SuperGT PreSeason Race ***RESULTS***

[ABud]

GTMSA Presents
SuperGT Season 7

Pre Season Event
Trial Mountain; 25 lap Race
Deadline 11.59pm GMT Sunday 18th October​

Welcome to the pre season event for the 7th season of the SuperGT championship! As you can see there will be no sprint race for pre season, just straight in to the full race. This is the last chance to check your car selection for the up coming season; after this event final selections/ changes will need to be made. For this round feel free to discuss anything you like - fastest laps, tyre wear, pit stratagies etc.

And finally, good racing to all 👍

Results

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General Information and Regulations

All rules, regulations, car specifications, and races are controlled by SuperGT sanctioning body, GTMSA. Any and all questions should be directed to GTMSA officials (namely me ABud or oldmodelt) and officials will do their best to answer in a timely and accurate manner.

All drivers must run at the specified weights and horsepower settings provided by GTMSA for each round. Horsepower and/or weight settings are adjusted for competitive reasons each round based on finishing positions from previous rounds.

• Standard Online Racing Rules Apply.
• No Cheating, hybrids, etc. You must run the car specifications I give you
• Try keeping at least 2 wheels on course. Long races = small mishaps, but absolutely NO shortcuts
• No wall-riding as well. Combined with penalties, this will slow you down considerably, so don't do it.
• All decisions by GTMSA officials are final

Event Specific Information

The two yellow hatched off areas shown bellow are NOT part of the track. Having all 4 wheels in these areas constitutes a breach of the OLR rules. Its worth bearing in mind however that the AI will use these areas!

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Race

• Arcade Mode>>>Single Race>>>Original Circuits>>>Trial Mountain
• 25 Lap race
• Weight penalties in place
• RS, RM, RH tires or any combination thereof
• Strong Tyre Wear
• AI at +10
• AI tires RS
• Forced Pit Entry penalty system
• ASM is prohibited TCS is optional
• Points for race: 15-12-10-7-5-3-2-1
• 2 points for fastest lap
• 2 points for finishing within 103% of race winning time
• 1 point for finishing outside 103% of race winning time

Time sending format

PM me with the following data. Please make sure all details are correctly filled in and DONT MISS THE DEADLINE

User Name:
Class:
Car:
Number:
HP:
Weight:
Total Time:
Fastest Lap:
No. of Pits:


Good luck all,

Andy

 

[senamic]

Already on to it.

Hope to actually compete this season.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Wait, does this event count for points?

Anyway, I have chosen the RX-7 LM Race car '01 to be my car during the series. Same info as my original submission.

Also, if I may ask, what is are the conditions, specifications and tires used for the lap records?

 

[Kingofweasles]

Wait, does this event count for points?

Anyway, I have chosen the RX-7 LM Race car '01 to be my car during the series. Same info as my original submission.

Also, if I may ask, what is are the conditions, specifications and tires used for the lap records?

Hmm...Well, i don't think this race counts for points...But then again i'm not really sure. You should PM Abud for the skinny on how the races work and stuff.

I do know that the Lap Records are set during race conditions (They're the fastest single lap you set during you're race run) using any combination of Hard, Medium or Soft Racing Slicks.

As for me, well, i've chosen the Mazda RX-7 LM as my car for this year's championship, with the same information as before (Just without the "T" infront of the #19).

 

[ABud]

Actually some of the lap records have come from the sprint races (so would be on RM tyres), but most are from the races themselves. They've all come from SuperGT competitions in the past so car specs will be slightly different (not sure if we're now faster or slower). You'll notice as we get through the series that some of the tracks (like Seoul) don't currently have lap records as we haven't raced them before - at least not that I have the data for. They will however be updated as each race progresses.

This round itself doesn't count towards the championship, it's just a one off blast around TM for the glory of winning the preseason event .

I've updated the entry list with both of your car choices, looks like the RX-7s a popular car again!

 

[Kingofweasles]

Actually some of the lap records have come from the sprint races (so would be on RM tyres), but most are from the races themselves. They've all come from SuperGT competitions in the past so car specs will be slightly different (not sure if we're now faster or slower). You'll notice as we get through the series that some of the tracks (like Seoul) don't currently have lap records as we haven't raced them before - at least not that I have the data for. They will however be updated as each race progresses.

This round itself doesn't count towards the championship, it's just a one off blast around TM for the glory of winning the preseason event .

I've updated the entry list with both of your car choices, looks like the RX-7s a popular car again!

Ah, i see...Anyways, the Mazda may be a popular car, but at least we've got 15 other racers who AREN'T using one (Unlike last year, which became the RX-7 LM trophy benefit! )

 

[ABud]

I've just posted up some extra info about the yellow hatched areas specific to this track. Sorry if i've messed anyones runs up

 

[Austin343]

ABud, while it's most certainly your decision and you did the same last season, I really feel there's no reason to exclude the striped areas. If both the AI and the license test demonstration runs use them, then they are clearly "meant" to be used; also, standard OLR rules permit their use, including in Board Challenges and WRS races. Perhaps it will provide an extra, unusual challenge, but I think that what it will accomplish will be primarily frustration.

 

[ABud]

The reason for excluding the striped areas is to keep the lap records meaningfull, and also for me if they were ok to be raced on, why stripe them? They are also outside the white lines which in real racing denote the edge of the track (we aren't following that rule mind ).

I've done a few laps around here using RM tyres and as with last year my pace isn't great. So far the best lap i've managed is a 1'19.799. It will be interesting to see what strategies people use as it may be possible to 1 stop this race but that rules you out of the fastest lap...

 

[SagarisGTB]

This round itself doesn't count towards the championship, it's just a one off blast around TM for the glory of winning the preseason event .

Ok, I was just a bit confused with you putting up points scoring in the race summary. Cleared up now, thanks.

I've just posted up some extra info about the yellow hatched areas specific to this track. Sorry if i've messed anyones runs up

Ouch. Had put a primary run together doing the first five laps on softs and then switching to three stints on the medium compound. Though no big deal, I was hoping to go faster anyway. Have to get used to the two revised corners though.

Edit: Went with a 4 stopper on soft compound tires. Probably not the fastest way to get through this race but it was more enjoyable to drive. Tried the hard tires but could not get comfortable with them.

 

[oldmodelt]

It will be interesting to see what strategies people use as it may be possible to 1 stop this race but that rules you out of the fastest lap...

I'd be interested to see that also. Just finished my GT300 race and noticed that if you try to get that extra lap or two your tires seems to fall off, so to speak. At least with the MR-S. Those extra laps came with a noticable increase in times.

 

[senamic]

I concur. With the ASL, I found that a H/H/S, S/H/H, H/S/H, or M/M/M looked like the way to go. A H/H would be possible, but is unlikely to be competitive.

Of course, this testing was done going on the yellow lines, so it may all be wrong. Have to restart my run now

 

[Pitracer100]

I'd be interested to see that also. Just finished my GT300 race and noticed that if you try to get that extra lap or two your tires seems to fall off, so to speak. At least with the MR-S. Those extra laps came with a noticable increase in times.

Yeah, I tried a stint with M/M and it was competitve ,instead of the H/H or the combo H/M. I am never competitve with combo tires.

 

[Prince.M5]

I've just finished my very very long simulation and I'm still not getting the most of the tyres. Neither of them are working nicely. The most competitive on my Subaru is M/M but still not good enough to last quite long.

This track really demands your front tyres a lot so I need to figure out a good combo for this...

 

[WVUscion]

For my driving style, which I'm sure is quite a bit slower then many of yours I found the following:

For some reason the Dodge Viper in the field did not eat up tires like the other muscle cars in the field, it also was consistently faster then everyone else. I put down my best lap times by far with the RM/RM setup. For some reason RM's on both the front and back gave the Dome a better bite around the corners. I did a stint of RH/RM as well. They were competitive, but I found that the RH taking longer to heat up really unbalanced the car for a few laps and made it a handful.

I also have a question regarding this race. I am aware and have avoided the yellow areas, but I was wondering about the white lined area before the chicane which lies before the last straight. The computer took the car completely over the white line, and also hit the apexes on both curbs completely over the white lines as well. That, obviously, allowed the computer to go through that section at a much higher velocity then I possibly could. It also made my vehicle utterly uncompetitive for the race against the computer. Is following the computer there as well considered against the rules?

 

[Austin343]

The reason for excluding the striped areas is to keep the lap records meaningfull, and also for me if they were ok to be raced on, why stripe them? They are also outside the white lines which in real racing denote the edge of the track (we aren't following that rule mind ).

I've done a few laps around here using RM tyres and as with last year my pace isn't great. So far the best lap i've managed is a 1'19.799. It will be interesting to see what strategies people use as it may be possible to 1 stop this race but that rules you out of the fastest lap...

Thanks for the answer, and it does make a lot of sense. 👍

WVUscion, as far as I know, every paved area, except for the yellow parts, is allowable. You should note that it's always permissible to put two tires in off-limits areas, which include grass as well as the yellow sections. And you can put almost all of the car in those areas, as long as two tires are always touching the tarmac or rumble strips. You do raise a good point, though, about the concrete; OLR rules sometimes permit it (meaning two tires can be touching it with two in the grass) and sometimes disallow it (meaning two tires have to be at least on the rumble strip adjoining it). ABud should clarify that question because, as you noted, it makes a big difference in the speed possible in the chicane.

I, too, noticed that in a brief "sprint race" test I conducted here with both of my cars before this race was posted, front tires really suffer badly. Using RM on the front and the rear, the Zexel turned the fronts orange by the end of the final lap, which is astonishing given that they were barely more worn at the much longer and very tire-punishing Suzuka, where I also tested. I don't know which set will be fastest, given such a short lifespan for the tires here.

 

[Kingofweasles]

Hmm...Well, tire-wise i think the ASL could make the GT300 race on one stop running RH's all around, but i don't think that the time you save from that one less pit-stop would make you're overal time faster. As for My strategy? Ah, i dunno...I'm usually not one to release that kind of info...

Interesting that you should mention you're tire wear Austin: On the Mazda (And on most GT500 cars that i tested) i'm experiencing the same problem; The fronts wear out MUCH faster than the rears do and probably force you work an RH/Front RM/Rear set-up.

 

[ABud]

Just to clarify then, 2 wheels need to be on track at any one time. Track is defined as tarmac and rumble strips do count. The concrete areas behind some rumble strips don't count as track though (neither would the green areas at Sarthe, not that we're going there).

So to answer your question, yes you can straightline the final chicane as long as all four wheels don't end up on the grass. You can also take the wide line by going outside of the white lines in the approach to this corner (or any other for that matter).

Finally, in the full races don't beat yourself up if you make the odd slip and end up off the track. Just make sure you don't benefit from the off (release the throttle for a bit) and continue.

Hope this answers all the q's,

Andy

Ps. got a full GT300 race done, i'm quite pleased with it and i've broken the lap record (i'm sure others will too!)

 

[Prince.M5]

I've done my GT300 race and I'm very satisfied with it...

Finally, I think I've found a good tyre combo for the Subaru and it certainly look good!!! I used a RH/RM tyres and guess what, both lasted for nearly 15 laps and they both worked simultaneously and that really is a bonus for the rear tyres... Great race that was!!!

 

[Austin343]

I just spent an infuriating two hours with the Garaiya with nothing to show for it. First, I got a run with clean AI passes fairly quickly, but on lap 12, I mistook the gray part of the wall right before the pit entrance for the entrance itself , and drew a penalty for hitting the wall. Since I hadn't yet tested the other tire possibilities, I took the opportunity to exit the race and try with harder tires, but idiotically limiting myself to having a run with clean AI passes (so that I could actually finish a race that started well if the strategy turned out to be good), I spent close to an hour just restarting, mostly making AI contact, and then running straight off the track when I got a run free of it.

I finally gave up and returned to my original strategy and had a great race going, with several lap records and few mistakes, until I tried to pass the FTO at the chicane. I had learned in earlier runs that a clean pass of it there could be accomplished if any part of my car was alongside it at turn-in, but that was always on the first lap, when its tires were cold, so it braked much less in this case, and my insistence on avoiding it meant I flew over the hill and then into the wall on the other side. I thought I would just accept the penalty and move on, but on the final lap, I clipped a wall in the jagged section and got another penalty. At that point, I didn't bother to save the replay, knowing it wouldn't fare well next to others' times. Also, during the race, I had a killer lap going (probably three tenths better than my actual best lap), but the Alfa got in the way. The AI cars are really frustrating to pass here, as they go slowly, but take up the whole width of the track.

I was using medium tires on my "successful" runs. Hard tires would have only saved me one stop and sacrificed too much speed. And considering that the medium tires are only lasting six laps for me , soft tires would never work for a whole race.

 

[Prince.M5]

Owh yeah, during the race, I also lapped 2 cars and it was a Subaru Super Touring car and an Opel... So I think my pace is quite good though... And the second place car was something like 14.7 seconds back and it was a Mitsubishi FTO...

Here's my strategy...

Lap 01 - 12 = RH/RM
Lap 13 - 21 = RH/RM
Lap 22 - 25 = RS/RS...

So I pretty much did another 1 stop for a quick change for Softs so that I can do some quick laps but it's unncesessary... I can't seems to break the lap record though. It really was a waste of 15 seconds in a pit But I'm happy with my achivements!!

 

[oldmodelt]

Finally, I think I've found a good tyre combo for the Subaru and it certainly look good!!! I used a RH/RM tyres and guess what, both lasted for nearly 15 laps and they both worked simultaneously and that really is a bonus for the rear tyres... Great race that was!!!

That seems a lot considering when mine gave out and the lap times started to inflate. Maybe Viperin and GTsail290 could comment on their experience because they've chosen the same cars.

edit: Saw your recent post. Much more in line with mine.

 

[Prince.M5]

That seems a lot considering when mine gave out and the lap times started to inflate. Maybe Viperin and GTsail290 could comment on their experience because they've chosen the same cars.

edit: Saw your recent post. Much more in line with mine.

Yeah... Simply I lost my pace after 8 laps(lost around 1-2 seconds) but the tyre lasts for 15 laps... before that, the lap times are consistent... Yeah they could perhaps...

 

[ABud]

Nice driving to hang on to worn tyres for that amount of time! Austin343, if it makes you feel any better the MR-S is only giving me 6 laps with RMs as well. The race I ran was a 4 stop but if I get time I want to give the 3 stopper a go, it does however require the use of the RH tyres which I'm finding tough to be consistent with here.

Then there's GT500...

 

[viperin]

Please excuse me if this seems a dumb question but I am slightly confused.

You do not have to use your original starting tyre combo for the entire Race ?

So the strategy employed by KidraulhM5 ie RH to reduce pit stops then a RS sprint for best lap time is okay ?
That certainly opens up a few strategic options for me as I just assumed one set of tyres only.
I am struggling a bit to find time for this but I am hoping Friday and Saturday night will give me a window of opportunity.

Good luck all,

Later.

 

[ABud]

You can change your tyre compounds throughout the race.

 

[oldmodelt]

Submitted my times. Only problem (other than being slow) was the GT500 class. Restarted twice then on the third go around smooth sailing until lap 15 and a minor bump sent me to the pits. Not worth running a whole race again. One positive is the extra laps I'm getting on the GT300 compared to Abud. All that really fast racing is hard on the tires I guess.

 

[WVUscion]

These preseason results will really interest me. I'm only running the GT500 class, but the prelim times being posted by the GT300 class makes my times for GT500 look dreadful!

 

[Pitracer100]

Submitted my times. Only problem (other than being slow) .

Oldmodelt if I get the chance to race there (studying for school)
you might beat me because my laptimes aren't so hot . I
am thinking of my pit strategies for the race around Trial Mountain.
I already did half a race around Trial Mountain but the Hard
tires sacrifice to much time so next time I will go with the Medium Tires.

 

[ABud]

These preseason results will really interest me. I'm only running the GT500 class, but the prelim times being posted by the GT300 class makes my times for GT500 look dreadful!

You could always switch to GT300, the cars are quite a lot easier to drive. May be a gentler introduction to the pace of these competitions.

Andy