The Cool Wall

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So basically you guys are saying that unpopular opinions should be suppressed, right?

Beeblebrox237
he is a blithering idiot
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*Ahem*

Beeblebrox237
I'm increasingly of the opinion that the cool wall should be scrapped entirely, for good. There's a reason it's had many curators. If it were put to a vote, I'd vote to kill the cool wall entirely. It's old, repetitive, and has no practical value.
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So since you don't like it any more it should be abolished, who cares about those who still may get some enjoyment out of it. And you have the gall to claim W&N has a small mind.

Protip: If you don't like a thread or subforum or whatever, just don't go there.
 
BobK
So basically you guys are saying that unpopular opinions should be suppressed, right?
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Can't speak for the others, but that's not what I said. I believe its the responsibility of anyone presenting something for polling to a community to do so in an unbiased fashion, or else it just smacks of trying to engineer the result in favour of the Poller's own opinions, which - rightly so - people will have an issue with.

I don't have a problem with W&N having or stating an opinion, I just don't think it should be in the OP.



The whole c.i. thing does bug me though!
 
@BobK most people aren't saying that at all, we'd just prefer his rants to be in a post other than the OP.
 
Much ado about nothing. Basically just look at the picture and don't let a subjective opinion dictate your subjective opinion. If a person doesn't want to change their habit, it cannot be forced. It is not a site violation, only a matter inconvenience or annoyance. Look at the picture, vote what you feel, state your opinion, ignore the "mindless opinion" of people you don't like.

The only way I would say there needs to be a change is if the OP decides to attack other people for voicing their opinions about a car because it differs from his opinion and he doesn't like it.
 
MatskiMonk
Can't speak for the others, but that's not what I said. I believe its the responsibility of anyone presenting something for polling to a community to do so in an unbiased fashion, or else it just smacks of trying to engineer the result in favour of the Poller's own opinions, which - rightly so - people will have an issue with.

I don't have a problem with W&N having or stating an opinion, I just don't think it should be in the OP.



The whole c.i. thing does bug me though!
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peobryant
@BobK most people aren't saying that at all, we'd just prefer his rants to be in a post other than the OP.
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Okay, fair enough; I just went through and reread the thread and I was wrong; people aren't saying he shouldn't express his opinion, he should just be more circumspect about where he does so. And yes, some (@Tornado, @Liquid just to name two) are supporting his right to his opinions. So I withdraw my first statement. But not the rest of my post.

But there's no replacement for displacement. :P
 
I basically absolutely agree with everything that has been said by @Tornado here. I find W&N does a very good job at running the wall, and I even like that he puts his opinion in the op because, why not? He runs it. Bias in the op? So what? It doesn't matter at all. the moment he puts down his opinion, be it in the OP or be it in another post, people will (most likely) react to it, speacially his haters.

Just let it go people, as much as you dislike him, he does a good work. Hell, he's the one who makes the Cool Wall posts funny, for crying out loud. As I said in the Insight thread, what would we do without him? It would all be "cool" or "uncool" blabber, without actually nothing being discussed. I'd much rather read all the stuff that happens now in the Cool Wall threads than rather boring, two-pages of "this is cool" threads. His strong opinions (albeit pretty ignorant most of the times, sorry dude) are a good catalyst for theCool Wall because it makes it move.

@White & Nerdy has my support 👍

And I actually understand cubic inches perfectly, so to me that is a big plus and a nice touch... lets say he imprint his style to his running of the Cool Wall, which is perfectly fine.
 
Cano
I basically absolutely agree with everything that has been said by @Tornado here. I find W&N does a very good job at running the wall, and I even like that he puts his opinion in the op because, why not? He runs it. Bias in the op? So what? It doesn't matter at all. the moment he puts down his opinion, be it in the OP or be it in another post, people will (most likely) react to it, speacially his haters.

Just let it go people, as much as you dislike him, he does a good work. Hell, he's the one who makes the Cool Wall posts funny, for crying out loud. As I said in the Insight thread, what would we do without him? It would all be "cool" or "uncool" blabber, without actually nothing being discussed. I'd much rather read all the stuff that happens now in the Cool Wall threads than rather boring, two-pages of "this is cool" threads. His strong opinions (albeit pretty ignorant most of the times, sorry dude) are a good catalyst for theCool Wall because it makes it move.

@White & Nerdy has my support 👍

And I actually understand cubic inches perfectly, so to me that is a big plus and a nice touch... lets say he imprint his style to his running of the Cool Wall, which is perfectly fine.
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This. Many times over. ^
 
Though I think he has ignorant views, @White & Nerdy does a very good job of running the wall.

If his radical views bother you so much, that's as much your problem as it is his. If you don't like it, just completely ignore it. Rebutting his points (even I am guilty of this to a degree) and voting SZ to counter is just as ignorant.

It takes both sides to derail the thread. Not just W&N's ignorant comments, but the inability of everybody else to not let it send them into a boiling rage. It's his opinion just as much as your opinion is yours.

Likewise, it's just as much everybody else's fault for getting tangled in arguments about what he posts as it is his for being so extreme with opinions.

I think W&N should stay, because I feel that he does a great job of actually doing all the dirty work of running the wall that the rest of us would get tired of or wouldn't bother to do.
 
@White & Nerdy generally runs the wall very well, although he's not always the best at finding specs. Honestly, I enjoy the stupid, pointless arguments the cool wall creates. At the end of the day, that was always the point of the original. Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond would always wind up fighting over something.
 
Keep the ignorant views out of the first post. Problem solved. He can add his silly idea of manliness & politics, and how they are attached to cars with Harry's dribble later on in the thread with everyone else.
 
Tornado
It doesn't make any difference. You're right. But that is because what people are saying is rather irrelevant when it's not what they actually mean (which is rather blatantly nothing more than "we don't want him posting in Cool Wall threads anymore" and taking it away from him is the quickest outlet for that). Let's call a spade a spade here: This isn't about protecting the sanctity of the Cool Wall from "organizer bias," because the event as a concept was going on for years before White and Nerdy took it over and he doesn't run it any differently than any of the other people who ran it; including having opinions about the things being voted themselves.
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Which is why I raised the point in the first place while quoting @Liquid. It has become apparent that people just don't want or like him posting at any capacity, the idea that him posting separate from the OP is basically a cop out for those who disagree with me that's fine we can hash it out.


Similarly:

Several people keep claiming that his personal bias is reflected in how he runs the Cool Wall, and they have to because that is the only requirement of him to run it. It has literally been claimed since he stepped up to take it over. And yet the million dollar question is how. What is the relationship between the fact that he is outspoken (putting it kindly) and he is also the one setting up the polls?
He doesn't manipulate results. He presents the car information and pictures exactly as it is given to him in the nomination thread, even copying errors over when the person who nominated the car did a poor job (and certain people have even used that to try to claim he's trying to misrepresent cars). And he incorporates all of the questionable ideas that he inherited from the former runners of the thread that do dramatically and demonstrably skew the voting results, and follows them to the letter. He didn't change anything, and the closest he ever came to anything of the sort was making a joke about it that blew up in his face when at least one of the people posting in this thread tried to use even that as proof of the same thing that is being claimed now.

So where does his personal bias actually factor into this? The only thing he does any differently is that he puts his opinion at the end of the OP (as far as I can remember, always clearly separated from the actual car info, mind) rather than double posting at the end, which means it is all of 2 centimeters further up the screen and a wholly meaningless difference for the purpose of this thread, as you yourself noted. I'd personally like to see it happen too, but I'm under no illusion that that is actually what people are angling for here.
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Which is basically what I was saying in just a handful of words rather. How does that differ and stop people from claiming bias and I suggested they'd still figure it to be bias but just not in the OP. As for result skewing it works both ways at this point, his negative outlook would make a meh or uncool car jump up at least 1 rating compared to if he didn't say anything at all. I'm guilty myself turning in a result due to his rhetoric (though I was on the border of meh or cool to begin with) but in the end that's my fault for being irritated and thus skewing results to a degree others I'd say are ore guilty.

Though I'm not sure why you quoted me since I was basically questioning people like you did, and I'm not sure if you're asking me something or expanding on what I said instead.
 
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