a clock, those rules don't apply (as there's no one to bump). If you can handle a bit of a slide, no abs is the way to go.

Using the G27, or any wheel with buttons on the wheel, have an advantage. You can set one of the buttons on the wheel to the RA Menu. This will bring up a menu that allows you to change the break characteristics as well as changing aids on the fly. This is useful if you find the breaks not working the way you like, you can just bring up the menu and change it. You need to set the directional buttons on the console shifter box to allow you to scroll through the menu and select. Can't remember what they're called exactly but its pretty clear in the G27 button mapping screen.

 

[heingericke]

What's the RA menu? I can change brake bias in game/race? Not with my PS3 at the moment.

 

[Bluntified]

Its actually called RA Function, its a menu that you can bring up while you're driving. It lets you change things like, TCS, ASM, ABS (sensitivity), and Break Bias Front and Back.

You can set the function/menu to any button, DS3 or Wheel. The RA Function will bring the menu up on-screen, I set this to a button on the wheel. You need to set buttons to scroll through and select things. Change the RA Adjust and RA Select to what ever buttons you like, I set the RA select to up and down on the D-Pad and the RA Adjust to left and right on the D-Pad.

All of these settings can be found in the G27 Button Configuration screen, in Option.

 

[heingericke]

Its actually called RA Function, its a menu that you can bring up while you're driving. It lets you change things like, TCS, ASM, ABS (sensitivity), and Break Bias Front and Back.

You can set the function/menu to any button, DS3 or Wheel. The RA Function will bring the menu up on-screen, I set this to a button on the wheel. You need to set buttons to scroll through and select things. Change the RA Adjust and RA Select to what ever buttons you like, I set the RA select to up and down on the D-Pad and the RA Adjust to left and right on the D-Pad.

All of these settings can be found in the G27 Button Configuration screen, in Option.

Thank you so much! I would have been oblivious to this feature if you hadn't mentioned it.
I noticed a YouTube video ages ago that demonstrated that, but I thought it a feature exclusive to the driving force gt and its red dial.
Anyway, it demonstrates to me they expect you to mess with the brake balance at the very least, if not anything else I imagine, or else it wouldn't be at you're finger tips. I thought the arcade cars were untouchable in this regard and never used them cause I couldn't tweak them.

 

[Bluntified]

Thank you so much! I would have been oblivious to this feature if you hadn't mentioned it.
I noticed a YouTube video ages ago that demonstrated that, but I thought it a feature exclusive to the driving force gt and its red dial.
Anyway, it demonstrates to me they expect you to mess with the brake balance at the very least, if not anything else I imagine, or else it wouldn't be at you're finger tips. I thought the arcade cars were untouchable in this regard and never used them cause I couldn't tweak them.

You can also use this for Special events. They don't allow you to tune the cars but you can tweak the breaks

 

[akiradlc]

What a bunch of hype-y bullcrap.

Turning ABS off will cause your wheels to lock up when you hit the brakes.

SO you lower your brake balance (sensitivity) so they dont lock up

Congrats, you've now practically doubled your braking distance

please tell me how that is 'a blast'

So, you're the heavy foot type...

@heingericke
Do as JDMKING13 said, do some laps with ABS off, with time and patience you'll learn how to effectively brake the car without locking the wheels.
It WILL take time, and you can NOT just step in the pedal and maintain the same pressure expecting the car to keep braking with the same power and efficacy.
Start with small cars, let's say 400~420pp.
You'll have to 'modulate' the brakes, start heavy on the pedal (80%), then release it gradually (50%), then if you have the need at the very beginning of the curve entrance step a little harder on it again to adjust the speed.
The key is to get used to your pedals threshold, keep the HUD of the game on screen so you can see the bars of braking a acceleration until you get used to how much it is really being sent to the game.

Even professional race drivers lock the wheels sometimes, hell, Senna did it a lot in his fiercest battles for positions and time attacks, so the key is not to give up, and keep practicing.

And force feedback helps a lot, fine tune it on the menu too as it is important to 'feel' the cars reactions.

Sorry if i told you something you already knew =P

 

[JDMKING13]

So, you're the heavy foot type...

@heingericke
Do as JDMKING13 said, do some laps with ABS off, with time and patience you'll learn how to effectively brake the car without locking the wheels.
It WILL take time, and you can NOT just step in the pedal and maintain the same pressure expecting the car to keep braking with the same power and efficacy.
Start with small cars, let's say 400~420pp.
You'll have to 'modulate' the brakes, start heavy on the pedal (80%), then release it gradually (50%), then if you have the need at the very beginning of the curve entrance step a little harder on it again to adjust the speed.
The key is to get used to your pedals threshold, keep the HUD of the game on screen so you can see the bars of braking a acceleration until you get used to how much it is really being sent to the game.

Even professional race drivers lock the wheels sometimes, hell, Senna did it a lot in his fiercest battles for positions and time attacks, so the key is not to give up, and keep practicing.

And force feedback helps a lot, fine tune it on the menu too as it is important to 'feel' the cars reactions.

Sorry if i told you something you already knew =P

Dude don't even waste your time. ABS off with the right brake balance simulates how real braking should be minus the wheel lock. Let him think what he want to think.

 

[evertV12]

If you are used to tune your suspension to the lowest setting, then using ABS 0 will cause most likely to a spinout when breaking hard. It means your car is too heavy to have such soft springs accompanied with no room for body movement. So when making the ABS 0 work nice on all cars you have to adjust ride height and spring rate so your car wont bottom out in tight breakings. Lighter cars dont have the issue.
I also started Gt life again from scratch but this time no grinding just collecting what i get from online races

 

[OK8]

Thanks, that's just what I was curious about. Is the 5/5 balance actually 50/50 balance of the brakes or is the car already set up as in real life with front bias and the 5/5 represents a reference point for when we make a change from its default? So for eg. a car in real life is already 6/3 and Polyphany Digital coded the car as such and when I adjust to in game 6/4 I'm really making it 7/2? I'm not sure if I've explained myself well enough, sorry.

There has been some really frustrating debates about wether 5/5 is really 50/50 or just the default value for each car, but I think it must be 50/50 considering how the rears lock so easily. No real car would come out of the factory with a brake balance like that.

For road cars I use 4/1 most of the time. With faster cars with more aero and/or racing tyres you can go higher to 5/2 or 6/3 even. It's a matter of getting used to it.

 

[JDMKING13]

There has been some really frustrating debates about wether 5/5 is really 50/50 or just the default value for each car, but I think it must be 50/50 considering how the rears lock so easily. No real car would come out of the factory with a brake balance like that.

For road cars I use 4/1 most of the time. With faster cars with more aero and/or racing tyres you can go higher to 5/2 or 6/3 even. It's a matter of getting used to it.

I actually use all different type of brake ratios depending on the car and its brakes Old cars and cars with weak brakes get 1/0 cars such as RX-8 S2000 mid sports cars get 2/0 Evos, 350z, and more powerful mid sports cars get 3/1 and GTR ZR-1 458 super cars get 4/2. Race cars are allowed to have different ratios depending on the car. This allows me to run my league with the ability to upgrade your brakes. It is set in stone that all stock S2000 have a 2/0 brake balance. When you buy bigger brakes in my league depending on the brakes you can adjust the brake balance. So while two owners my have a stock S2000 there brakes can be different. (2/0) 3/1) Also as you upgrade your tires you will feel the need to upgrade your brakes in my league. Dude I need your driving skills so you can set times in specific cars for people in my league to obtain licenses, cars, income,etc. Please let me know if we can get together online.

If you are used to tune your suspension to the lowest setting, then using ABS 0 will cause most likely to a spinout when breaking hard. It means your car is too heavy to have such soft springs accompanied with no room for body movement. So when making the ABS 0 work nice on all cars you have to adjust ride height and spring rate so your car wont bottom out in tight breakings. Lighter cars dont have the issue.
I also started Gt life again from scratch but this time no grinding just collecting what i get from online races

I don't adjust my car suspension when driving stock cars and I have no problems.