The McLaren F1 '94..

[Airetam]

What the **** is wrong with it?
I'm barely looking at it, and it spins!

I'm by no means a bad driver, I drift regularly, and blazed around the ring in a stock yellowbird often in GT5.
But, this car.. Took it for a spin at the Ascari 10-lap challenge on SS tires, but I kept spinning out on every lap!

Is something wrong with it, or is it just that hard to drive?

 

[MC-Chase]

Drives just fine to me ?

 

[Operation Ivy]

Either turn up the skid force or don't floor it when coming out of a turn

 

[JEMcG]

Do you have upgraded rims? There was a bug pre 1.03 update that affected handling. Have you updated?

Otherwise it can be a difficult car to drive, i must have driven around 3000 miles in it in 5 and 6. Remember it has over 600hp and masses of torque! Just take it easy with it.

 

[Leo_]

Carefull with low gears, try not to put your foot all the way down in 2nd

 

[zujca]

I didn't have any issues with it. The Yellow Bird was causing me more problems though.

 

[Gentoo64]

I could be wrong, but sounds to me like you bought it and put all the custom suspension, lsd etc on it? If you haven't, try driving it just as it is with no modifications, as stock suspension, lsd etc brings out the car's character and shows you how to drive it properly. If you tune it like an FR car, you'll end up driving it like one.

I don't want to be one of those "IT'S AN MR" people, but you do have to be more careful and smooth, if you're used to FF or some FR cars and straight on the brakes, then blasting straight on full throttle you might find MR style a bit too smooth that it could feel slow, but it's not, it's just not as agressive driving style but much more careful.

Think of FF car as heavy metal music and MR as mozart lol

I use a DS3 and would say a wheel could benefit with MR cars due to more turning range, but with DS3 you have to learn to be very gentle and progressive with steering input, and driving line is much more important then other engine layouts.

 

[Airetam]

Either turn up the skid force or don't floor it when coming out of a turn

Why would I have to turn on SRF for one single car?
I use a wheel and have good throttle control, but it didn't matter. It started spinning out when I was on the throttle, off it, or even on breaking as soon as the rear tires were at 8.

Do you have upgraded rims? There was a bug pre 1.03 update that affected handling. Have you updated?

Otherwise it can be a difficult car to drive, i must have driven around 3000 miles in it in 5 and 6. Remember it has over 600hp and masses of torque! Just take it easy with it.

No, I'm aware of the bug.

I could be wrong, but sounds to me like you bought it and put all the custom suspension, lsd etc on it? If you haven't, try driving it just as it is with no modifications, as stock suspension, lsd etc brings out the car's character and shows you how to drive it properly. If you tune it like an FR car, you'll end up driving it like one.

I don't want to be one of those "IT'S AN MR" people, but you do have to be more careful and smooth, if you're used to FF or some FR cars and straight on the brakes, then blasting straight on full throttle you might find MR style a bit too smooth that it could feel slow, but it's not, it's just not as agressive driving style but much more careful.

Think of FF car as heavy metal music and MR as mozart lol

I use a DS3 and would say a wheel could benefit with MR cars due to more turning range, but with DS3 you have to learn to be very gentle and progressive with steering input, and driving line is much more important then other engine layouts.

I drove it bone stock.

I can drive just about every car in the game except this one. The FXX was a lot easier to keep on the road with rear tires worn to 4 than the McLaren with rears worn to 8.

 

[Vil_le]

I had the same problem. Every time i tried to drive fast with it, it just spinned over. After few hours of trying to gold the Ascari-challenge i gave up and changed to Mp12-4. Won the race on first attempt comfortable.

After that, i learned a bit driving with the f1. You just need to be gentle and focus on not to spin. But i bet there are lot easier cars for that race.

 

[yuangsus]

Why would I have to turn on SRF for one single car?
I use a wheel and have good throttle control, but it didn't matter. It started spinning out when I was on the throttle, off it, or even on breaking as soon as the rear tires were at 8.


No, I'm aware of the bug.


I drove it bone stock.

I can drive just about every car in the game except this one. The FXX was a lot easier to keep on the road with rear tires worn to 4 than the McLaren with rears worn to 8.

Don't know exactly why you are having such a bad feeling about MF1 Handling. In my case, FXX has way more unexpected rear wheel spins than MF1. To me, FXX like an undrivable car, but MF1 is way more controllable than it was in GT5. Actually I think GT6 get it right in terms of handling. Although, it is not a car you can fiddle with its limit at any time like Audi R18 or other SuperGT race car. With Skid off, I can drive MF1 (bone stock with Sport Hard Tyres) around Laguna under 1min32sec, with skid on, the same car can lap Laguna under 1min29sec. I hope my input gives you some feeling about MF1 in GT6, because FXX and Yellow bird are much harder cars to tame. That been said, MF1 is not an easy car to work with, but it is not one of those hardest ones in GT6. Moreover, since MF1 is one of my favorite cars in the world, maybe I give it too much credit. Though I believe if one really drives Yellow bird and FXX like a charm, then MF1 should be a no brainer job for him, no offence.

 

[Airetam]

Don't know exactly why you are having such a bad feeling about MF1 Handling. In my case, FXX has way more unexpected rear wheel spins than MF1. To me, FXX like an undrivable car, but MF1 is way more controllable than it was in GT5. Actually I think GT6 get it right in terms of handling. Although, it is not a car you can fiddle with its limit at any time like Audi R18 or other SuperGT race car. With Skid off, I can drive MF1 (bone stock with Sport Hard Tyres) around Laguna under 1min32sec, with skid on, the same car can lap Laguna under 1min29sec. I hope my input gives you some feeling about MF1 in GT6, because FXX and Yellow bird are much harder cars to tame. That been said, MF1 is not an easy car to work with, but it is not one of those hardest ones in GT6. Moreover, since MF1 is one of my favorite cars in the world, maybe I give it too much credit. Though I believe if one really drives Yellow bird and FXX like a charm, then MF1 should be a no brainer job for him, no offence.

This is exactly why I felt something was wrong with it.
I like taming beasts, hence why I enjoyed driving the yellowbird a lot in GT5.

That being said, I'll take the MF1 and FXX stock with SH to Laguna Seca (one of my favorite tracks, actually) and edit this post with times to give an idea of how much I struggle with it.


Edit: Ok, this is weird. It was A LOT more stable on SH on Seca.
All aids off except abs 1, 5 laps each:
FXX - 1:27:361
MF1 - 1:29:337

 

[Vegard]

SS tyres and stock suspension is not a good combo on this car.
The McLaren F1 is rather softly sprung/damped, with a lot of body movement and roll.
Try SM/SS or tune the suspension.

This car also needs a custom gearbox for realistic gears.
Use the stock ratios but change the final drive. (top speed should be set ~400km/h)

 

[JEMcG]

This is exactly why I felt something was wrong with it.
I like taming beasts, hence why I enjoyed driving the yellowbird a lot in GT5.

That being said, I'll take the MF1 and FXX stock with SH to Laguna Seca (one of my favorite tracks, actually) and edit this post with times to give an idea of how much I struggle with it.


Edit: Ok, this is weird. It was A LOT more stable on SH on Seca.
All aids off except abs 1, 5 laps each:
FXX - 1:27:361
MF1 - 1:29:337

The F1 really isn't suitable for this track.

Try some tracks with sweeping corners where you can actually get above 3rd gear and it will come into its own.

I did a supercar test with a few cars at Spa, was surprised that the Zonda C12S 7.3 '02 was faster than the F1. But then I put sports suspension, the first one on the list, and it really improved the F1 a lot.

The F1 is a great car and probably still the most successful super car of an era, but I think you might be expecting too much of it. It's my favourite car ever, actually maybe the LM is. Remember the F1 road car is the most basic of the F1 range. If the LM or Longtail were in the game you would see the difference and would realise the standard road car is a different beast.

Actually when it was being designed McLaren wanted a 500hp Honda engine. Imagine how driveable that would have been! Awesome. But instead it became a different beast.

 

[Stotty]

This is how you drive the F1... @mike_gt3 in a bone stock F1 on sports hards.



Looks challenging, but clearly not impossible as Mike runs well under 7 mins at the 'Ring.

 

[Airetam]

Try it on the Ascari 10-lap challenge with Sports Soft, people. It is very hard to control once the wear on the rear tires drops to 8.
I had no problems with the car on Sports Hard without wear, so it might be bugged somehow.

 

[Vegard]

Try it on the Ascari 10-lap challenge with Sports Soft, people. It is very hard to control once the wear on the rear tires drops to 8.
I had no problems with the car on Sports Hard without wear, so it might be bugged somehow.

The extra grip of the SS tyre is causing your suspension to bottom out before reaching the grip limit of the tyre.

 

[Airetam]

The extra grip of the SS tyre is causing your suspension to bottom out before reaching the grip limit of the tyre.

If that's the case, then please explain the 4 seconds it shaved off my time on my first lap on Laguna Seca.

If the suspension bottomed out, I would spin out on the corner after the corkscrew.

 

[Vegard]

If that's the case, then please explain the 4 seconds it shaved off my time on my first lap on Laguna Seca.

If the suspension bottomed out, I would spin out on the corner after the corkscrew.

There's obviously more grip giving you a better lap time.

You said there were no problems driving it on SH, tyre wear off. Is it the same with SH tyre wear on?
Is it the same with SS, tyre wear off?

 

[Airetam]

There's obviously more grip giving you a better lap time.

You said there were no problems driving it on SH, tyre wear off. Is it the same with SH tyre wear on?
Is it the same with SS, tyre wear off?

SS, wear off was no problem. The handling was grippy and great!
I'll get back to you on SH with tyre wear.

 

[Flaren89]

And think that true tires compound for McLaren F1 '94 (like most of the super/hypercars) should be CM (Comfort), as you can read on the Comfort description.
The only cars that should be driven on SH are those with "track package" or something else, like Viper ACR '10 or LFA "Nurburgring Package" '12. Here below i show you why i say this:

- LFA "stock" tires:

- LFA "Nurburgring Package" tires:

- Viper ACR '10:

Now, as you can understand with these photos, it's clear the difference on the compounds. The last 2 should be "Sport" compounds omologated for the street, the first one should be "Comfort" compound as it should be the tyre the car normally use on the base street.

Coming back to the F1, the car itself can use both compounds, but for the hotlap i uploaded on youtube (if u want to see it, just go on my channel or search "GT6 Flaren89 - McLaren F1 '94") i used the CM because the car normally use this:

But, for ppl want the 100% from the car and could spend more money, the car had this (we can assume they are SH):

This by just talking about the compound of the REAL LIFE car.

For your situation, i suggest you to stay on SH, personally I also prefer hard to soft because not only for the consumption, but because the soft tires (for their soft nature) tend to get overheat faster and with the new tyre physic (more correct than in GT5) the overheat means worst grip, just like IRL.

 

[Airetam]

There's obviously more grip giving you a better lap time.

You said there were no problems driving it on SH, tyre wear off. Is it the same with SH tyre wear on?
Is it the same with SS, tyre wear off?

Went back to Ascari with SH, and it was more prone to oversteer, I had to be much more careful with my throttle than without tyre wear.
There was also a significant change in grip as soon as they were worn to 8, although not as bad as with SS.

 

[Vegard]

Went back to Ascari with SH, and it was more prone to oversteer, I had to be much more careful with my throttle than without tyre wear.
There was also a significant change in grip as soon as they were worn to 8, although not as bad as with SS.

If the car handles great on SS without tyre wear than my theory about the suspension bottoming out is obviously wrong.

I've read several complaints about a pit stop bug where handling would change after a pit stop.
Perhaps this is a reverse bug of that?

I know the physic model/suspension geometry/braking model is seriously flawed as of 1.03, that might also be the cause of your problem.

I have put the game on the shelf in anticipation of bugs and glitches being patched, but I might give the Big Mac a try later tonight to see what this really is.

Vegard

Edit: Are you running 5/5 braking sensitivity and ABS 1?

 

[Airetam]

Yes, 5/5 and abs 1.

 

[Vegard]

Yes, 5/5 and abs 1.

I just had a quick run in a stock McLaren F1 on SS tyres.
With bb 5/5 and ABS 1 the car was a bit unstable under braking.
I adjusted to 6/2 and the car became a lot more stable.
ABS 1 gives you some lock up under hard braking, with 5/5 the rear tyres will lock up first causing excessive tyre wear on the rear tyres.

Try 6/2 and see how it goes.

 

[chrishagan]

I love it in standard form, done loads of races with it and only aid is abs 1.
practice.

 

[Airetam]

I just had a quick run in a stock McLaren F1 on SS tyres.
With bb 5/5 and ABS 1 the car was a bit unstable under braking.
I adjusted to 6/2 and the car became a lot more stable.
ABS 1 gives you some lock up under hard braking, with 5/5 the rear tyres will lock up first causing excessive tyre wear on the rear tyres.

Try 6/2 and see how it goes.

Did you compare how it felt with/without tyre wear?

PS: I played in the career mode with wear, time trial without wear.
The physics could be different depending on the mode. You never know with PD.

 

[yuangsus]

This is exactly why I felt something was wrong with it.
I like taming beasts, hence why I enjoyed driving the yellowbird a lot in GT5.

That being said, I'll take the MF1 and FXX stock with SH to Laguna Seca (one of my favorite tracks, actually) and edit this post with times to give an idea of how much I struggle with it.


Edit: Ok, this is weird. It was A LOT more stable on SH on Seca.
All aids off except abs 1, 5 laps each:
FXX - 1:27:361
MF1 - 1:29:337

Nice lap time. I will try it in TA mode sometime. Cause all my time on different cars actually in Single Race mode. Sometimes it is just not enough time to focus on Time Attack when I got to first place in that mode. MF1 is much containable on elevations and bumps than FXX. Though FXX definitely the faster car here since it is not a street car. Thanks for your input here!

 

[yuangsus]

The F1 really isn't suitable for this track.

Try some tracks with sweeping corners where you can actually get above 3rd gear and it will come into its own.

I did a supercar test with a few cars at Spa, was surprised that the Zonda C12S 7.3 '02 was faster than the F1. But then I put sports suspension, the first one on the list, and it really improved the F1 a lot.

The F1 is a great car and probably still the most successful super car of an era, but I think you might be expecting too much of it. It's my favourite car ever, actually maybe the LM is. Remember the F1 road car is the most basic of the F1 range. If the LM or Longtail were in the game you would see the difference and would realise the standard road car is a different beast.

Actually when it was being designed McLaren wanted a 500hp Honda engine. Imagine how driveable that would have been! Awesome. But instead it became a different beast.

Yean, McLaren F1 is also my favorite car. Actually the standard mode has a very soft suspension and damper to cope with daily drive. LM version is a 680HP version of GTR95 version, so you can tune up GTR95 to meet those specs of LM. It definitely runs much more faster than normal MF1. Mikka do drive an LM around Nur in 7min11sec.

 

[Commander26]

I set my F1 with SS tires stock suspension and an intake and computer upgrade to for power have it a new transmission and dropped the weight and took it on Ascari for it the 10 lap endurance and man did that baby fly I over lapped a Ferrari FXX by the 8th lap, you give it a little love and it'll give you the time of your life