Super-caddy in the pipeline

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Source: AutoCar

Next year Cadillac will produce a new car that “will be unlike anything the company has done before,” according to General Motors’ vice president Bob Lutz.

The new model, which is believed to be similar in size, if not concept, to the CTS saloon, has been “the subject of intense controversy inside GM,” said Lutz. “It has so many functional drawbacks, like lack of rear visibility, and these are the things that GM doesn’t believe in.”

Despite this, the car will be unveiled within 18 months. The daring design is part of an attempt by GM to change its corporate culture, and will coincide with the company’s 100th anniversary. “Part of the decline of GM over the past 30 years was because of a risk-averse culture,” said Lutz. “But we will take intelligent risks.”


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GM boss Lutz wouldn't commit to any more specifics on Cadillac's new model, but there's certainly no shortage of scope for speculation. Autocar's sources suggest that there's a new V12 engine in development for the car, and that narrows down the variables relating to its layout and purpose somewhat.

Engineers at GM’s Australian arm are currently working on a V12 made from two V6s joined together, and have built a test car on a Holden Commodore platform that will take a V12. The Commodore uses GM’s new rear-drive 'Zeta' platform that will be rolled out across the company.

That would suggest, therefore, that a new Cadillac flagship, a Mercedes CL-rivalling two-plus-two coupe, featuring the design cues of the Sixteen saloon concept which was shown in 2002, might be the most likely option.

Lutz's comments about functional drawbacks and high risk, however, leave one other possibility open; that Cadillac has now committed to a road-going version of the super-luxury, mid-engined Cien supercar concept that it produced in 2002.

Whichever is the case, it certainly seems likely that Cadillac has something very fast and exciting planned for 2008.
 
...They were talking about this not too long ago (posted in the Caddy thread by myself), and it seemed that they had three directions to go in.

1) Sixteen/ULS ultra-sedan to become the new flagship for the company. Figure $130K, big-ass V12, and you get the idea. Although they made it sound like it would use an enlarged Sigma II chassis, or a completely new one in general.

2) A production-ready Cien that would use the same big-ass V12. There have been rumors of a limited-production Corvette that was mid-engined, and this may just be a guess, but that MR 'Vette may be the Cien itself...

3) A DTS-replacement based on the Zeta chassis, larger than the Holden Caprice that it would be based upon. Given that they may be testing the V12 in a Commodore, that seems like a likely idea... However, its anyones guess if this DTS replacement would be the ULS, but not as extravagant as the Sixteen.

...Bets are that the V12 is two of the LY7 V6 engines strapped together good for about 600 BHP, probably matched to the 6L80E automatic, and the AWD system out of the Tahoe...
 
What is this CTS-sized car? Would it be a coupe? They already have the CTS, and I don't see any reason to enter another car into that segment. 18 months also seems to be a quick time to put a car together, but I could be underestimating GM, or they could be basing it on another car.

Would I rather them go luxury or sporty? I don't really care. Both the Cien and Sixteen sound pretty cool, as out of place in a US company they may seem:scared:. I think Cadillac need to establish themselves as another wanna-be BMW before they begin investing in all of these new models to compete with the Germans. Let's see a CTS that has the same refinement and capability as a BMW 3, or how about a decent sedan to compete with the 5-series and 7-series?
 
I would like to see a ultra luxury large Presidential/VIP limo, not a stretch (though it could be stretched later) but something similar in essence to what Cadillac made in the 1930's with the V12 and V16 models (and the Sixteen concept). I am not too fond of a mid mounted car like the Cien, not for Cadillac anyway.

Holden seem to have a lot on their plate these days.
 
Let's just hope Caddy actually benchmarks BMW this time instead of thinking they did. It would be nice for America to have a proper sports sedan, yes the CTS-V is cool and it is fast but it just doesn't seem right. I'd still rather have a BMW.
 
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