Suspension and tire consumption, what's the problem?

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Hi all,
I change a lot the settings for suspensions, reduced height and stiff springs to get my car very direct and precise, is the driving style that I prefer, but even if I'm able to do fast times in qualify, in the race the tires consumption is a lot more than other drivers, I very destroy tyres :guilty:. Where is the mistake?
 
Could be the tires you are using or your driving style.
 
surely the problem is more evident with the soft racing tires, but the consumption is always greater than the other drivers, for example in a 15 laps race in grand valley I made 4 tire changes, other drivers have made ​​only two
 
Throttle control. Slipping tyres = higher wear. When you're coming out of corners ease the power on gradually, especially in lower gears whilst driving high powered cars. Every time you spin the wheels and slide the car you're ruining the tyres. You need to be smooth and easier on your tires. Try short shifting up if you're really struggling on some of the tighter corners.
 
thanks, good reply, talking about a car and soft racing tyres, with reduced height and stiff springs, it is very stable and is difficult to slip in acceleration, driving in gt academy I learned that it is better to enter the curve slowly and then leave quickly, I'd say I do the opposite, use the brakes a lot, perhaps the final lap time is similar but the state of the tires is not.
 
What car are you using? Tuned or stock, weight, power etc etc.

Could you post your suspension and LSD settings please?

Geometry is key. Lowering camber and toe angles might help.

How does it wear the tyres? Rear tyres more than front? Left side more than right side?

Also, you should move this to the tuning section.
 
Yes, you really need to be smooth to be kind to your tyres. As well as visually looking for slip listen to the tyres. The more you hear them squealing again that's bad for them.

When you're driving a car with a lot of power the biggest killer is always on acceleration out of slow corners in a low gear so like I say, shift up. You might not accelerate away quite as quickly but you'll be much kinder on the tyres. So that usually means avoid 2nd and short shift to 3rd before putting the power down and even then only go full throttle once you're completely pointing straight and have full grip.
 
surely the problem is more evident with the soft racing tires, but the consumption is always greater than the other drivers, for example in a 15 laps race in grand valley I made 4 tire changes, other drivers have made ​​only two

Are you kidding me? I make two stops in the 60 lap enduro, 20 laps per stint. Are you listening to your tires? If they are screaming you are burning them up.
 
What car are you using? Tuned or stock, weight, power etc etc.

Could you post your suspension and LSD settings please?

Geometry is key. Lowering camber and toe angles might help.

How does it wear the tyres? Rear tyres more than front? Left side more than right side?

Also, you should move this to the tuning section.

about the example of Grand Valley, 15 laps, the race was mono-brand with lexus isf RM completely upgraded, soft racing tires, for the camber always use a value of 1.5 on the front, if the car is PP or AP 1.0 maximum for behind. I reduce rear default convergence usually to 10. The tires wear out more behind, with many cars 4x4 consumption is evident on the front, in wich use usually camber and convergence 0 for behind.
I usually reduce values for LSD.

Are you kidding me? I make two stops in the 60 lap enduro, 20 laps per stint. Are you listening to your tires? If they are screaming you are burning them up.

I envy you :crazy:
 
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Are you kidding me? I make two stops in the 60 lap enduro, 20 laps per stint. Are you listening to your tires? If they are screaming you are burning them up.

Come on... 20 laps on racing softs at Grand Valley? Are you driving the whole track at 35 mph?
 
:lol: Obviously someone is capable of this, I want to understand this secret 💡

smooth driving and throttle control. i don't know about 20 laps but i can do 15 on rs tires. try running some cars and use a sports hard or comfort soft tire. drive the car without slideing or spinning the tires, it will take time and patience
 
smooth driving and throttle control. i don't know about 20 laps but i can do 15 on rs tires. try running some cars and use a sports hard or comfort soft tire. drive the car without slideing or spinning the tires, it will take time and patience

I drove by trying many configurations of cars and tires, the sport tires have low consumption, especially sport hard-tyres , but I think there is a relationship between driving style and set-up of the car, to make the consumer less. One thing I noticed is that with the cockpit view I can consume less the tires, but usually I drive with the bumper view, so I think it is also a matter of understeer, as I love entering the turns very braked. In this way I easily do the best lap in qualify, but in the race I am punished by the pit-stop. Yesterday I did a clio-cup with the Spanish people, I starded second from the grid, on the seventh lap (I was first, very detached from the second)
the left rear tire was totally destroyed, I'm out of the race, others haven't changed the tires in twelve rounds.
 
I once did 60 laps on Daytona using racing softs on the Daihatsu Midget II.

:lol:

I think a better question here than "how" is...."why"? :odd:

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It sounds to me like you should try adjusting your driving style. Sounds like you are very aggressive on entry. Be smooth coming in and concentrate more on getting out of the corner without spinning the tires but as quickly as you can. Use partial throttle if needed rather than mashing the pedal or button. Stability is one of the keys to tire life and speed.

Also, dump your brake balance in the tank if you haven't yet. Lots of the guys I know that run online and with tire wear run 2/1, 2/0, etc. That should help you avoid wearing down the tires quite a bit, especially if you like to run higher like I do.

You never did mention a specific car either. Is this just in general that you are experiencing poor wear?
 
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:lol:

I think a better question here than "how" is...."why"? :odd:

Editing to avoid double posting...

It sounds to me like you should try adjusting your driving style. Sounds like you are very aggressive on entry. Be smooth coming in and concentrate more on getting out of the corner without spinning the tires but as quickly as you can. Use partial throttle if needed rather than mashing the pedal or button. Stability is one of the keys to tire life and speed.

Also, dump your brake balance in the tank if you haven't yet. Lots of the guys I know that run online and with tire wear run 2/1, 2/0, etc. That should help you avoid wearing down the tires quite a bit, especially if you like to run higher like I do.

You never did mention a specific car either. Is this just in general that you are experiencing poor wear?

Yes, on all cars, the consumption is greater than of the opponent, which result into more pit stop for me.
I'll just keep an eye on the temperature of the tires for now, then I want to try to adjust the set-up, until I find the right balance between tires consumption and lap times.
 
:lol:

I think a better question here than "how" is...."why"? :odd:

Editing to avoid double posting...

It sounds to me like you should try adjusting your driving style. Sounds like you are very aggressive on entry. Be smooth coming in and concentrate more on getting out of the corner without spinning the tires but as quickly as you can. Use partial throttle if needed rather than mashing the pedal or button. Stability is one of the keys to tire life and speed.

Also, dump your brake balance in the tank if you haven't yet. Lots of the guys I know that run online and with tire wear run 2/1, 2/0, etc. That should help you avoid wearing down the tires quite a bit, especially if you like to run higher like I do.

You never did mention a specific car either. Is this just in general that you are experiencing poor wear?

Agreed:)

If you have higher rear tire wear OP then the car is not balanced or your driving is too aggressive. To maximize tire life you need to have as close to even tire wear front and back as is possible. You might need to adjust your tune or your driving style or probably both. Lower BB's really help too and braking slightly earlier and being smoother also really helps too.

For me the two biggest keys to good tire life are a balanced tune and smooth driving. I don't believe minor changes to camber/toe, springs, dampers etc. affect tire wear much at all, unless they make the car easier to drive. Golden rule of tire wear is: Tire squeal=tire wear. The more they squeal, the more they wear. Your goal in longer races is to get around as fast as possible with as little squeal as possible.

Are you kidding me? I make two stops in the 60 lap enduro, 20 laps per stint. Are you listening to your tires? If they are screaming you are burning them up.

Like to see proof of that.:yuck:
 
A little experiment might help, we could take a track, a car, and post as many laps on a set of tires, lap times, and setup of the car, so we can make more precise comparisons.
 
Setup matters, but not nearly as much as driving style, drafting and throttle input.
I'm trying to remember back, and I think in the GVS race with maxed out ZR1 RM's, the most I could do competitively was 10 laps, but 9 laps was faster in the long run for total time. I do believe I've made 20 laps in an Enzo before, but the guy who pitted at lap 10 was right on my butt by lap 19, meaning pitting is faster.

Regardless the trick to making tires last, is 80% throttle control in my opinion. Find a car with a solid pace, and just follow them. Let off the gas 50 feet before your normal braking point, and coast into the corner. Only apply 50-70% brake pressure, coast through the turn and then slowly accelerate out of the turn. I usually don't go full throttle until 3rd gear (based on tranny settings) Stay in the draft of the car ahead of you, and maintain the same speed they are, with about 80% throttle input. Do this for how ever many laps needed. This strategy allows you to go the same distance as the car in front of you, and use 25% less tires than they do.

If your fronts wear quicker, move brake balance rearward, if your rears wear first, move brake balance forward. LSD, most tracks favor a specific direction of turning. GVS has far more right hand turns than left, and your Left Rear tire suffers because of that. Turn your LSD Acceleration Sensativity down. All the way to 5 if that's what it takes to even out the tire wear across the back. Increase your downforce. Despite what some may think, more downforce DEcreases tire wear.
 
Setup matters, but not nearly as much as driving style, drafting and throttle input.
I'm trying to remember back, and I think in the GVS race with maxed out ZR1 RM's, the most I could do competitively was 10 laps, but 9 laps was faster in the long run for total time. I do believe I've made 20 laps in an Enzo before, but the guy who pitted at lap 10 was right on my butt by lap 19, meaning pitting is faster.

Regardless the trick to making tires last, is 80% throttle control in my opinion. Find a car with a solid pace, and just follow them. Let off the gas 50 feet before your normal braking point, and coast into the corner. Only apply 50-70% brake pressure, coast through the turn and then slowly accelerate out of the turn. I usually don't go full throttle until 3rd gear (based on tranny settings) Stay in the draft of the car ahead of you, and maintain the same speed they are, with about 80% throttle input. Do this for how ever many laps needed. This strategy allows you to go the same distance as the car in front of you, and use 25% less tires than they do.

If your fronts wear quicker, move brake balance rearward, if your rears wear first, move brake balance forward. LSD, most tracks favor a specific direction of turning. GVS has far more right hand turns than left, and your Left Rear tire suffers because of that. Turn your LSD Acceleration Sensativity down. All the way to 5 if that's what it takes to even out the tire wear across the back. Increase your downforce. Despite what some may think, more downforce DEcreases tire wear.
Really exhaustive. Thanks!
 

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