The Historic 'C' Class Race Series - Final Pre-season test!

[Tyre King]

Welcome one and all to the final testing session before we start this series off in a fortnight or so's time.
The entry list has filled up somewhat, and we hope to attract more racers as we go along.
If you wish to enter, just post your details in the thread and we'll add you to the list. (format below)

Race Settings:
Arcade Mode - Single Race - Deep Forest (FWD)
AI @ +10 difficulty & Racing Medium tyres
STRONG tyre wear - 15 laps - Penalties set to: Speed Limiter
Tyres: Front: RM's only, Rear: RM's or RH's only
Aids: TCS is optional

General Rules:
Standard OLR Rules apply
2 wheels on track at all times (rumble strips are classed as track)
No wall contact, no cheating, no hybrids etc, etc
Always stay within the 'spirit' of the rules

Specific Rules:
AI contact is allowed, but NO penalties are allowed
The concrete outside of the rumble strips is NOT classed as track.
(Specifically the large slab on the left before the 1st tunnel, and on the left in the 1st tunnel)


Car - Weight/HP Limits - PTWR
Jag - 894Kg / 951Hp - 1.064
R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp - 1.060
R92CP-900Kg / 958Hp - 1.064
88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp - 1.065
C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp - 1.018
787 - 805Kg / 815Hp - 1.012
905 - 750Kg / 918Hp - 1.224

Test Duration:
Until Sunday 8th July, or when Phil and I think that the balance of the cars is finally right, whichever comes first.

Please PM your final, fastest time for your chosen car to myself or ERacer before the deadline.


You are free, in-fact actively encouraged, to discuss ALL times, including lap times and final times.
(except your fastest time in your chosen car, if you want to keep it secret)
This will help us to get the balance right between these vastly different cars.
You are also encouraged to give details on tyre-wear, handling, and anything else relating to the test (including suggested fixes to performance etc).
Please drive as many of the cars as you feel like, if you just stick to the car you have picked that's OK too.
But above all, have fun.

Please remember, that this is the first series either I or Phil have tried to run. So if we make a mistake or there is a problem, please, no flaming.
Just PM either of us and we will sort it out ASAP.​

Let's have at it!

Neil (Tyre King) & Phil (ERacer)


Entry format:
Name:
Team:
Teammate:
Car:
Car Number:
Sponsor:

 

[Tyre King]

*reserved for results*

 

[ERacer]

Excellent layout and re-introduction Tyre King! 👍

All - jump into as many of these incredible high performance marvels as you feel like and push them to their limits! This should be a fun series! 👍

 

[RACECAR]

Wow, there are alot more entries then I thought. This will be a very competitive series.

 

[Tyre King]

If anyone's wondering why it's another 2 week test session? I'll explain my reasons for it.

1) These cars are vastly different in performance and handling, and we want to get the balancing of them right.
2) This may be another two track test, so a week each track is a reasonable schedule.
3) I'm gonna be VERY busy week after next, what with getting hitched on the 7th and the last minute panics (mainly Anne's panics I predict ) that will have to be handled.
4) I didn't want to have a race week up and running when I couldn't give it my best! As it is Phil will probably have to handle the results etc for the first race week, as I am away on honeymoon (if you can call a weekend watching bike racing in sunny Cheshire a honeymoon that is) over the weekend of 13-15th July.

Hope you all can bare with us, we have sort of had this dropped in our laps (not Nitro's fault) with things to sort out. And we want to do such a great idea for a series justice.
👍
Neil

 

[azevedojose]

Maybe I'm still a little not-sober from last night but I haven't seen any reference to the track

EDIT: never mind... already spotted it, but it was a hard job to.

 

[Tyre King]

I believe that is covered in..........wait for it.................
The Race Settings bit of the 1st post!

Not the general rules bit, nor the specific rules bit, but the Race Settings bit!

Strange that I should put that info there, huh?
If I need to put a big flashing arrow next to the track name, mate, just let me know, OK?

Neil

 

[ZOOSO]

DEL .. although finding it damned hard to get decent GT time these days .. 'RL' sucks sometimes .. is well and truely looking forward to more C CLASS racing .. will test all cars at Deep Forest >> one of his favourite tracks 👍

Best wishes to Neil and his better half .. and the honeymoon

 

[daddy-o]

First test:

opening lap on cold tires, 1'13.175
fast lap, 1'03.791
total time, 17'11.345


Tires lasted about 12 laps. I seem to remember that in GT2 or GT3 that the set-up from GT Mode carries over to Arcade Mode, does that occur in GT4? I will do a little further testing and report back.

EDIT*Yeah, well it doesn't arry over. I bet some of you already knew that!

 

[Tyre King]

Just so you guys know what's happening..

My main PC went t;ts-up yesterday afternoon!
Not sure if it's the main board or the main hard-drive, but basically it's buggered!

I have an engineer coming on Thursday sometime (thankfully I am one of those guys that knows enough about PC's, to understand the value of a 5 year on-site warranty)
So I should be firing on all cylinders by that night. (I'm using the foster-kids PC at the mo)

If it is the HDD that's gone, I am in it up to the arm-pits, as it holds ALL of the stuff I have downloaded (apps etc) AND all my stuff for the series (as well as my whole music collection, S1,2,3 of Atlantis, S7,8,9,10 of SG1, S2 & 3 of BSG)
If it's the mainboard that's gone (as I suspect) it'll all be fine.

Either way, I'll be up and running over the weekend, as I can get most of the stuff I need again from the same sources as before.

Just thought I would let you know what is going on, and say that any questions etc can be directed to ERacer if I am absent for a few days.

Also, got this PM,
Name:Avery GT
Team:Spherical Fado Racing
Teammate:gouzou,azevedojose
Car:Toyota 88C-V (that might change, i will let you know)
Car Number: 41

Welcome to the series mate, I'll add you to the entry list ASAP!

Neil

 

[Tyre King]

Yay!

My PC's back up and running, with only minor data loss (40Gb's of films on the second drive)
Thankfully, now't important was lost.

Back in the saddle!

Neil

 

[ZOOSO]

Car - Weight/HP Limits - PTWR
Jag - 894Kg / 951Hp - 1.064
R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp - 1.060
R92CP-900Kg / 958Hp - 1.064
88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp - 1.065
C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp - 1.018
787 - 805Kg / 815Hp - 1.012
905 - 750Kg / 918Hp - 1.224

Tested in order as below ; all cars ran RM/RH for 9 laps then RM/RM for the rest { speed set at 330 }

R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.530
Total : 16:13.551

C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp
Best Lap : 01:02.318
Total : 16:14.058

787 - 805Kg / 815Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.419
Total : 16:10.913

88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.736
Total : 16:19.432

Cool/worn tyres/tyre life .. counter steering : R89C and 88CV 👎 >> 787 and C9 👍
The 787 seems sluggish on RM/RH's , but more than makes up for it on RM/RM's { performs best of the 4 on RM/RM's .. tyre wear more or less even front/rear }
After the 1st stint in the 89C , the C9 was more responsive turning in , was easy to drive , yet the 89C was slightly faster overall .
IMO the 787 is too light and the 88CV is too heavy .

Will test the Jag and R92 tonight .. i hope .

 

[Tyre King]

Car - Weight/HP Limits - PTWR
Jag - 894Kg / 951Hp - 1.064
R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp - 1.060
R92CP-900Kg / 958Hp - 1.064
88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp - 1.065
C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp - 1.018
787 - 805Kg / 815Hp - 1.012
905 - 750Kg / 918Hp - 1.224

Tested in order as below ; all cars ran RM/RH for 9 laps then RM/RM for the rest { speed set at 330 }

R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.530
Total : 16:13.551

C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp
Best Lap : 01:02.318
Total : 16:14.058

787 - 805Kg / 815Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.419
Total : 16:10.913

88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.736
Total : 16:19.432

Cool/worn tyres/tyre life .. counter steering : R89C and 88CV 👎 >> 787 and C9 👍
The 787 seems sluggish on RM/RH's , but more than makes up for it on RM/RM's { performs best of the 4 on RM/RM's .. tyre wear more or less even front/rear }
After the 1st stint in the 89C , the C9 was more responsive turning in , was easy to drive , yet the 89C was slightly faster overall .
IMO the 787 is too light and the 88CV is too heavy .

Will test the Jag and R92 tonight .. i hope .

Nice!👍

Good testing there Marty!

The problem is, that these cars are so different in handling and performance that getting them all to be equal at each track is near impossible. We can make them all equal at Le Sarthe, minor tweak them at GV (as we have done), but they will still all perform different to each other on a track that is as bumpy as this one is.
That being said, I (and Phil) believe that over the season the track-to-track advantages will even themselves out, and there should not be any clear advantage to one car or another. (we hope! )

A second or two over 15 laps, where the driver is pushing each car to the limit, is basically 0.13x seconds difference per lap. So it's not a big deal really. On another track the roles may be reversed.....we'll see.

Neil

 

[ERacer]

Nice job testing Marty 👍

And your points regarding both the Mazda and Toyota are valid. It's a tough call as to what needs to be done now and in the long run. I am concerned about the Toyota's excessive tire wear and the Mazda seems to be a very different animal compared to the rest of the field.

Neil, I will be running these two cars through the woods this weekend and report back on Saturday. The other's seem fairly well on par with each other.

Laters,
Phil

 

[ZOOSO]

Car - Weight/HP Limits - PTWR
Jag - 894Kg / 951Hp - 1.064
R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp - 1.060
R92CP-900Kg / 958Hp - 1.064
88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp - 1.065
C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp - 1.018
787 - 805Kg / 815Hp - 1.012
905 - 750Kg / 918Hp - 1.224

Tested in order as below ; all cars ran RM/RH for 9 laps then RM/RM for the rest { speed set at 330 }

R89C - 900Kg / 954Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.530
Total : 16:13.551

C9 - 928Kg / 945Hp
Best Lap : 01:02.318
Total : 16:14.058

787 - 805Kg / 815Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.419
Total : 16:10.913

88CV - 850Kg / 906Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.736
Total : 16:19.432

Cool/worn tyres/tyre life .. counter steering : R89C and 88CV 👎 >> 787 and C9 👍
The 787 seems sluggish on RM/RH's , but more than makes up for it on RM/RM's { performs best of the 4 on RM/RM's .. tyre wear more or less even front/rear }
After the 1st stint in the 89C , the C9 was more responsive turning in , was easy to drive , yet the 89C was slightly faster overall .
IMO the 787 is too light and the 88CV is too heavy .

Will test the Jag and R92 tonight .. i hope .

R92CP-900Kg / 958Hp
Best Lap : 01:01.551
Total : 16:10.639

Cool/worn tyres:tdown: /tyre life 👎 👎 .. counter-steers better than the R89

Jag - 894Kg / 951Hp

Drove three laps and tossed it in .. sent it back to England whoever uses this car for the series has a disposition .

After testing at Deep Forest .. i'm reviewing Dels entry { more than likely going to use the C9 }

Could you change my team to RED ROCK RACING and sponsor to IBUPROFEN .. pls Neil/Phil

 

[ERacer]

For some reason I ran today's testing at 19 laps instead of the posted 15. So, I pitted twice in each car I tested today. Only managed four cars, again @ 19 laps and 2 pit stops. Final lap times:

Jag: 22'09.819
R92: 21'50.741
88C-V: 21'49.019
C9: 21'43.630

Will take the 787 through the woods tomorrow ... ehh ... today - it's Sunday here already.

But, so far, it feels like the C9 is outstanding in every aspect; very grippy, great acceleration and braking, not the best tire wear but in line with the other's. The Jag is still very tail-happy which slows me down but has good tire wear.

Will report back after taking out the 787.

Edit: 787 managed 21'44.014 plus best tire wear by far - lasted 9 laps before pitting. All the other's 6 - 7 laps.

Plus, managed to run the Jag one more time which yielded 21'49.240

Laters,
ERacer



EDIT:

Based upon posted test results to date, two cars stand out from the rest: the Sauber C9 and Mazda 787B.

The C9's strong point is stability. It corners exceptionally well, resulting in a quicker apex exit. At a heavy 928 Kg, the C9 maintains stability even under strong deceleration into the turns and even powerful acceleration produces no wheel spin. Tire wear was still very good at Deep Forrest - lasting 7 laps on RM/RM. I found no weak points. Basically - very grippy, stable, fast with good tire wear.

The 787B showed two strong points: acceleration and tire wear. The 787B responds quickly to the gas pedal and effortlessly glides past the field when given the opportunity. However, after darting ahead and faced with a sharp turn, the 787B needs to brake early and slowly because it becomes skittish in the turns. The car's light weight at 805 Kg yielded the best test results for tire wear - lasting 9 laps on RM/RM. The 787B's weak point is its poor handling, perhaps due to its light weight. It seems the 787B's relatively light weight can work both for and against it.

My recommendations:

C9: Make it heavier - adding weight (+1 or +2) should make it less grippy.

787B: Sounds crazy, but - make it much heavier (+2 or +3) and increase HP slightly (+1) to compensate for weight gain.

Doesn't seem to make sense to add weight in order to produce opposing effects for each car, but will give it a go. Any suggestions are more than welcome and are most likely very much needed.

I will test these two again at these additional increments and report back tomorrow, July 4th. I will also take the Toyota 88C-V for one more test to check on possible adjustments.

ERacer

 

[Tyre King]

Sorry Phil, and the rest of you guys!
But I have not had the time to run ANY testing here, at all!

I just haven't had the time, or to be honest, the inclination to run any testing here.
I know, I know!
It's mine and Phil's series now, and we should be going guns out for this series to succeed.
And I am sorry guys, but RL (ie the wedding on this Saturday) is severely getting in the way.

Too much to do, and not enough time to do it in!

Anyway, I'm gonna have to leave you in the capable hands of Phil (ERacer) till after the wedding on Saturday. If he decides that this test should be extended, or the series should start, or that we should wait a while, that's all good to me. (except the last one, which I would be sad at)

Just gimme a few days to get my feet back under myself, and I'll be back firing on all cylinders.

Neil

 

[ERacer]

Congratulations Neil! The very best wishes to you and your wife to be. It is a great leap forward and possibly the greatest milestone in your life. Well, aside from taking on the C-class series of course, but still a milestone nonetheless. Cheers mate Enjoy and we'll see ya when you get back. 👍

Phil

 

[Avery GT]

You have wedding this saturday? oh man, good luck to you and your wife live happily till you both pass away 👍

Anyway, on-topic: i shoul really start testing...i guess i will choose 787B for these series as my teammates did ..okay...turning on PS2 now...i will update later...

edit: k, my first try with Mazda 787B - 16'22.122 and the fastest lap was 1'02.4xx

 

[ERacer]

i shoul really start testing...i guess i will choose 787B for these series as my teammates did ..okay...turning on PS2 now...i will update later...

edit: k, my first try with Mazda 787B - 16'22.122 and the fastest lap was 1'02.4xx

Welcome to the C-Class Racing Series Avery GT! 👍

As you can see we are in the final stage of testing and should have these cars ready to go soon!

Nice fast lap in the 787B. What is your impression of the car's handling?

ERacer

 

[Avery GT]

Welcome to the C-Class Racing Series Avery GT! 👍

As you can see we are in the final stage of testing and should have these cars ready to go soon!

Nice fast lap in the 787B. What is your impression of the car's handling?

ERacer

Thanks I am really looking for the competitive series...

I couldn't choose between 88C-V and 787B but as my teammates drive 787B too, at least i can compare with them knowing we drove the same monster

And what's my impresion? Handling is good, no tough moments during turning, i had bit of trouble though when tires started to be yellow/orange. But overally i am confident and excited 👍

 

[Tyre King]

Just so you guys know, the series will be starting soonly. 👍

I'm working on it now!

Neil