T.V burnout, true??? Need opinions

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Okay, I'm no technical guy here, but since me and my family are moving to a new house I wanted to plug my ps2 to out wide screen. My dad says I can't or else I'll shorten out the T.Vs Life span or in worst cases, burn out. Is this true? Cause I've been looking forward to playing GT4 on my wide screen. It's not a plasma though, one of those bulky T.V.. Advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
The output that a PS2 sends to a TV is no more dangerous than that of a VCR or DVD player. However, certain icons/text that remain stationary on a part of the screen can be "burned in," that is, a faint outline of those icons/text will appear and never go away. This happens if those icons/text are allowed to sit on the screen unchanged for too long (this is why screen savers were developed for PCs).

From my experience with video games and big-screen TVs, you'd have to play a game a helluva lot in order to see the effects of burn-in. If you play a sizable variety of games and don't play for hours upon hours at a time, it should be fine.
 
You cant "burn out" the TV per say, but if you leave a stationary image, like a pause screen in for a while, you will "burn in" the image. No one likes to see your GT4 speed while watching TV? Just shut it off when your done playing. :)

EDIT: Probably should have read above post... :dunce:
 
I have a panasonic DLP 47" TV. Been playing GT4 on it since I purchased it 2 1/2" years ago. No problems.

The only burn-in issue that we have is we used to watch regular TV in a non-widescreen view. After about 6 months, we noticed the side bars of the TV had a noticeable change in it. The "bars" wouldn't go away when the TV was turned off.

If you use the TV for "full Frame" televsion viewing, you'll do considerably more damage in a shorter time, than however many hours of GT4 you'll play.
 
Einhander
It's a Panasonic LCD T.V, 60 inch
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No worries, then. LCDs, by the way they function, are impossible to burn in. Dig around the 'net and show your dad.

Der Alta
I have a panasonic DLP 47" TV. Been playing GT4 on it since I purchased it 2 1/2" years ago. No problems.

The only burn-in issue that we have is we used to watch regular TV in a non-widescreen view. After about 6 months, we noticed the side bars of the TV had a noticeable change in it. The "bars" wouldn't go away when the TV was turned off.
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That I don't understand, either.. because DLPs can't burn in any more than LCDs can. What you're seeing is probably something on the screen itself (which is odd because it's just a screen).
 
Yes.

But then again, so will watching TV. The guns that project the image will wear out with any use. If you are asking specifically, does the use of the playstation cause more damage to the TV, than regular TV or a DVD, then No, the game won't affect your TV.
 
Jedi is correct. LCD and DLP are not in any way at risk of traditional "burn-in". I have no idea what Der Alta is seeing that has made him think that the vertical aspect ratio bars are burnt in, but it is impossible to burn-in LCD, DLP, and LCoS displays.

Burn-in is a permenant artifact directly involving the phosphors of a display. Because only CRTs and Plasmas use phosphors, only they are susceptable to traditional burn-in.

LCD panels can be damaged from excessive heat, either from poorly designed light engines, or from clogged air filters. LCD panels that are subjected to above normal operating heat levels may cause blotching artifacts that show up on the screen as permanent light blotches of specific colors. These colors will depend on which or how many of the three LCD panels are affected. There is no fix for this, other than to replace the damaged panels... which is still much cheaper than trying to replace the tubes of a CRT with burn-in! (and in the case of plasmas with burn-in, the only cost effective fix is to replace the entire display.) :ouch:

Der Alta
The guns that project the image will wear out with any use.
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I think he said he has an LCD TV, and only CRT's have "guns".

In a nut shell, as Jedi said, playing games from a PS2 on an LCD isn't going to cause any more wear and tear on the display than any other video device or watching TV.

Maybe your father just doesn't want you to log many hours on the TV, thus forcing him to buy a new lamp sooner rather than later. If that is the case, my recomendation is to find out how much a replacemtn lamp costs, devide it by the number of hours the lamp is rated for that display. In most cases, the cost per hour will be around 10 cents. If he is still bothered by it, offer to drop in a few dimes into a collection jar every time you play games on the TV. :)
 
OK, then. I'm really confused as well.

This is the TV I have, and it certainly has the vertical bars burned into the screen. The side bars can be seen when the TV is off, or on, be it movie, TV or other wise. We've taken to watching regular TV in "justified" mode.
 
Der Alta
I have a panasonic DLP 47" TV.
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Der Alta
OK, then. I'm really confused as well.

This is the TV I have, and it certainly has the vertical bars burned into the screen. The side bars can be seen when the TV is off, or on, be it movie, TV or other wise. We've taken to watching regular TV in "justified" mode.
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The confusion is in the type of TV you have. You said you had a DLP, but the one in that link is not a DLP, it is a CRT... and so judging by your obsevations, the one in the link is in fact what you own, and it is suffering from 4:3 burn-in - a serious problem that occurs with many CRTs and plasmas when displaying material that has a different aspect ratio than the TV.

Unfortunately, the cost to replace the CRT tubes and/or plasma panels is more than what you can get for a better performing display today.
 
Ahhh... Much clearer now. May have to wait a few months for a new set.

That wouldn't disappoint the missus in the least bit. :D
 
I have the older version of DA's TV. My "burned in" image is not the vertical, but those widescreen blackbars from the 2.35:1 aspect ratio. :D
 
Well Plasma's mainly have burnout's, but the whole burn out problems are dying off fast, but anything other then Plasma's will not have a burnout.
 
TVR&Ferrari_Fan
Well Plasma's mainly have burnout's, but the whole burn out problems are dying off fast, but anything other then Plasma's will not have a burnout.
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Please read the posts above. Any display technology that uses phosphors is susceptible to burn-in, and no, the whole burn out problems are NOT dying off fast - it is still a very serious issue, and anyone who owns one should take the necessary precautions to limit the effect. Suggesting otherwise could result is causing others with these types of displays to seriously dammage their displays.
 
My Pioneer set suffers from "retention", which is a different kettle of fish entirely (and, I fear, a distinctino many in this thread are having difficulty with).

Usually, running the TV overnight showing white noise (snow) clears any retained areas). We typically experience it around the white bars of the EPG and also in the channel logos area.
 
GilesGuthrie
My Pioneer set suffers from "retention", which is a different kettle of fish entirely (and, I fear, a distinctino many in this thread are having difficulty with).

Usually, running the TV overnight showing white noise (snow) clears any retained areas). We typically experience it around the white bars of the EPG and also in the channel logos area.
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Burn-in is a form of image retention, only that it is permanent. The form of retention that you are speaking of is often called TIR (Temporary Image Retention). It is also sometimes reffered to as "Image Persistence" or "Image Sticking".

TIR only effects LCDs, and as Giles Guthrie mentioned, is easily fixed.

TIR occurs when the DC components of the drive signals pull ions in the Liquid Crystal material from one side of the LCD panel to the other. This in turn drops the drive voltage in the pattern of the static image, causing a temporary "ghost" of the image to remain. Under normal conditions, when the image being displayed is changed, these ions diffuse back into the Liquid Crystal and the ghost image disappears.

The longer a static image is displayed the longer the ghost image will be retained. In severe cases, the ghost image will not be cleared by simply displaying new images. In that case, doing what GilesGuthrie mentioned above usually is enough to allow the ions to diffuse back into the solution, but the fastest way to restore the ions is to display an image or test pattern that is all black or dark gray.

You can also prevent this from happening if your LCD has a display orbiter option, which most quality LCD displays include in their on-screen user menu and/or service menu. Display Orbiters work with the video processor to periodically shift the image by one pixel which reduces the static nature of the image.

Unlike permanent image retention (Burn-in), TIR is easily, and quickly fixed.
 

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