The Ford-Mazda Civil War (?)

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This was an odd surprise that I ended up stumbling across earlier this afternoon, something that I wouldn't have expected otherwise. Big story to follow...

Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News
Ever since Ford Motor Co. said it would sell its controlling stake in Japan's Mazda Motor Corp. in November, the two automakers have insisted that their close, collaborative relationship will not change.

The reality is more complex.

Behind the scenes, walls are going up in Hiroshima and Dearborn. Ford employees have been instructed to stop sharing confidential information with their Mazda colleagues, while Mazda has barred Ford staff from attending some meetings.

Many of these moves are driven by antitrust concerns. Still, they raise questions about how close the two companies can remain, and that could have implications for product development at Ford and Mazda.

"They've had a very symbiotic relationship," said analyst Jim Hall of 2953 Analytics LLP in Birmingham. "The risk for Ford is they lose Mazda's small car expertise," Hall said. "They think they can make it up with Europe, but Mazda can do it cheaper.

"The biggest risk to Mazda is their ability to get components on a global basis is reduced because their volumes are so low."

There are other risks, too. Mazda is already exploring opportunities to chart its own course in China, which could put it in direct competition with its former parent in a key emerging market. And many in Japan wonder how much Mazda can do without Ford's backing, particularly with the notoriously hands-on Japanese banks taking a new interest in the automaker's affairs after buying shares from Ford. "The thing that Ford gives Mazda, historically, is capital -- and that keeps the Japanese banks off its back," Hall said. "Now, the banks are a major shareholder."

Add to this the continuing weakness in the global auto market, and the challenges facing Mazda become clear.

Mazda, which began 2008 with record sales, is being hit hard by the global economic downturn. The increasing strength of the yen is a particular liability, given its focus on the U.S. market, according to analyst Takaki Nakanishi of JPMorgan. "The company has already announced that it will cut 1,500 of the 1,800 temporary factory-floor jobs at its (Japanese) production sites by the end of January," he said. "We expect conditions to slide to the point at which it will have to make a difficult decision on whether or not to downsize still further."

In its home market, Mazda is eclipsed by Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. But it has carved out a niche as a manufacturer of sporty cars and crossovers. It also has realigned its business model to focus on the North American market.

Mazda did that by leveraging Ford's global scale. Their alliance dates back to 1969, when the two companies launched a joint-venture to produce automatic transmissions. Ten years later, Ford acquired a 25 percent stake in its struggling Japanese partner, ultimately increasing that investment to a controlling stake in a bid to save Mazda from financial collapse in the 1990s.

Now, Ford is the one in financial trouble, which forced the Dearborn automaker to sell most of its stake in Mazda for about $540 million.

Ford remains the largest single shareholder in the Japanese car company, retaining a stake of just over 13 percent. That is enough to keep a seat on Mazda's board, but not enough to guide Mazda policy.

Executives at both companies insist the close collaboration will continue.

Derrick Kuzak, Ford's head of global product development, told The Detroit News that he is still having monthly meetings with his counterpart at Mazda.

"We have changed the ownership, but our intention is to continue to learn from each other," he said. "It's clear how much we at Ford value the partnership with Mazda."

Kuzak acknowledged that Ford has borrowed much from Mazda in the form of vehicle platforms, as well as design and engineering processes. But he said Ford has evolved those and will continue to develop them independent of Mazda.

But that independence cuts both ways. While Ford and Mazda still have a joint venture in China Chang'an Automobile Co., Mazda has its own alliance with the far stronger First Automotive Group Corp. That is the same company that Toyota partners with in China, as well as Volkswagen AG.

Mazda has never really been able to leverage that relationship because of its commitments to Ford, but Hall said that could change quickly.

"Mazda doesn't have Ford's name, but they could definitely be a competitor," he said.Mazda says it is eager to continue its relationship with Ford -- one that has also provided much needed powertrains.

"It has been the most successful alliance in automotive history," said Jim O'Sullivan, president of Mazda North America, who pointed out that the two companies still operate several joint ventures around the world, including the Auto Alliance International plant in Flat Rock. "These relationships remain unchanged, and they will continue."

Other relationships have changed, including O'Sullivan's. Like several Mazda executives in North America, he was still a Ford employee -- until Dec. 31. He now works for Mazda.

It is an unfortunate development, as this is an alliance that I began to fall in love with a few years back. But, as someone pointed out on GMI earlier today, Ford has learned so much from their partnerships with Mazda and Volvo that they're beginning to stand on their own... To the point where they [Ford] don't need them. It isn't exactly a "good" news story, but its indicative of what could happen in the near future. Ford has a slew of excellent new products coming out from their Ford Europe subsidiaries, with little or no influence from the Mazda engineers, and with these models beginning to be integrated into the North American market (see Fusion story, next Focus, Fiesta introduction, etc), yeah...
 
So Ford is now done dealing with the company that helped them make cars worth owning.

The American Big Three are going down in flames at this rate. Though Ford still has the best chance to live thanks to For Europe.
 
I'm not sure anyone would let the relationship get bad, given how much each company has helped the other. In recent times the 2, 3 and 6 and their Ford counterparts have benefitted massively from the expertise from both companies, and then there have been long-running partnerships such as the Mazda B-series/rest-of-world Ford Ranger.

YSSMAN, Re your point above, I wasn't clear on what you meant about the Fiesta? That's a model that obviously has a lot in common with the Mazda counterpart, so in that respect Mazda does have concern invested in the US market, even if they don't sell the 2 there. And the 3 shares a lot with the Focus.
 
The Focus is almost exactly a 3. While the steering is completely different (Ford has better steering and calibrations... Mazda's is generically electric) and each company puts their own heads and ECUs on the motors, you can take any number of parts meant for the 3 and slap them on the Focus. Engine blocks, transmissions, suspension, brakes (well, swap over the entire hub...).

The big problem for Ford is that while their German arm is good at engineering excellent small and medium sized cars (first generation Focus, old Mondeo), the costs of these cars and their tooling is actually higher than for the Mazda3. And the ability to compete at the cheap end of the market may ultimately decide Ford's fate.
 
YSSMAN, Re your point above, I wasn't clear on what you meant about the Fiesta? That's a model that obviously has a lot in common with the Mazda counterpart, so in that respect Mazda does have concern invested in the US market, even if they don't sell the 2 there. And the 3 shares a lot with the Focus.

My point was that it appears as though Ford Europe (and to a greater extent, Ford NA) are learning enough where they can stand on their own without having to constantly search out the nearest Volvo or Mazda tech to help them design their next car, crossover, or whatever else comes up next on their planning scale.
 
Ah right. Well my point still stands then, in that I'd suspect a lot of the development work for the new Fiesta had Mazda engineers behind it. From the articles I'd read running up to the release of both cars, it was Mazda's initiative that the car should be light-weigt, for example. Given that it's a significant attribute of both cars, there must be a fair bit of Mazda influence.
 
Isn't this what the news do every year? They come up with a bunch of hype about one of the companies so more people come and check it out? Then what happens? There was never a problem and they continue on their normal lives. What's new! You can't believe everything the so-called news say.
 
What's going to happen to Mazda? They're a pretty small company, so I'm guessing that they still rely on Ford quite a bit. Will they be able to stand very long by themselves without Ford's input or financial help?
 
What's going to happen to Mazda? They're a pretty small company, so I'm guessing that they still rely on Ford quite a bit. Will they be able to stand very long by themselves without Ford's input or financial help?

hopefully they'll stay around, i've been a Mazda fan for ages.
 
Does Mazda have their own fabrication plants or do they rely on Ford factories to build their products?
 
Well taking the 2 as an example, Mazda builds it in Hiroshima and Hofu in Japan. The equivalent Fiestas, which differ in most ways save the platform, are built in Germany and Spain. The Mazda 3 is built in Japan and Colombia, and the Focus on a similar platform appears to be built everywhere but Japan and Colombia. I'd assume then for most cases that Mazda have their own factories. Not only that, but apart from a few units, I think Mazda and Ford have completely different engines, so even those must be built in their own factories.
 
I think the last time a Mazda and Ford were built on the same line was the Ford Probe and MX-6, because other than that, I can't think of a single one that would work together. The M6/Fusion came to mind, and then I remembered that the Fusion is built in Mexico... Not Michigan, like the M6.

...Although, I think they're building the Mustangs at Flat Rock now. Weird.
 
Ford-Mazda products are built so that you can mount the same engines in both cars. Both companies do their own fettling, and even if they use the exact same engine, they might use different engine management computers, but a Ford Fiesta will take a Mazda2 engine if Ford doesn't have an engine in the right size range for the market.

Technically, Volvo could do this also, for their platform-shared cars. Indeed the Focus ST is a Volvo T5 engine. My Mazda FS-DE has the Ford logo embossed in the aluminum valve cover.

So, even if they aren't making things in the same factory, a lot of the parts are made from the same engineering specs.

Isn't this what the news do every year? They come up with a bunch of hype about one of the companies so more people come and check it out? Then what happens? There was never a problem and they continue on their normal lives. What's new! You can't believe everything the so-called news say.

Yup. Let's hype the companies by telling the world how much the legal separation is hurting them, despite them still having feelings for each other and vowing to work together for the children's sakes. They can't see eye to eye in the workplace, and dinner at home is an awkward silence. Ford sleeps on the couch while Mazda goes out late at night to clubs flirting with rich Chinese businessmen.

Moved by the very human drama of this story, people vow to support the estranged couple in this time of difficulty by buying their products to try to cheer them up.

Not.

No amount of boo-hoo news about trying and failing has helped GM or Chrysler sell anything.
 
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