T500 rs vs gt3 rs v2

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T500 RS or GT3 RS V2 (with clubsport pedals)


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Hi, I am in the market for one of these two wheels. I like the adjustability of the Fanatec, but I also like the Thrustmaster since it is built very strong wheel. The 16+ should tell me something about the quality. My question is, how hard a beating can these wheels take? My current wheel is the black MOMO, I have been using that for 2 years~. One day my dad went and tried it out, and he was VERY hard with the wheel, jerking it and countersteering like crazy. He broke the centering thing so every time you turn the wheel hard for fast right turns the wheel doesn't center, so obviously when this happens in a race you go flying off the road. You have to turn it all the way to the left and then it will center again. So which of these wheels can take a beating, and is strong enough to not break under rough use? I assume since both are very pricey, they can handle a human behind it.The fanatec also has the advantage of H shifter, since there is no clue when the Thrustmaster will come out. Which one to get? Also, since the GT3 RS has been out for a while, any chance Fanatec will come out with a new wheel?
 
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I own these two wheels so I feel I am qualified to give my opinion. The GT3 RS V2 is a great feeling wheel. The thick, Alcantara wrapped steering wheel is hard to beat for me. I wasn't sure how I was going to like it at first, but I absolutely fell in love with it. I also love the fact that you can adjust wheel settings on the fly, from the wheel itself. That is brilliant, and I wish more manufacturers would implement that kind of system on their wheels.

Another thing that I feel is brilliant is the cable system. It is fully modular, and all of the cables (USB, Power, Pedals and Shifter) are FULLY detachable from the wheel. This may not sound like a huge deal if you have your wheel hard mounted or in a cockpit, but for someone like me who switches back and forth between driving and flight sims it's a godsend. It makes removing the wheel from my desk that much easier, just disconnect the cables from the wheel's base, and toss it it on my bed...

The FFB for me was a mixed bag. The feel of it was a lot smoother than my previous wheel (DFGT), and took some getting used to, but I ended up preferring it. I think this is because of the belt drive system. The FFB could be very strong, but with too much force dialed in, it felt like the belt would slip and get very jerky. This is something I could not get used to, and really hurt my lap times, so I ended up lowering the FFB to a point where I think I wasn't seeing any benefit in feel over my old DFGT. Kind of negated the point of buying a higher end wheel in the first place...




The T500 RS on the other hand is a completely different animal. It's a belt drive wheel as well, but definitely does not feel as soft, or 'dampened' as the Fanatec. I think this is due to the extreme power of the FFB motor. It's FFB is sharp like my old DFGT, but with a MUCH 'cleaner' and tighter feel. There is no rattling or gear lashing or anything like that, just tight, sharp, accurate and STRONG FFB. Between the GT3RS and the T500RS, as far as FFB is concerned, the T500 wins HANDS DOWN.

The wheel itself doesn't feel nearly as good to me however as the GT3 RS. I really got spoiled by the meaty, alcantara wrapped wheel. In comparison, the T500 wheel rim is skinny (to me), cold and hard. It also scratches easily, which I find weird. The unit itself is also MUCH bigger than the Fanatec. I'm forced to move my monitor back 8-10 inches from where I had it with the Fanatec just to make room.

Another gripe is the damn cabling. I was hoping Thrustmaster would take a page from FANATEC's book and have the cabling system fully modular, but it isn't. The USB cable is hard-wired into the base unit, making removal of the wheel from your desk a nightmare. Every time I want to clear my desk off, or switch to a Joystick I have to crawl under my desk, reach around the back of my PC to disconnect the usb cable, then fish it all the way back up to the top of my desk... Real pain-in-the-ass. It doesn't help that the wheel is HUGE and weighs like 10 lbs. In it's defense, I suppose this type of wheel was made for permanent mounting in a cockpit or something...


Overall, I prefer the T500 RS, and that is now my main wheel. I still have the GT3 RS as a backup, however.

I paid 179.99 for the GT3, and 200.00 for the Clubsport pedals, making the set come out to 379.99. You can save even more money by going with the standard pedals that only cost 49.99. That would bring the set to 239.99, which is a STEAL!

The T500 RS on the other hand, was 599.99 and this included (awesome) pedals. So these two wheels are obviously in two completely different price brackets.

My verdict; if you have the money and the desk space/real estate, DEFINITELY go with the T500RS, if not he GT3 is still a great wheel, with some definite advantages, for the price.



If you have any more specific questions, ask away!
 
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So both of these wheels can take a strong human behind it without breaking right? It won't go out of center from hard steering?
 
It's hard for me to say, as I'm pretty gentle with my wheels... But If I had to guess I'd say the Thrustmaster feels like it could take more abuse than the Fanatec. Just feels more robust. They both beefier than either the Momo Black or DFGT though, without a doubt.
 
monsterZERO wrote a great post.

(I have a desk so my experience in this aspect is different) t500rs comes with an awesome clamp. Just clamp/unclamp from your desk and run the cables to the side. Takes me less than 5 minutes. Ofc, I'm getting a wheel stand for it ordered for this wheel really soon. No way am I sticking with a desk for this great wheel.

Like him, I had to slide my monitors back because the wheel is so huge. Btw, check the t500rs thread for Fanatec GT2 + CS Pedals vs t500rs comparisons around pages 180-195 or so

I find these threads somewhat funny though. Only on this forum do I constantly see Fanatec vs T500rs threads. At iRacing forums they just all seemed to vote t500rs the clear winner. Poster after poster recommends the t500rs because it gets you the closest to the higher end wheels (ECCI / FREX) for a fraction of the cost. Thrustmaster has discovered an incredible reception in the PC sim market which makes sense because for now I still stand by my original observations, my T500rs is mostly a PC wheel just for the time being until more ps3 games support it

Don't be like those posters that dont research before buying a $599 wheel and discover it's not yet supported by all the games out there. You can only play GT5, soon to be released Dirt 3, and Nascar 2011 (after the patch). So if you want to play a huge variety of console games for now then your choice is the Fanatec gt3. But if you dont mind playing on PC for now or wish to 'step it up' if you want to call it that, then t500rs is more attractive

Oh btw, try not to pay $599 for a t500rs if you can help it. Sometimes the prices drop on Amazon. But now that the 'word' about this wheel has gotten out maybe it wont anymore. I didn't pay $599 + taxes for mine. I walked into FRY'S, had them look up Amazon.com price drop at the time, and got them to drop the price of my wheel. They understood perfectly and were quite reasonable. There was no haggling or anything. $599 is just a lot of money to toss out. But keep in mind, I must say the Standard Pedals by Fanatec have a bad stigma about them. Just bad rep all the way around. The CS Pedals are just world renown from what I have seen. The TS Pedals, in the console world, would most likely come in #2 just by going by all the feedback here and at iRacing. But keep in mind they are awesome pedals. And I'd never felt a load cell, so I am blissfully ignorant and happy and you would be too
 
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Thanks for the help. Will more support for other games be added later? And how do you update the "firmware" i've been hearing that alot.
 
I have mothballed my GT2 wheel and do PC driving with the T500RS & Clubsports and ACTLabs shifter and PS3 driving with the T500RS wheel and pedals.

I tossed the 360 and FM3 so no longer "need" the XB360 compatibility of the GT2. In hindsight I should have just bought the CSP's and not bothered with the GT2.

The poll needs another option "Kept my CSPs to use with the T500" :)
 
Thanks for the help. Will more support for other games be added later? And how do you update the "firmware" i've been hearing that alot.

1. I don't see developers updating their games to support t500rs. only expect new games to support it from Dirt 3 going forward. Older games like Shift 2, etc you have to play on the PC. That's what I'm doing :dopey: (Nascar 2011 is the only dev I know of that's patching in support)

2. Updating the firmware is easy. Just connect the wheel to the PC. There is a utility that we run that auto-updates our wheel when we click the Update button

I have mothballed my GT2 wheel and do PC driving with the T500RS & Clubsports and ACTLabs shifter and PS3 driving with the T500RS wheel and pedals.

I tossed the 360 and FM3 so no longer "need" the XB360 compatibility of the GT2. In hindsight I should have just bought the CSP's and not bothered with the GT2.

The poll needs another option "Kept my CSPs to use with the T500" :)

Haha that would be funny. Yeah I see a lot of Fanatec owners doing that now. Keeping the CS pedals to use with the T500rs. Plus in a game like rFactor you still get the brake FFB I read
 
I have mothballed my GT2 wheel and do PC driving with the T500RS & Clubsports and ACTLabs shifter and PS3 driving with the T500RS wheel and pedals.

I tossed the 360 and FM3 so no longer "need" the XB360 compatibility of the GT2. In hindsight I should have just bought the CSP's and not bothered with the GT2.

The poll needs another option "Kept my CSPs to use with the T500" :)

It's just too bad the PS3 and Xbox 360 treat wheels and pedals as systems, so individual components can't be used separately. So you get the amazing T500 RS wheel with "pretty good" pedals or the "pretty good" GT3 RS wheel with awesome ClubSport pedals. Score one for PC and its flexibility and adaptability.
 
monsterZERO wrote a great post.

(Oh btw, try not to pay $599 for a t500rs if you can help it. Sometimes the prices drop on Amazon. But now that the 'word' about this wheel has gotten out maybe it wont anymore. I didn't pay $599 + taxes for mine.


I bought my T500RS at Best Buy for $499 price matched. I'm in Canada.
 
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I bought my T500RS at Best Buy for $499 price matched. I'm in Canada.

Where in Canada are you? I'm in Vancouver and all Futureshop/Best Buy you can't into the store and buy one, it's special order and you have to wait a month. It's also listed at $600 if you go to their website and on their website it says special order only not available in store.
 
I find the T500RS is a good wheel but it can get out of whack when FFB is strong. e.g. when driving the X1 enthusiastically in GT5, the belts can slip and suddenly you find the wheel is centering 25 degrees to the left, very disconcerting.

I'm not a wild driver but have had this happen a couple of times. Unplugging and replugging the USB or power causes the wheel to reinitialize which fixes it. Is ok if you are just practicing, are in Arcade mode or an A / B spec event and can just pause while doing it. A pain if you are online racing though.

Oh and the accelerator pedal stopped working the other day - 18 hours into a Sarthe 24 hour enduro. Had to switch back the my G27 spare. Not amused.

Good wheel otherwise though.
 
^^ You might want to make a film and send it to support. I haven't had any issues with ffb. On gt5 I run with FFB set to 7-8. Driving an X1 is very smooth. Your wheel should never center 25 deg to the left. Sounds broken for sure
 
I find the T500RS is a good wheel but it can get out of whack when FFB is strong. e.g. when driving the X1 enthusiastically in GT5, the belts can slip and suddenly you find the wheel is centering 25 degrees to the left, very disconcerting.

I'm not a wild driver but have had this happen a couple of times. Unplugging and replugging the USB or power causes the wheel to reinitialize which fixes it. Is ok if you are just practicing, are in Arcade mode or an A / B spec event and can just pause while doing it. A pain if you are online racing though.

Oh and the accelerator pedal stopped working the other day - 18 hours into a Sarthe 24 hour enduro. Had to switch back the my G27 spare. Not amused.

Good wheel otherwise though.


This has happened to me before as well. Not often, but when it does it is needless to say, VERY frustrating... I always thought the driver (using on PC only) just 'hiccuped', if you know what I mean. Never thought it was the belt slipping. I certainly hope that isn't the case :nervous:
 
Where in Canada are you? I'm in Vancouver and all Futureshop/Best Buy you can't into the store and buy one, it's special order and you have to wait a month. It's also listed at $600 if you go to their website and on their website it says special order only not available in store.

yeah, it might be true but I do not buy it (no pun intended! haha) that someone is selling the T500RS new for $500.

Cheapest I can find is $560 + free shipping.

:)
 
I've heard of the prices dipping below $560. I almost locked it in for like 540 but by the time I made it to my store it went backup to 560 at amazon, and now its back up to $599 on amazon.

I wouldn't be surprised if best buy online price matched against competition. This way you stick with best buy, get a price match, and get to apply the credits to your best buy card

$499 for a t500rs would be a fantastic deal btw
 
Im in the same boat.
As I see it (through reading) you get the best wheel with the T500 but the best pedals with the GT3 RS CSP edition.
People say, T500RS + CSP, well of course it's ideal.
But it's costy and doesn't work with GT5.
Hard decision.
Which way did you go?
 
Now we know Fanatec coming out with it's Elite wheel kind of hints T500RS was the better wheel. Elite may be better than the T500RS. We have to wait and see.
 
G27 lol, it's the cheaper of the bunch and I don't have to wait for Fanatec's shipping.


Im in the same boat.
As I see it (through reading) you get the best wheel with the T500 but the best pedals with the GT3 RS CSP edition.
People say, T500RS + CSP, well of course it's ideal.
But it's costy and doesn't work with GT5.
Hard decision.
Which way did you go?
 
G27 lol, it's the cheaper of the bunch and I don't have to wait for Fanatec's shipping.

Well, the G27 (again from reading here on the forum) isn't optimal for GT5.
According to what I read it just isn't as detailed in GT5.
 
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Now we know Fanatec coming out with it's Elite wheel kind of hints T500RS was the better wheel. Elite may be better than the T500RS. We have to wait and see.

I don't get what you mean mate.
 
I don't get what you mean mate.

he means that fanatec will release the csr elite wheel because they don't have a product to match the quality of the t500rs at the moment. that's why i strongly believe that the csr elite will surpass the t500rs. at 500 euro price point it has to :D
 
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he means that fanatec will release the csr elite wheel because they don't have a product to match the quality of the t500rs at the moment. that's why i strongly believe that the csr elite will surpass the t500rs. at 500 euro price point it has to :D

But Darin of ISR said that Thomas told them he was working on a wheel over a year ago.
Before Thrustmaster released a wheel.

I wouldn't read to much into Thrustmaster forcing Fanatecs hand.
This wheel was coming wether Thrustmaster released a wheel or not.

Edit to add.

Now Darin who was using the Thrustmaster and saying it's the best out there was clever.

He knew Thomas would like to trump the wheel. So Darin gets an Elite early for nothing.

Darin then says the Elite is amazing. He knows Logitech are secretly making a wheel and gets another one early.

Keep em coming sucka's thinks Darin.

Top bloke.
 
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But Darin of ISR said that Thomas told them he was working on a wheel over a year ago.
Before Thrustmaster released a wheel.
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A year ago there were no Gt2. Then there is the CSR wheel. I have a feeling T500RS had some influence of the making of the Elite.
Well, the G27 (again from reading here on the forum) isn't optimal for GT5.
The G27 plus controller in the middle of the wheel is very optimal for Gt5. I like mapping the hand brakes to the right analog stick.
 
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