Suzuki Concept Challenge

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It's not the sexiest of races, but it was fun for me.

I set myself the goal of completing all "nonlicenced" races. That means several manufacturer races, including the Suzuki Concepts race. This is a 3-track race using one of exactly two models, the Suzuki GSX-R/4 or the Suzuki S-3 Concept. Unfortunately, the GSX-R/4 is only available by winning the SCC, so I had to get an S-3 Concept.

The S-3 concept is available by winning the Suzuki K-Cup, which is a 3-race series of Suzuki's smaller cars. I bought a used cappucino and sunk about $25k into it on various "standard" upgrades, like R2 tires, a racing chip, lightweight stage 1, and a wing (just for fun).

The SKC race was an easy victory. I crushed the competition, gaining $5k per race, and winning an S-3 at the end (red). The S-3 is a concept, and thus can't be sold.

After the cakewalk in the SKC, I thought it'd be another 30 minutes and I'd be in bed with my new car in the garage. Oh, how wrong I was.

I took the S-3 to the tuners and bought several upgrades, expecting a little stiffer competition. I bought R2 tires, a sport exhaust, racing chip, turbo2 (max), close transmission, stage 1 wt reduction.

Went into the first race (9 a-spec points) at montegi and was crushed. Ended up trying an NA upgrade, lightweight 2, and port polishing. Lost a 7 point a-spec race, largely due to pushing too hard since I was still overpowered.

I added NO and racing brakes, and finally won the Montegi short by 4 seconds, grunting the whole way.

Finally, I thought to myself, I've got the car set up good enough to win. 20 more minutes, and to bed.

HA!

I walked into seattle and got spanked by nearly 30 seconds. It seems that the long stretches of seattle are really well suited to the GSX-R/4. Ouch. Add in the fact that I hadn't raced Seattle since GT3, and... well, it just wasn't pretty.

I returned to the turbo, thinking I'd want more HP at the high end. Drove better the second time in Seattle, but still lost by 22 seconds! I simply couldn't win with my current configuration.

I went and bought what I knew I should have bought all along, a full-custom transmission. It's the single best buy you can make for any vehicle that you're going to have to really work with, and I knew that. Dropped it in, chose a medium setting, and went back to Seattle.

And lost by 14 seconds.

It was getting pretty late. I noticed that with my increased speeds, I was starting to shake badly. I went and picked up a sports suspension and lowered it as far as I could. At this point I was running out of money ($100k into this car), but there was no way I was going to go to bed until I had won the races.

Went back to seattle, and lost twice in a row by 15 seconds, tweaking the transmission and my NO usage each time. In all of these races, there were 3 groups of cars. The lead GSX-R/4, my S-3, and then behind me by 5 seconds, all the other cars. The lead was just chewing up the track.

I decided to try Tsakuba, thinking that Seattle was just being unlucky for me.

I lost at Tsakuba by 9 seconds. Argh!

I went back to my garage and sold some cars, so that I could buy a new clutch and some other miscellaneous upgrades.

I tuned again, and lost in Seattle by only 6 seconds. I was getting there! Soon the race would be mine!

I realized that the driving aids (yes, I use them) were probably hurting me at this point more than helping me, so I turned them down quite a bit, as well as tuning just a little more.

Went back into Seattle and.... WON! by 3 seconds. Finally, I found the key to winning with this car. Thank goodness I'll never race it again after this series.

Took it to another race at Tsakuba, a 6 point race, and won by 5 seconds. Woohoo!

I've never been so happy to get a car as when I got my yellow GSX-R/4. With the stock setup, it nearly wins the races in SCC, MR Challenge, and cleans up in several other places. Plus, you can race it with the top down!

Thanks for reading all of this!

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Awesome write-up dude! Theres nothing worse than having to sell up a load of stuff just to get the bits you need to beat a race series that it bugging you!

Well done though, glad you got there in the end! The GSX-R/4 looks awesome in yellow! :D
 
dan0h
Awesome write-up dude! Theres nothing worse than having to sell up a load of stuff just to get the bits you need to beat a race series that it bugging you!

Well done though, glad you got there in the end! The GSX-R/4 looks awesome in yellow! :D

Thanks. I always find stories of struggle and triumph more interesting than stories where the hero just wins, you know? This was the first race in GT4 that whupped me so bad, so I just had to share.
 
Nice story though I would personally have liked more detail about the races.. Good work anyway and BTW, you do have determination! 👍

Cheers!
 
I had to "cheat" on the first race, I hit the lead car on a turn and passed him LOL. I'm about to try Seattle but I'm probably going to get whooped.
 
I think you need basically all power upgrades, clutch, flywheel, at least the first weight reduction, and maybe an LSD. I did it without racing tires, but I think the medium racing tires should really help with a powerful FWD car.
 
I seriously can't beat it, the first place car is just too quick. Last try I lost by 4 seconds and I seriously raced it flawlessly. I need tuning specifications. Which flywheel? Which tires? Etc. When should I use NOS?
 
I had some trouble with motegi during that series so I had to tune quite a bit. But, I'm familiar with tsukuba and seattle so those were a walk. Fun race though, that S-3 is actually a decent car.
 
Sorry about my unresponsiveness, I didn't realize that people were reading the thread still. :D

When I get home tonight I'll post the tuning I used on the S.
 
A disclaimer: I'm not really good at this stuff, but I did manage to get the car to work for me. You might be able to pull out a victory with this configuration, maybe not.

Exhaust: Racing
Racing Chip: Sports
NA Tuning: None
Tire Type: Racing
Front: Hard (R2)
Back: Hard (R2)
Nitrous: Equip (100)
Turbine: Stage 2
Intercooler: none
Brakes: Racing
Brake Controller: none
Suspension: Sports
Ride Height: 108/108
Shock Absorbers: 5/5
Camber Angle: 0/0
Transmission: Full Customize, setting 7
Clutch: Twin Plate
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids:
ASM: 5/5
TCS: 5
Downforce: none
Limited-slip: 1-way
AYC Controller: None
VCD: Standard
Weight balance: 0/0

Hopefully this will get you closer. The main technique I used with nitrous was simple: anywhere that there's a straightaway, open her up. You've got enough nitrous to last the whole race.

You might play with R3s instead of R2 tires. Maybe even R4s, if you find them necessary.

I almost always drive with driving aids on in stock configuration (as I said, I'm not great at this), but found that turning them down (but not off) really let the car move a little more.

You'll probably feel like you're just at the brink of losing control through the whole race. IMO, that means you're doing it right. :D

Good luck!
 
Thanks a ton, I just won first try by 4 seconds over the second car on Tsukuba Circuit. Only thing I subbed was I used R3s.

Now for Seattle...

Edit: Yes! Just won first try on Seattle by about 4 seconds also. My prize car is black and white with gold in the middle of the rims. Hawt.
 
I had posted some time ago in another thread concerning the gsxr4,and said that there is no way to beat a gsxr4 with a concept..So i tried (after all the mechanical upgrades) a full lsd,some traction control,some Nos,and the most important,slicks-i dont remember if they were soft or medium.And from my first attempt at tsukuba where i was 3rd with 11 sec from the first,i ended first with 9 sec from the 2nd...And i won this great machine.In grey.... :indiff:

PS:But now that i saw the yellow one....i'm thinkin' of trying again the whole series,i want other colors 2 :)
 
Try with ASM set on 0 and TCS on 1.Remember ASM applies the brakes to stabilise the car and can slow you down no end with a low powered car...
 
i just this sec won the gsx r/4.... cant wait to race it!!

seattle was a pain, so i bunged on NA2 mod onto the s2, reduced the weight, and NOS'd my way round hehe

its annoying that the gsx r/4 can be raced, but the caterham 7 cant!!
 
Once you pass the lead car, it seems to give up. The trick i used was a 75 shot of no2, and mowing the lawn on motegi. You're at a real disadvantage, as with a rolling start you need to clear a pack of useless roadblocks before you can even start chasing the lead car. Try to clear them quickly and cleanly, it will make catching the lead much easier.
 
I too had some problems beating those GRX-4's with my "****ty" Concept S2 (230hp turbo and all the usual suspension and transmission upgrades + weight reduction). Few mins ago i tried the seattle race again with R2 tires and that was all what took to win the race :) (I won by 6.6 seconds) i cant believe i didnt realize that my problem were ungrippy tires all the time :dunce:
 
Did this last night, won Motegi with stage one weight reduction and Medium Slicks.

Then I shoved the Turbo on anyway and did the last 2 races.

Love the prize car! Of course most of its advantage comes from being 630kg instead if 1000kg like the concept you race with. Seeing as the caterham is not allowed o race, this will have to fulfil my bike engine needs.
 
Man, I'm amazed at what some of you had to do to win this race. All I had to do was get a set of R3 tires and I trounced 'em.
 
h0ss
Thanks. I always find stories of struggle and triumph more interesting than stories where the hero just wins, you know? This was the first race in GT4 that whupped me so bad, so I just had to share.

i FOUGHT my way through Motegi for like 8 points, got my ass handed to me at seattle. found that stage 3 NA was faster than the turbo, so i used that, racing mediums, every upgrade up to stage 3 weight reduction. with the turbo, stage 1 weight, standard gearing i got annialated. with it upgraded i won a nice black :yuck: one. tuned that, and won the blue :dopey: :dopey:
 
I beat Those races a couple of months ago.... I just wanted to chime in and say that was a nice write-up :)
One thing I did notice is that my concept spun the tires ridiculously until llike the middle of 4th gear..lol

Anyway, Now i gotta go back and get another gsxr-4 because mine looks too plain :)

 
GTrackd02
I beat Those races a couple of months ago.... I just wanted to chime in and say that was a nice write-up :)
One thing I did notice is that my concept spun the tires ridiculously until llike the middle of 4th gear..lol

Anyway, Now i gotta go back and get another gsxr-4 because mine looks too plain :)


i saw it in blue and was determined to win it in blue. won it in black :ouch: tuned it, then ran the race again. got a bluey :dopey:
 
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