The Dark Knight gets a sequel - The Dark Knight Rises!

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on march 10, 2010, nolan confirmed his involvement with a sequel and gave some information regarding the story. The next batman film will be nolan's last and a conclusion to the story. Nolan says, "without getting into specifics, the key thing that makes the third film a great possibility for us is that we want to finish our story. And in viewing it as the finishing of a story rather than infinitely blowing up the balloon and expanding the story . . . I’m very excited about the end of the film, the conclusion, and what we’ve done with the characters. My brother has come up with some pretty exciting stuff. Unlike the comics, these things don’t go on forever in film and viewing it as a story with an end is useful. Viewing it as an ending, that sets you very much on the right track about the appropriate conclusion and the essence of what tale we’re telling. And it hearkens back to that priority of trying to find the reality in these fantastic stories. That’s what we do.” nolan has also confirmed that jonathan nolan is writing the script and that the villain of the film “won't be mr. Freeze.”

Read the entire article (with talks of Superman as well) here: Christopher Nolan Speaks!

I'm really looking forward to this as I'm a bit of a fanatic when it comes to Batman. I'm truly interested in knowing how they're going to outdo the immense success that was The Dark Knight. I can, in no way, shape, or form see that happening; the entire movie was done so well it seemed like something straight out of the comic books. As many comic book-inspired superhero films I've seen, I've never seen one that stuck so closely to the original without creating a new environment on top of itself. I'd bet my bottom dollar the main villain is going to be The Riddler.

Like I said, I can't see them overshadowing The Dark Knight, and perhaps that won't be Nolan's intent, but, if anyone can do it - it's him.

What do you think?
 
The second film could have been improved upon in many areas. First and foremost: greater focus on a singular character, rather than dividing their efforts and our attentions onto two villains (Ekhart, Ledger). The dynamic of Ekhart's character, IMO, should have been an arch and a background element that eventually comes to the fore from the first through to the second or third films.

In that regard, too, the film could have been shorter; this doesn't necessarily make the film better per se, but it does help to cut down on bloat, force them to focus the narrative, and above all be more decisive in their use of characters.

This saga, in its incarnation, had great potential—and it still does. The thematic elements of the films were admittedly more fanciful in Batman Begins than in The Dark Knight—the key to making each one a success would have been in making them thematically contiguous, but unique enough in each narrative that the films could stand independently, whilst being related enough not to exist without cause.

The greatest challenge to producing a saga, rather than a single narrative, is justifying its' existence. Why make 3 or 4 when one could suffice? What is it about these three films that depend on each other to stand up? What are we being told that we haven't heard before, and most importantly, what does it matter in relation to the rest of the films?

These are some of the things Nolan Bros. et al. will have to examine in order to make this trilogy truly worthwhile.
 
The second film could have been improved upon in many areas. First and foremost: greater focus on a singular character, rather than dividing their efforts and our attentions onto two villains (Ekhart, Ledger). The dynamic of Ekhart's character, IMO, should have been an arch and a background element that eventually comes to the fore from the first through to the second or third films.

In that regard, too, the film could have been shorter; this doesn't necessarily make the film better per se, but it does help to cut down on bloat, force them to focus the narrative, and above all be more decisive in their use of characters.

This saga, in its incarnation, had great potential—and it still does. The thematic elements of the films were admittedly more fanciful in Batman Begins than in The Dark Knight—the key to making each one a success would have been in making them thematically contiguous, but unique enough in each narrative that the films could stand independently, whilst being related enough not to exist without cause.

The greatest challenge to producing a saga, rather than a single narrative, is justifying its' existence. Why make 3 or 4 when one could suffice? What is it about these three films that depend on each other to stand up? What are we being told that we haven't heard before, and most importantly, what does it matter in relation to the rest of the films?

These are some of the things Nolan Bros. et al. will have to examine in order to make this trilogy truly worthwhile.

An incredible point, but the character focus was divided in such a way that you were never asking yourself "Well, what's going on here?" unless you've never seen or read a Batman movie/comic book in your life - in which case, I could understand someone's confusion. The movie itself flowed brilliantly, yes, some things could have been done better and there are even a few things they could have focused on instead of what was chosen to be focused on. The Joker, as a character, deserved the lion's share of the attention as The Dark Knight was generally more about him anyhow. It was about him proving to everyone that no matter how hard you try, no matter how much change you can bring forth someone can always bring you down to their level, and given enough motivation you can become the very thing you fought to eradicate.

Of course, that's just the way I see things. Harvey could have, or rather should have had more time under the Two-Face personality, but when you look back at it you'll notice the time he did have under such a face was significant enough that you got the point.

If it were up to me, the sequel (and seemingly the last at least from Nolan's storyline perspective) would continue on from where that left off, but would focus on Harvey coming to grips with everything and becoming that very nuisance - a criminal. I think Nolan wanted to do something like this anyway, but decided to "kill" Harvey at the last moment. I say that in quotations because it was never really confirmed, you're just left to assume. I'm looking forward to how it's going to be dealt with, because as it is the premise is that whomever the villain is going to be might be looked upon as someone who's taking the "wrong" that Batman took the blame for (although said villain wouldn't be privileged to knowing such) into their own hands and is now looking to punish the Batman.

I don't know. There's plenty of ways it could be taken, I just hope it doesn't pale in comparison to the first or second films.
 
The sequel to Dark Knight, as I understand it, always intended to wrap up the Joker storyline. Speculation seems to indicate that Ledger's death was the main hinderance to a quicker followup. . .
 
Well, it had always been intended as a three-story arc for Nolan, so this is no major surprise to anyone keeping track of things on the internets. Nolan's big challenge will be pleasing the fans while also attempting to find a way to top the Joker. Sticking with that whole gritty realism thing, they'd have to stick to theoretically possible super villains. The Riddler and Deadshot would be my two top picks. However, I think Nolan could easily wrap a few nods and winks in there without much of a problem. Assuming that some of the story would involve a "clean-up" following the whole issue with the Joker and the capture of former inmates of Arkham, people like Harley Quinn, Mr. Zsasz and The Penguin would make some sense as well. Nolan will take risks I assume, someone like Zsasz would be a totally awesome choice for the hardcore fans, Deadshot maybe being a bit more mainstream overall dealing with some very serious, grounded issues.


But, if there is a major bone to pick with the whole ordeal, its that DC/Warner has yet to find a way to streamline their franchises into some kind of universe. Marvel/Disney is (attempting) to make it so everything occurs in the same universe, much the same way that the comics work out. There was a bit of talk that The Dark Knight would lead right into The Green Arrow's Supermax film, and that somehow, whatever the next Batman ends up being, that it would lead nicely into the Superman reboot. I've yet to hear how all of this will effect the Green Lantern project, the long discussed Wonder Woman film, and of course the rumored Justice League ordeal.

*sigh*

Hopefully while at San Diego Comic Con this July, I'll hear some more about (all of) it.
 
Well, it had always been intended as a three-story arc for Nolan, so this is no major surprise to anyone keeping track of things on the internets. Nolan's big challenge will be pleasing the fans while also attempting to find a way to top the Joker. Sticking with that whole gritty realism thing, they'd have to stick to theoretically possible super villains. The Riddler and Deadshot would be my two top picks. However, I think Nolan could easily wrap a few nods and winks in there without much of a problem. Assuming that some of the story would involve a "clean-up" following the whole issue with the Joker and the capture of former inmates of Arkham, people like Harley Quinn, Mr. Zsasz and The Penguin would make some sense as well. Nolan will take risks I assume, someone like Zsasz would be a totally awesome choice for the hardcore fans, Deadshot maybe being a bit more mainstream overall dealing with some very serious, grounded issues.


But, if there is a major bone to pick with the whole ordeal, its that DC/Warner has yet to find a way to streamline their franchises into some kind of universe. Marvel/Disney is (attempting) to make it so everything occurs in the same universe, much the same way that the comics work out. There was a bit of talk that The Dark Knight would lead right into The Green Arrow's Supermax film, and that somehow, whatever the next Batman ends up being, that it would lead nicely into the Superman reboot. I've yet to hear how all of this will effect the Green Lantern project, the long discussed Wonder Woman film, and of course the rumored Justice League ordeal.

*sigh*

Hopefully while at San Diego Comic Con this July, I'll hear some more about (all of) it.

Zsasz would be awesome. You know what I'd really love to see?

A Bane story arc, but it has to be done properly. Not like that Batman & Robin crap, where he was being controlled by Poison Ivy - being controlled by Poison Ivy. Are you kidding me? He could have snapped her in half, and just tossed Mr Freeze somewhere, and take on both Batman and Robin by himself. I'd gladly pay $10 to see that arc; seeing him break The Batman (both literally and figuratively) and then having to introduce Jean Paul Valley to take his place temporarily while he recovers. Him (Valley) resorting to methods that aren't akin to the actual Batman, him becoming corrupted by the persona, so on and so forth.

Oh yeah, when you go the Comic Con - keep me informed. I've always wanted to attend one but I can't recall any of them being here. :guilty:

The sequel to Dark Knight, as I understand it, always intended to wrap up the Joker storyline. Speculation seems to indicate that Ledger's death was the main hinderance to a quicker followup. . .

I believe it was, because you never see him get caught. Of course the SWAT team is moving in, but come on, this is The Joker we're talking about. It's a shame he's gone though, up until TDK I never realized he was such a good actor.
 
"What's that Joker? You'll be back? Somehow, I don't think you will be!"
 
That's kind of genius. That could work better than the Riddler.

Wow. I never even thought of that. 👍
Well, we never knew what the Joker was planning..all we saw was Batman or Two-Face. But who knows,Joker is in jail and someone is going to pull the strings rather than The Penguin...
Assuming that some of the story would involve a "clean-up" following the whole issue with the Joker and the capture of former inmates of Arkham, people like Harley Quinn, Mr. Zsasz and The Penguin would make some sense as well. Nolan will take risks I assume, someone like Zsasz would be a totally awesome choice for the hardcore fans, Deadshot maybe being a bit more mainstream overall dealing with some very serious, grounded issues.
YSSMAN beat me to it.
 
Well, we never knew what the Joker was planning..all we saw was Batman or Two-Face. But who knows,Joker is in jail and someone is going to pull the strings rather than The Penguin...YSSMAN beat me to it.

Well, then the both of you thought of someone I hadn't. :lol:

That could really work though. They could even use scenes that were cut from the original movie, or re-work some audio to at least get The Joker (and Ledger) in for about 5 or 10 minutes out of respect to him, and to progress that storyline. She would have to be quite reckless and a bit more methodical (at least in a sane state of mind) than The Joker for her to be believable.
 
I think the major issue with bringing Harley in is that, as a stand-alone villain, she would not be enough to carry an entire film. Nolan has already written off baddies like Dr. Victor Fries (Mr. Freeze) and Poison Ivy (a traditional ally to Quinn), so it really would limit her to a role that would only last for a few moments presumably near the beginning of the film.

Taking into consideration the level of threat that was posed to Gotham in the first and second film, we'd have to have someone 'bat-s' (ha) crazy for this one. Someone with a lot of power, and the ability to influence a great number of people. I could see a story where Deadshot is taking out criminals and corrupt politicians, something that Batman would likely first see as a necessary evil, until he himself becomes a target. Knowing that Bats hates guns, it would make an interesting story, and it would also be an interesting commentary on gun ownership and usage in America.

With reality knocking, I guess that in my mind, The Riddler is the only other realistic villain that could really deliver a great story and bring about an interesting end to the Nolan arc. To that end however, I am entirely uncertain as to how well he could play into the film, being a direct threat to anything other than Batman. After all, The Riddler never really seeks to kill anyone or put a lot of people in grave danger, only to screw with Batman, and see if he can get caught or not. Much of this depends on the tone that Nolan wants to have in this film, and assuming that it is over a case of redemption for Batman among the people of Gotham, this wouldn't be my choice for doing it.
 
I also predict Riddler with some other lesser Batman characters sprinkled in. But I'd never have predicted the Scarecrow and Raz for the first movie. And if you'd told me that that's what they were going to do I'd have predicted a bad movie. Certainly I wouldn't have expected it to be EVEN BETTER than the joker incarnation.

Guess as far as I'm concerned I don't care who's in it. Mr Freeze could be the bad guy for all I care, just as long as I get the quality writing from the first movie (not the second one).
 
Meh, not really for the newer Batman films, BB was okay. Ledger's acting was overrated, his character wasn't the real Joker (unlike Jack Nicholson). Best Batman films will always remain as the Michael Keaton's ones.
 
Meh, not really for the newer Batman films, BB was okay. Ledger's acting was overrated, his character wasn't the real Joker (unlike Jack Nicholson). Best Batman films will always remain as the Michael Keaton's ones.

I'm a huuuuge fan and owner of the Burton Batman movies, and I think you're wrong. Ledger's portrayal of the joker was a different take, but I liked it. I felt it was more believable than Nicholson. He was darker, but still kinda likeable - just as the joker needs to be.

'Begins is one of my top movies of all time, but Dark Knight doesn't crack the list due to some gaping plot holes and hasty or over-the-top writing. I think I would rate the Batman movies as follows:

1) Begins
2) TDK
3) Batman
4) Batman Returns
5) No others need be considered
 
I agree it was a more 'real' Joker, but for me that kinda' misses the point, Nicholson's just captured the craziness aswell as insanity and fits in with Burton's version of Gotham. Ledger's is more of a calculated, sadistic character.

And I can't stand Bale as The Bat.
 
After discussing it with the wife briefly, I have to change my vote. She knows me well and points out the really the only thing I like about TDK is the joker. Here's the revised list (took me about 10 min to change my mind)

1) Begins
2) Batman
3) TDK
4) Batman Returns
5) There are no other batman movies.
 
Meh, not really for the newer Batman films, BB was okay. Ledger's acting was overrated, his character wasn't the real Joker (unlike Jack Nicholson). Best Batman films will always remain as the Michael Keaton's ones.

You know, you sound just like my mother. :lol:

If you want to be technical, or, throw in comic book references then neither Nicholson or Ledger bested the other as they both portrayed the Joker as accurately as a movie would allow from a comic book reference. Nicholson portrayed the "everything is a huge joke to me" Joker whereas Ledger portrayed the "I'll always have the last laugh, and I kill people not for the money, but just for the hell of it" Joker. The reason everyone says Ledger stole the show (the movie primarily focused on The Joker anyhow) is because his portrayal was practically right out of the books. If you've never read any of the books, scan through one of the many times Batman goes up against him and compare the many personalities the Joker has; he can range from being completely defenseless and rather dumb, to a downright lethal maniac who only wants people to smile...for all the wrong reasons.
 
It now has a tentative release date of July 20th, 2012.

In other comic book news, Spider-man is being rebooted.

Why? Do directors in Hollywood lack any and all known creative thinking/skills now? :odd:
 
Considering the frequency at which characters are rebooted in the printed comic book world, it shouldn't be that large of a surprise. Chances are that once the Nolan arc is completed with Batman, Warner will look to find another way to tell the same basic story.

Personally, I'm not entirely offended with the reboot of Spider-Man given the absurdity of the third film. But, it was more about money than anything else for Sony on that one. If Rami would have stayed on, Malcovitch was going to be The Vulture, and that would have been totally rad. Sticking just with the Marvel reboots, they're doing it to fix some of their previous "mistakes" as well. Clean up the story, the continuity, and eventually we can see Disney-Marvel control some IPs that exist in a single universe that, frankly, I could never see Warner-DC ever competing with.
 
Considering the frequency at which characters are rebooted in the printed comic book world, it shouldn't be that large of a surprise. Chances are that once the Nolan arc is completed with Batman, Warner will look to find another way to tell the same basic story.

Personally, I'm not entirely offended with the reboot of Spider-Man given the absurdity of the third film. But, it was more about money than anything else for Sony on that one. If Rami would have stayed on, Malcovitch was going to be The Vulture, and that would have been totally rad. Sticking just with the Marvel reboots, they're doing it to fix some of their previous "mistakes" as well. Clean up the story, the continuity, and eventually we can see Disney-Marvel control some IPs that exist in a single universe that, frankly, I could never see Warner-DC ever competing with.

It's not the re-telling that I have a problem with; it's the re-telling of a story after three movies that bugs me. There were enough options for seventeen movies before the very thought of rebooting anything should have came to mind.

But enough about that, because I don't know how many more times I can sit through (or read) Peter getting bitten by the same spider, under the same circumstances...at the same time of day. :lol: Moving on...I really didn't like the way Venom was handled, and the symbiote itself. Mary Jane throwing a cinder block at him, and it actually hit him - are you kidding me? :odd:

There's a lot of likenesses that DC has that has far more depth than a lot of Marvel characters. I love comic books in general, but for the most part Marvel is nothing but a universe with cosmic entities. I'm not saying DC doesn't have cosmic entities as well, but there's a greater variety of story-bound characters.
 
I just read an article today over at The Escapist by their resident movie reviewer, Movie Bob (Chipman).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/moviebob/7547-Three-Reasons-for-Robin

He is trying to push his idea that he feels it is time for Robin to be introduced into the Nolan version of Batman. It is a three-page article, so I won't quote it, but he may have actually changed my mind, if it is done correctly. He bases his thesis on three main reasons:
  1. He Belongs There
  2. He Makes Sense
  3. Dark is Dead

Back when he first mentioned it during his review for The Losers I immediately thought of Batman & Robin and shivered. Then I pictured the Adam West version, and shivered more, even though he fit that perfectly.

But reading Bob's commentary here made me look at it differently. The old show was campy all over, and that made it great and Robin fit. With Batman & Robin it was obvious the series was suffering from much more than Robin.

Now, I don't agree with Robin belonging in this version of Batman. This is the ultimately dark Batman with no personal ties of any kind. It just gets messy. But the other two do make sense to me.

He Makes Sense - After the end of TDK we have Batman as a fugitive. He cannot redeem himself on his own easily to continue to stand as the symbol of doing good in a corrupt city. But someone else can. To preserve that image of Harvey Dent is why Batman made that sacrifice. But Dent is dead or presumed dead. No more hero. Enter Robin. A new hero in the image of Batman, only with a clean slate. Heck, he could even be mistaken for Batman at first. In TDK we saw the Batman wannabes already.

Dark is Dead - I don't take this the same way Bob means it. Dark is dead for Bruce Wayne. It must be. Bruce Wayne, having to avoid his alter ego as much as possible, is publicly seen mourning the loss of his childhood friend, and possible love, as well as the loss of his new found public icon whom he publicly supported both financially and verbally. Wayne begins to take on a philanthropic role in order to set up his secret identity as the new symbol of hope, while playing Batman just enough to stop the escapees from Arkham in order to help Gordon. But he is constantly hindered by law enforcement despite the best efforts of Gordon. While playing philanthropist he is introduced to a young orphan who lost his parents, similar to how he did. At first it is just part of his role, but he sees too much of his own dark anger in this boy.


Now whether Robin first emerges as a wannabe hero to be discovered after Bruce takes in the young boy, or whether Bruce puts him through similar training to his own after realizing this boy has the same dark feelings as himself is really a matter of how the story plays out.



What do you guys think? Preferably after reading Movie Bob's article and not just my take on it, do you think that the Nolan Batman has room for a Robin, a proper Robin? The same Robin who became the hero Nightwing and now wears the cowl in the comics, or even one similar to what we have seen in the Batman Beyond relationship?

Basically, before you answer, if you are unfamiliar with the full Dick Grayson storyline I am asking you to forget everything you have ever seen in a non-comic format. I am asking you if there is room for the man that eventually becomes this:

batman-battle-for-cowl1.jpg


Heck, they could even follow the Tim Drake story because I similarly don't have an issue with the guy that chooses, and proves he can do it to Batman, to become Robin and eventually now this:

Red_Robin_Drake.jpg
 
I'm open to the idea if Nolan can make the entire notion of Robin plausible in the realistic universe that he has created. The idea holds a lot of water, particularly with the way in which the comics have been going lately, but I'm not sure how they would be able to pull it off in the film. I would think they would want and older, more serious Robin compared to what we have seen before. I guess that without knowing what the grand idea is for the third movie, yeah, its just hard seeing it happening.

I'm interested to see how they make this (possibly) work versus what Disney does with Captain America. But even then, I see Cap being a pretty serious/somewhat dark film anyway.
 
I'm open to the idea if Nolan can make the entire notion of Robin plausible in the realistic universe that he has created. The idea holds a lot of water, particularly with the way in which the comics have been going lately, but I'm not sure how they would be able to pull it off in the film. I would think they would want and older, more serious Robin compared to what we have seen before. I guess that without knowing what the grand idea is for the third movie, yeah, its just hard seeing it happening.

I can't think of a better way to put it.

I wonder if there will be any hints of the Oracle, even a feint one that you'd have to watch again and again to even notice it. I'd like that. Other then that, I'm also open to the idea, but whomever should play Dick, or even Tim for that matter has to be an unknown actor.
 
The second film could have been improved upon in many areas. First and foremost: greater focus on a singular character, rather than dividing their efforts and our attentions onto two villains (Ekhart, Ledger). The dynamic of Ekhart's character, IMO, should have been an arch and a background element that eventually comes to the fore from the first through to the second or third films.

In that regard, too, the film could have been shorter; this doesn't necessarily make the film better per se, but it does help to cut down on bloat, force them to focus the narrative, and above all be more decisive in their use of characters.

This saga, in its incarnation, had great potential—and it still does. The thematic elements of the films were admittedly more fanciful in Batman Begins than in The Dark Knight—the key to making each one a success would have been in making them thematically contiguous, but unique enough in each narrative that the films could stand independently, whilst being related enough not to exist without cause.

The greatest challenge to producing a saga, rather than a single narrative, is justifying its' existence. Why make 3 or 4 when one could suffice? What is it about these three films that depend on each other to stand up? What are we being told that we haven't heard before, and most importantly, what does it matter in relation to the rest of the films?

These are some of the things Nolan Bros. et al. will have to examine in order to make this trilogy truly worthwhile.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Matrix Trilogy?
 
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