The Fastest Production Car?

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Not just the AWD, you see the Veyron is faster than both from 100mph-200mph, traction won't really be an issue then, the Veyron is just astonishingly fast. The CCX and the Veyron are not really comparable though, as you said, since one aims more to be the ultimate road legal racer, and the other aims to be the ultime GT.
 
Um, can't the Veyron spin it's tires at 150?

I'm quite certain I recall reading that if you mash the gas at 150, the traction control light flickers madly, I'd guess the Saleen or CCX would be more than capable of spinning their tires at 100+ too. The AWD will play a major role in acceleration up until about 200 mph, when Aero and sheer horsepower versus gearing take over entirely.
 
I've read that you can give the Veyron a hell of a lot of power off the line and it hardly loses traction and I've read that on more than one occasion by more than one source. It would take some flawed thinking to build a car and leave it so it can spin it's wheels at 150mph, that's stupidly dangerous. Some very, very powerful car's have been known to spin there wheels at 100mph and thereabout's but like I said, traction isn't an issue at thoes speeds since that will only happen when cruising in a low power band and then suddenly hammering the car into a high power band.

If your a driver that's even remotely capable of driving powerful car's you will have no traction worries over 100mph at all in the CCX and the Veyron, Clarkson didn't in the video oin post 1, he took it over 200mph down the runway, which is a hell of a lot faster than any car has ever reached down there, so he was giving it the beans, he only spun when he tried to stop :lol:.
 
The Veyron really shouldn't count in stuff like this, Volkswagon hacked the gamefiles and used the "Infinite Funds" code. Let's see what would happen if Bill Gates backed Saleen or Koenigsegg, and even better, didn't say "it has to look like that, have this much power, and go this fast."
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Yeah except that VAG didnt build the veyron for topspeed in mind as such.

I'm also just going off common sense here, but it seems to me that a car that weighs a thousand or more pounds LESS than the Veyron with the same HP should match it in top speed, given gearing and room, and only loses on Accel due to the huge traction advantage of the AWD system.
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CCX

Power 601.0 kw / 806 bhp @ 6900 rpm
hp per litre 171.49 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 683.05 bhp per tonne
torque 920 nm / 678.6 ft lbs @ 5700 rpm
transmission Specially Developed 6-Speed Manual
top speed 394.3 kph / 245 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.2 seconds
drag 0.3 Cd


Veyron

power 646.5 kw / 987 bhp @ 6000 rpm
hp per litre 125.25 bhp per litre
bhp/weight power to weight ratio of 513.3 hp per ton
torque 1250 nm / 922.0 ft lbs @ 2200-5500 rpm
transmission 7-Speed DSG
top speed 407.2 kph / 253 mph
0 - 60 mph 2.5 seconds


Monterey, California - After years of ridicule, the first Bugatti Veyron supercar has hit the road as the fastest. Bugatti has little to be embarrassed about, since the 16/4 - first seen on the streets of Monterey in August of 2005- is very similar to the extreme proposals made at the 2001 Frankfurt Auto Show that critics deemed unachievable.

Its said to pull as hard as a C6 Z06 at 100MPH when its at 186MPH

However, after the car had made production, Murray went on to write an article for another UK auto magazine, Top Gear conceding a lot of his past resentment of the car. "One really good thing, and I simply never expected this, is that it does change direction. It hardly feels its weight. Driving it on a circuit I expected a sack of cement, but you can really throw it at tight chicanes" He also declared in the article that: "The braking is phenomenal," "The primary ride and body control are good too" and "It's a huge achievement."

The trend of backtracking on negative comments about the Veyron continued when prominent UK car show host Jeremy Clarkson declared that it was "The best car ever made" after initially saying it was ridiculous and would never exist on motoring show Top Gear.
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So there we have it. The CCX has a much better power to weight ratio (nearly 200hp advantage) yet the veyron is faster in every possible way. Really I dont see how people doubt the engineering quality of this car.
 
They did, they just linked top speed with a number of other objectives, but top speed was a definite requirement, it just had to look like it does, have all the features it has and go that fast as well.
 
Considering that the Veyron can still get the traction control engaged at 150, and all I've heard is that up until about 3rd gear, the traction control is blinking constantly, I can only imagine what a better car would do if it wasn't traction limited.

Note: Better meaning lighter and RWD, I mean you'd have to be blind to ignore that the Veyrons silly acceleration numbers are solely due to the AWD expertise from Audi and the non-overly invasive Traction Control.
 
Well, I dissagree, I think the Veyron simply beats the other car's hands down, even if you gave the CCX traction control, it wou;dn't accelerate as fast as the Veyron at any speed.
 
The veyron doesnt use much audi awd expertise as its running a haldex setup for safety reasons ie it will understeer rather than oversteer, although with all its power it can be manipulated to do donouts.
 
what about the Koenigsigg...... CCX they had on top gear? That hits 250mph apparently, and you can tune that to give 900bhp with Bio-ethanol and that should go even faster. It weighs 1000kg so it should have a good chance. All these maufactorures need to go somewhere and belt them down a 5 mile straight. The we'll see which is the fastest. the faster car in the world in the Guiness book of world records is the koenigsigg but it didn't say what it topped out at! but i would rather have my TVR Speed 12 from GT4, 1,136bhp with Nos, it reached (at the rev limiter) 251mph, at just under 1000bhp, so what will me changes make? it also has a great big wing though...
 
It won't go faster with more power, it's need to be taken back to Koenigsegg to have a different gearbox fitted. The CCX hasn't been driven at 250mph btw, that's just where it peaks in 6th when you do the sum's. And the Guiness biook of records you looked at is out of date now, because it's officially the Veyron.

And the Speed 12 irl is not the same as the Speed 12 in GT4, although if you put a wing on the one in GT4 your making it closer to the real life one.
 
Again, the Veyron is an impressive engineering accomplishment, because it's very much a triumph of machine over physics itself.

If you fit a CCX with AWD, it would probably go up to around 3000 lbs.

Turn the boost up on those twin superchargers a little, and run it on that Bio fuel, it should hit the 1k horsepower number pretty easily, and with the power running to all 4 wheels, I really find it hard to believe a car 1000 lbs lighter wouldn't accelerate harder than the Veyron.

Not that I'd want it with AWD, the rawness of RWD requires you to know what you're doing when you drive it, where the Veyron is another speed appliance, yeah, its the top of the line speed appliance, but my girlfriend could probably hit 253 with enough road, and she doesn't even have her license yet.
 
I'm not saying it's impossible to get a car to accelerate as fast as the Veyron, but what were going into now, is pretty extensive modifications of the CCX to in theory get it to match the Veyron by both giving it 4wd and more power. My argument that even with 4wd the CCX wouldn't match the Veyron's acceleration is purely based on everything else about the car being the same as it is.
 
I dunno about that.

I guarantee Traction is the biggest limiting factor for the CCX.

It's got what, 630 hp/ton?

2600 lbs, 4000 lbs

More power for the CCX is just a matter of tuning the engine to run on higher octane fuel, that really isn't extensive modifications, more like tweaks.

Getting more boost out of the superchargers is a matter of swapping maybe two parts out per.

Unfortunately, if you did that, well, You wouldn't really be getting the power down without race tires.

The Veyron isn't magic, it uses brute force channeled through all four tires, same reason an Evo can keep up with a Ferrari.

The problem is, at a certain point RWD only cars need a lot of downforce, or otherwise that rolling resistance problem turns into a lack of rolling resistance problem, for the back tires, and they just spin.

Remember the Speed 12, and how it was utterly undriveable until the huge wing and aero mods were applied to it?
 
The Speed 12 was never utterly undrivable, it was driven in TopGear magazine by Tiff Needel back in 2000 and he loved it and was hammering it around Silverstone, it just wasn't usable as a road car. The Speed 12 already did have huge downforce at the back as well, it was all underbody though much like the Ferrari Enzo's has a lot of downforce but it's all underbody. The reason it now has the bodywork it does have, is because the original body got destroyed and rather than build a new one, they put the body of one of the then disused GTS racers on it. Sure it now has more downforce, which will help it, but it was drivable before and it's drivable after, it was and still is just completely ridiculous as a road car.
 
Driveable by a professional on race tires.

On street tires that much torque would just spin the wheels to the rims.

Hence me saying it's undriveable, just likea CCX or S7TT, you stick them on race tires in professional hands, feel free to crank the boost up and push out 1k hp, he can handle it.
 
No, Tiff drove it on road tyre's. But really no one but a professional should ever even attempt to push a true supercar hard. Anyone can drive a Speed 12, it's just a case of not pressing the accelerator hard and when going into first gear, lifting the clutch at idle. Ofcousre, not everyone can overcome the temptation to give a car more power, (the car is only as dangerous as the person behind the wheel, provided it's mechanically sound ofcourse). The guy that owns the Speed 12 isn't a professional driver, and he has given the car a run around Silverstone a few times.
 
lol the ccx comes with race tires as does the venom TT and Im sure so does the saleen. As for the evo vs ferrari and brute force comment the evo will keep up untill around 120mph, then the ferrari's off.

Also you can run the veyron on race fuel and that will give you alot more of a power boost than the ccx would get from race fuel
 
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Driveable by a professional on race tires.

On street tires that much torque would just spin the wheels to the rims.

Hence me saying it's undriveable, just likea CCX or S7TT, you stick them on race tires in professional hands, feel free to crank the boost up and push out 1k hp, he can handle it.
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Peter Wheeler - ex boss of TVR and the brains behind the Speed 12 has used the Speed 12 on the road - so therefore it must have had treaded road tyres. L4S might be able to confirm this better than i can remember, but i'm sure Martin Brundle tested the Speed 12 at Croft in 'road' spec with road tyres - i think it was in a article in EVO mag.
 
It's been driven on the road a few times with and without the GTS racer's bodywork, the car was driven in TopGear back in 2000, they drove it to Silverstone, then round the circuit. It was on road tyre's, recently it was tested in Evo both at Silverstone and on the road, however, in the Evo test it had pretty worn slick tyre's on for the track this is the only time the car had slick tyre's fitted in a published test, but the road tyre's were fitted after so they could take it out onto the street, which they did. And also TheCraker is right, Martin Brundle tested the car as well.
 
Having just read up upon the speed 12 I reckon if anything was to beat the veyron it would be it. Lighter than the ccx and about 200 extra horses could possible be whats needed to show up the veyron.

I dont see why you guys reckon the ccx is a pure and raw racecar though, as racecars have downforce and meant to go around tracks quickly, the ccx doest for the segment its competing in. A real raw race car is the speeed 12.
 

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