The Most Bizarre Thing I have Ever Seen (Straight Cheating?)

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This was the ugliest race I have ever been a part of, I was getting bumped left and right and everybody seemed to be trading paint all the time which was crazy for an all SR:S field. But among all the madness, this guy took the crown, he had a real bad ping - only one bar - although he never got booted. In addition to being outrageously dirty, he just never seemed to get any penalty or suffer from going off-track even when stuck in gravel.
Here, watch the video for yourself and tell me what you think, or if you have witnessed a similar thing:

 
Why would he get a penalty? From his point of view, he wasn't hitting anyone or going off-track.

Whether he should have kept driving/racing with such horrendous lag is another matter.
 
daan
Why would he get a penalty? From his point of view, he wasn't hitting anyone or going off-track.

Whether he should have kept driving/racing with such horrendous lag is another matter.
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Did you see the part where he cuts the final S or shoves other cars off the track? Anyway him getting a penalty is not the main thing but the fact that his car didn't suffer time when he got off-track or was stuck, he just kept appearing right behind other cars and on the throttle.

If you are putting it all on his connection, then that's another matter, I guess I could understand a few of the incidents but not all. I also didn't upload the whole thing not to make it too tedious.

ChevapBH
Polyphony should do a ping check before race like many games do. There's no reason to let these people play. Worst thing is that you have no idea you are lagging that bad. From his point of view, everything looks good.
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I was really surprised he was not booted off, usually people with such bad connection get DC'ed, it was crazy having to drive behind him cause I had no idea where he was and a few times I got SR penalty when I was just alone on track.
 
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GTFraker
Did you see the part where he cuts the final S or shoves other cars off the track? Anyway him getting a penalty is not the main thing but the fact that his car didn't suffer time when he got off-track or was stuck, he just get appearing right behind other cars and on the throttle.

If you are putting it all on his connection, then that's another matter, I guess I could understand a few of the incidents but not all. I also didn't upload the whole thing not to make it too tedious.
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I didn't watch it all. TL:dw.

But what I saw was classic lag. He didn't suffer a time loss, and he didn't get stuck, because he wasn't off the track. He might have been off from your point of view, but he wasn't from his. You cannot be sure where he was, what line took, and if he hit anyone because of the lag.
 
daan
I didn't watch it all. TL:dw.

But what I saw was classic lag. He didn't suffer a time loss, and he didn't get stuck, because he wasn't off the track. He might have been off from your point of view, but he wasn't from his. You cannot be sure where he was, what line took, and if he hit anyone because of the lag.
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You are right, that could well be the case, but the same applies to you, as you cannot be sure if he ran a clean race either.
 
GTFraker
You are right, that could well be the case, but the same applies to you, as you cannot be sure if he ran a clean race either.
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That's as maybe, but you are tagging him as dirty, and made thread about it, when all of your evidence points to lag.
 
Lag and packet loss.
Packet loss would create a scenario where data is missing in the "link" and so it could be possible that the off track / penalty application may not be applied if the data was not sent or received properly.

Same applies in battlefield when I play high ping players. I can be killed and then the kill feed shows the player not looking or around the corner.

Time sensitive and data cannot be resent as it is too late - imagine if data was resent ( like a TCP connection ), alsorts of strange things would have to happen, if it was a streaming tv show it would be annoying constantly watching scenes that happened 2 seconds ago as it tries to keep in sync and get ALL the data before showing it.
 
daan
That's as maybe, but you are tagging him as dirty, and made thread about it, when all of your evidence points to lag.
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You admitted you didn't watch the whole video, how can you judge my "evidence"? I trimmed the video to contain most of the bizarre stuff that happens due to his lag and a few moves that are dirty. The whole race lasted 20+ minutes, uploading all of that would just make the vid less watchable.

GT5_komp
Lag and packet loss.
Packet loss would create a scenario where data is missing in the "link" and so it could be possible that the off track / penalty application may not be applied if the data was not sent or received properly.

Same applies in battlefield when I play high ping players. I can be killed and then the kill feed shows the player not looking or around the corner.

Time sensitive and data cannot be resent as it is too late - imagine if data was resent ( like a TCP connection ), alsorts of strange things would have to happen, if it was a streaming tv show it would be annoying constantly watching scenes that happened 2 seconds ago as it tries to keep in sync and get ALL the data before showing it.
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Examples of players using bad connection, or purposefully messing with their connection, to confound other players or the game engine and abuse it have been numerous. This guy could be innocent, or have found a way to take advantage.
 
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GTFraker
You admitted you didn't watch the whole video...
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I did.
It was lag mixed in with some mistakes.

Maybe you're new to online gaming, but this isn't new, bizarre, interesting, dirty, cheating or anything else you might want to make a thread about.
 
GTFraker
Examples of players using bad connection, or purposefully messing with their connection, to confound other players or the game engine and abuse it have been numerous. This guy could be innocent, or have found a way to take advantage.
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Indeed. Sadly this is how some people like to play the games - personally it would be boring to cheat in any game as I dont see the sense of satisfaction that I would get say having grinded 7-10 hours in one go on nordeschleiffe to get a gold :)

The last time I posted on here was waaay back and I joined to get in a group of players just so I did not have to play online randoms who bash of road and use me to brake haha.... Online randoms - anything can happen including them using cheating mechanisms.
 
baldgye
I did.
It was lag mixed in with some mistakes.

Maybe you're new to online gaming, but this isn't new, bizarre, interesting, dirty, cheating or anything else you might want to make a thread about.
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Here we go with the presumptions and patronisation, I started playing multiplayer games with Quake III and CS 1.5, so no, I have seen enough dirty players and tactics used.
GT5_komp
Indeed. Sadly this is how some people like to play the games - personally it would be boring to cheat in any game as I dont see the sense of satisfaction that I would get say having grinded 7-10 hours in one go on nordeschleiffe to get a gold :)

The last time I posted on here was waaay back and I joined to get in a group of players just so I did not have to play online randoms who bash of road and use me to brake haha.... Online randoms - anything can happen including them using cheating mechanisms.
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It was really frustrating racing with a car that behaved as such on the same track, I was mostly surprised to see that it kept going without the game reacting to it.
 
GTFraker
Here we go with the presumptions and patronisation, I started playing multiplayer games with Quake III and CS 1.5, so no, I have seen enough dirty players and tactics used.
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Ok, so why is this so bizarre?
By the sounds of it we probably started online gaming around the same time... but I've seen this countless times... also if this dude was using a lag switch (like people used to use in CS:S), why would he just lag randomly on his own? He'd be better served just using it when coming across other drivers...

I don't see (from what you posted) anything wrong with what this guy was doing, bar a few mistakes, which, look honest enough.. I didn't presume anything I made an assumption based on the information you provided. You are the one who has called this random bloke out for being outrageously dirty...
 
baldgye
Ok, so why is this so bizarre?
By the sounds of it we probably started online gaming around the same time... but I've seen this countless times... also if this dude was using a lag switch (like people used to use in CS:S), why would he just lag randomly on his own? He'd be better served just using it when coming across other drivers...

I don't see (from what you posted) anything wrong with what this guy was doing, bar a few mistakes, which, look honest enough.. I didn't presume anything I made an assumption based on the information you provided. You are the one who has called this random bloke out for being outrageously dirty...
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I guess I have become very mistrusting of online players due to a lot of bad examples I have seen over the years?
EDIT: It was bizarre because it kept going on for the whole race, if his connection was so bad I figured the game would boot him as is the norm in most games with online playing features.
If you want, I can upload his whole race, for you to judge if he ran a clean race or shoved people out of the way while trying to pass.
 
GTFraker
I guess I have become very mistrusting of online players due to a lot of bad examples I have seen over the years?
If you want, I can upload his whole race, for you to judge if he ran a clean race or shoved people out of the way while trying to pass.
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I don't think that would server anyone. A 10min video of someone lagging around wasn't the most thrilling... I can't imagine a further 10mins would improve the situation.
Better to edit it down to specific examples of contact, maybe just time stamp the video you uploaded already... but from what I saw, the errors where probably just mistakes due to, lag and driver error...
 
This is the second thread I've seen recently where people have no experience with lag. It's not a bug, it's not cheating, it's lag. It happens, big deal.
 
It happened to me yesterday when my wife turned on the microwave. The whole race went sideways from my point of view, cars shifting weirdly and crashing into the walls. My connection status dropped to 1 bar. I could drive on normally and once the microwave was done it instantly cleared up again. I must have been moving around the track like that to other yet still got the clean race bonus at the end so it did not affect my race. I saved the replay but didn't check it yet.

No mircrowave during races!
 
GTFraker
If you want, I can upload his whole race, for you to judge
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No you can't. You can only upload what your machine recorded as his whole race.

Given that the first two minutes of the video you've uploaded shows a car that is lagging all over the place, it should be immediately clear that what you're seeing is not necessarily anywhere close to what he was seeing. You cannot say with any certainty that his car actually was where you're seeing it, so you have no real way to judge whether he's "straight cheating", "outrageously dirty" or "cuts the final S". Although you have anyway.

In essence, the most bizarre thing you have ever seen is network lag.
 
Famine
No you can't. You can only upload what your machine recorded as his whole race.

Given that the first two minutes of the video you've uploaded shows a car that is lagging all over the place, it should be immediately clear that what you're seeing is not necessarily anywhere close to what he was seeing. You cannot say with any certainty that his car actually was where you're seeing it, so you have no real way to judge whether he's "straight cheating", "outrageously dirty" or "cuts the final S". Although you have anyway.

In essence, the most bizarre thing you have ever seen is network lag.
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I understand that and acknowledge that it is indeed network lag which is nothing new, not being booted after lagging for so long so badly is another thing. If that is a problem with the game engine, it should be addressed.
 
GTFraker
I understand that and acknowledge that it is indeed network lag which is nothing new, not being booted after lagging for so long so badly is another thing. If that is a problem with the game engine, it should be addressed.
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If it was a problem with the game engine, I doubt it could or would be addressed, this however isn't the case. Simply that the tools to restrict ping don't exist in Sport mode yet.
 

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