Steering wheels shift faster than the controller. This is fact.

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Tested with the DFPRO and the G25.

The g25 ultimately shifts even faster if you activate the clutch. Human error though can be detrimental. I've noticed that shifting with sequential or gated shifter is providing to be a few hundreds of seconds faster. It really does add up.


With the controller when you shft you get... (Imagine the audio sound)

"VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...[redline]" <Hit shift button> [rpm's drop, gear catches then] "ahhhVROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM"

With Steering wheels you get:

"VROOOOOOOOOOM....[redline]" <Hit shift button> "ahhhVROOOOOOOOOOM"

This is generally true if you have a good clutch foot or just paddle shifting with a wheel. You aren't getting that drop THEN shift that you get with the control pad.

Now if there was a way to make control shifting as fast as the Wheel shifting, I think it would make it a bit more competitive. I mean this is all really fractions of seconds, but all of you know.. it adds up.
 
True or no, it falls in the same category as having 2 extra horsepower-only those pushing the car right to the limit will truly see lap times drop.

In a drag race or on an oval, absolutely.

Excellent observation either way, plus I like the sound effects!
 
superwally
True or no, it falls in the same category as having 2 extra horsepower-only those pushing the car right to the limit will truly see lap times drop.

In a drag race or on an oval, absolutely.

Excellent observation either way, plus I like the sound effects!
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Actually it can make a huge difference. I remember when in PGR3 someone found a way to 'glitch shift', basically a way of keeping the revs higher while shifting up. Glitch shifting alone could net about a tenth per shift if done right. I could enter a straight slide by side with another car and overtake it with glitching alone (note: this was not considered cheating by the top class of racers, it was just considered a kin to having a clutch ) Wether the same thing will apply here I dont know, but dont underestimate it.

BTW I noted the same thing in a thread here a while ago. I noticed the guy with the top time at suzuka using it for a very quick shift between 3-4 gears. However I race with a DFP and it does not do it. I assume its clutch related.
 
Hopefully in the full version we'll see shift speeds improve with transmission upgrades like in the past.

I remember in GT3, even the faster cars shifted sluggishly at first. A clutch and transmission upgrade later and the shifts were MUCH faster.
 
With the G25 you can be very fast with cars that come with traditional manual trannies. Although I love driving with my G25, and heel-toeing, I think PD needs to implement some sort of handicap. They need to do something about people who don't heel and toe when braking, even skipping gears sometimes. If you were to try this in real life you would get your teeth rattled big time, and depending on what type of tires you have, you can lock them up, and the ABS will be helpless to stop it. So perhaps PD can add this violent disorientation/vibration effect every time someone does this type of downshift.
 
Hey man, I agree with you that it shifts a lot faster. As well you can use HEAL and TOE technique when down shifting making your times even faster. :)



Only thing I disagree is this...

blademask
I've noticed that shifting with sequential or gated shifter is providing to be a few hundreds of seconds faster. It really does add up.
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few hundreds of seconds faster? WoW that will make then ENTIRE race :scared:


HAHA but I know you mean Milliseconds
 
i found a couple g25's and i'm picking one up tomorrow. ill test this fact after i've set it up and everything. i'm so sick and tired of playing with the control pad. it's so crappy and the car is so hard to handle. i saw a replay of a subaru that's probably being driven with the g25, as i can hear the shifting sounds like a well driven stick shift. and he was so much faster.
 
Try do a steering lock-to-lock comparison with the G25 and a controller and you will see, in fact, that comparisons like these are pointless.
 
I'm not trying to stir up any issues here.

I've just noticed it. I thought I was just in my head. Passing on the news to someone who might google and find this.
 
Rocket Punch
Try do a steering lock-to-lock comparison with the G25 and a controller and you will see, in fact, that comparisons like these are pointless.
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I wouldnt say that they are pointless.

Its simple:
If you can go only a few miliseconds faster with a special device (DFP, G25) than with a Pad, youre never gonna win any of the Time-Trials without this device.

The leaders in those Time-Trials manage to achieve Laptimes which are simply unbelievable and very very close to any laptime a human ever can do.

I learned that when I was trying to set a top time at FUJI 700 PP TT (using a pad btw).

I finished the event in 5th with a gap of 4/10 of a second to the leader and 1/10 of a second to the player in second place.

And let me tell you: I tried everything and drove several hundred laps there.

I really would like to see an Information on the leaderboard which tells me which device everyone uses.
 
Having seen videos and replays of cars with the G25 shift, it is evident that is indeed faster. However testing this with my new DFGT, it is definitely not as fast as the G25 is. Obviously it's due to the clutch, but i don't have a DFP to see if there's a difference.
 
Im personally not sure what is quicker but I far prefer my sim set up.
It certainly is smoother..
Seems I have been getting too carried away and broke it today so I will be repairing over the weekend
 
Yes, G25+Clutch shifts faster than DFP/PAD/G25 without clutch.

But in a straight line, that's it.

In some corners using paddle shifter is faster and easier, specially in tracks like London or Eiger with all those corners coming one after another, or the tricky first corner in Suzuka when using short gear ratio cars because you always have both hands in the wheel, keeping control of the car, downshifting while turning and mantaining car's balance at the same time by pressing one button without a sweat. (well, short gear ratio cars are always harder to drive with clutch enabled as you are constantly shifting/making mistakes), Also, laptimes are more consistent using paddles as you cannot miss-shift or make any other shifting related mistakes.

That said, I always drive using the clutch pedal on. Is funner that way.
 
In my experience, shifting definitely seems faster with G25 + Clutch compared to the DFP it replaced.

This isn't the main reason I use it though, I just find the clutch / H gate more fun, and the shifts sound so much better, I've always thought the shifting sounded poor on GT, because of how the revs just slowly drop then pick up again etc.

With the clutch, you can get the throttle down slightly before letting the clutch up, and you get that brilliant sound where the engine flicks up a bit to high revs before the next gear comes in.

I don't mean like blipping the throttle on downshifts, it's hard to describe, but let's just say, with an F430, it's a brilliant sound :)
 

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