The handling of cars w/ wheel and controller

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I'm playing with a DS3, and while I do feel a difference between the cars' handling, it's not THAT different. Sure, some oversteer and some understeer, some are stiffer etc. but it's not a big deal going from one car to another.

I've driven a great many cars, and when I read how people love the different vehicles and I try them out myself, I'm not feeling it. I use no aids accept ABS 1.

This brings me to my question: Compared to the controller, is there a remarkable difference in feel from car to car when using a wheel?
 
HUGE difference. I was getting bored with the game with the DS3 but now with the G27, I can't stop playing it. The car's tune ( or lack of) is much more evident with the wheel since you'll now front load the tires more easily.
 
With the DS3, it's a GAME.

With a wheel setup, it's a SIM.

Big difference.
 
Oh there's definitely differences. If you haven't tried using a wheel, try to borrow one or play with your buddy that has one. You can feel the difference from the get go.
 
Every car has it's own character. You can feel weight transfer and anticipate it's effects. You learn to appreciate just what a smooth ride is.
 
Derrict
HUGE difference. I was getting bored with the game with the DS3 but now with the G27, I can't stop playing it. The car's tune ( or lack of) is much more evident with the wheel since you'll now front load the tires more easily.
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Huge is right. I ended up buying a 42 inch HDTV, a stand, and a table just to put the whole mess in the basement for a permanent setup. I don't play it with the controller anymore, after playing GT3 and GT4 only with the controller. GT5 was with the contoller until April, but...I am hooked!
 
GTShadowKing
It's always a game mate...
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I disagree. Flight simulators on a ocmputer are a game. A flight simulator is a simulator, even though the computer game says it is one too. I worked on flight sims for a major airline for 11 years and having real controls makes a huge difference. You can't simulate the g-forces at all with a wheel (other than the FF) but, it has taken the game from something I had started to back way off from playing, to, 'I am going to go race for awhile!' Instead of feeling I am playing, I feel as if I am racing.

Ok, I see a point-- no chance at physical injuries or finacial ruin if you destroy your car, so it is a game. But a much, much different game with the wheel.
 
I love it with the wheel, you forget it's a game real easy. The feel car to car is more pronounced for sure. The FF is awesome gives you new perspective on taking corners. Oddly though the triggers for throttle and brakes is just as good as the DFGT (maybe I'm just good at it, I dunno) I hear the G2X wheels have better pedal feel but not by much. Where it's seriously different is turning. 900 degrees rotation is awesome!!!
 
There is a massive difference in my experience.

You can be more precise with a steering wheel.
 
The one thing I have found with the difference between the 2 is that if you want quick transition between throttle and brake with continued precision a wheel is better, for car correction a pad is better. With a wheel you do get a more of a 'involved' feel and a better overall feeling of game play out of it.

(On a different note) The controller sensitivity has meant a much lower time difference between the 2 controls, which is good and allowed a much more competitive feel. There's about 2 tenths - 3 tenths between the 2 (From what I've found really).
 
The difference is enormous as others have said. One of the biggest thrills for me is the wonderful sense of mass that PD programed into the FFB for the wheels. They've done a great job of translating the weight of the car into forces in the wheel. As a result the difference in man-handling a heavy muscle car around the track as opposed to a light car is HUGE. Taking a corner in a heavy car with a high center of gravity requires a whole different approach than the light aero cars. Using a good wheel will transform this game dramatically. Although you should expect to find it a bit tougher with a wheel at first because you will have many more senses to drive by. As far as I'm concerned the only driving game I ever play with a controller is Grand Theft Auto and Burnout: Paradise City. Every other game gets the full wheel and high def TV treatment for me.
 
I borrowed a wheel and wanted it to transform my game, it's a great feeling using it and the cars seem to perform differently, after about 20 hours I couldn't get the performance of the pad and was extremely frustrated how long the car takes to get back on track after spinning out. Have gone back to the pad now as I'm grinding at the moment and the wheels costing me, sure will use it again if I dont have to give it back.
 
My fantastic girlfriend bought me a G27 for our anniversary. I've been playing since GT3 using the D-Pad and thought I was okay, but I always wanted a good wheel setup. The first week or was a huge learning period, but after a few weeks I'll never look back. It multiplied my interest in the game tenfold.

Put it this way....I got GT5 December 26th. With the D-pad I played until January 27th and reached level 7. I stopped playing completely until I received the Logitech. Picked up the wheel on June 2nd and since then I'm at level 25 and dying to play every day.

It's a totally different dynamic, and in my opinion is the way the game is meant to be played.
 
As the majority have said... it's a completely different game. I tried to unplug the DFGT for a moment and play with the DS3, and I cant understand how people can stand it without a wheel.
 
TimBoss351
I disagree. Flight simulators on a ocmputer are a game. A flight simulator is a simulator, even though the computer game says it is one too. I worked on flight sims for a major airline for 11 years and having real controls makes a huge difference. You can't simulate the g-forces at all with a wheel (other than the FF) but, it has taken the game from something I had started to back way off from playing, to, 'I am going to go race for awhile!' Instead of feeling I am playing, I feel as if I am racing.

Ok, I see a point-- no chance at physical injuries or finacial ruin if you destroy your car, so it is a game. But a much, much different game with the wheel.
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Well stated.
 
Baggy Spandex
My fantastic girlfriend bought me a G27 for our anniversary. I've been playing since GT3 using the D-Pad and thought I was okay, but I always wanted a good wheel setup. The first week or was a huge learning period, but after a few weeks I'll never look back. It multiplied my interest in the game tenfold.

Put it this way....I got GT5 December 26th. With the D-pad I played until January 27th and reached level 7. I stopped playing completely until I received the Logitech. Picked up the wheel on June 2nd and since then I'm at level 25 and dying to play every day.

It's a totally different dynamic, and in my opinion is the way the game is meant to be played.
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She sounds like a keeper!
 
I definitely prefer the wheel (DFGT) over the controller.It's extremely difficult to learn to drift with,I still can't(which is funny because I can drift IRL awesome with my Toyota)but racing is a blast,my only gripe is with my wheel you can't turn it to 200 degree steering :(
 
I don't know if there is a difference because I never have used the DS3 for Racing. Even with GT2 I bought a cheap wheel to play it. I'm not playing Forza in the 360 because I haven't found a wheel that I like for the Xbox.
 
Its not hard to do with a DS3. Ofcourse. I've never played with a wheel so I can compaire handling. But with the ds3 turn feels very unnatural and you can never tell how sharp your turning by just feeling it. You have to pay attention and get used to it overcorrecting a lot when your drifting and turn to the outside of the turn to.hold the drift.
 
mclarendriver
Its not hard to do with a DS3. Ofcourse. I've never played with a wheel so I can compaire handling. But with the ds3 turn feels very unnatural and you can never tell how sharp your turning by just feeling it. You have to pay attention and get used to it overcorrecting a lot when your drifting and turn to the outside of the turn to.hold the drift.
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Try a wheel. Even if it's a cheap one. I got a $40 gameshark/madcatz wheel from a friend for my birthday. No FFB, Pedals aren't great, 10° dead zone, and the wheel tilts slightly left, and I have to put it in my lap because I don't have a wheel setup. Sure, it's not the best wheel, but let me put it this way...

Got GT5 on December 26th. Played with a friend at my house for a few days. Got to level 14. Played every single day for a week.
January 1- Played GT5 more like once every two weeks...
February- Once a month?
March- Saw some videos on youtube, decided to try to get back into GT5. Got to level 24 and the faster cars were tons of fun.
April- Once every now and then.
May- Decided to bring out the wheel. Didn't like it with GT5p, thought I wouldn't like it with GT5. Turned off SRF and Driving Line while I was at it too. I've been playing every day ever since then. It completely changes the experience. I constantly find myself grinding Eifel K with a DS3 because I don't want to deal with getting the wheel on my lap for a few hours, but as soon as I buy that brand new LMP, I pick up the wheel and take it to Sarthe. Best part of the game for me.
 
A huge difference, especially if your using a G27 or other wheel with a clutch
 
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