The new Porsche 928 will look like?

[Conza]

There might be a new 928 coming, and I'm provisionally excited.

I say provisionally because rumour has it, that it may be based upon the current Porsche Panamera platform, but it may look like this

Which surprises me, if there's any truth in it, because if you look at the 918 with a roof on it here.

Amazing looking car! IMO, maybe the best looking Porsche ever.

So I want to see what people think, do you think it'll look more like the new 918, the interpretation graphic, or something entirely different, not similar in anyway to these two cars? Vote and reply.

 

[Eric.]

They look as much alike as any other current Porsche. The top pic is just a shortened and smooshed Panamera anyway.

 

[Tornado]

It has been being worked on for so long now that I'm not sure whether the development of the car isn't just some sort of elaborate Ponzi scheme.


I'm honestly not sure how Porsche could position it in the market these days, as much as I'd like to see one.

 

[playnthru]

To me it looks like a 370z?

 

[Omnis]

928 = Cayman


'cept for the whole drivetrain thing.

 

[Tyger]

Is the plan for it to be front-engined like the old 928? That would be interesting but I really hope it's a fresh design, not yet another stretched/chopped/SUVified 911, like the top pic

 

[kikie]

918 = very beautiful car (*)

928 = an abomination (*)


(*) = just a personal opinion.

 

[Rue]

If they made a new 928 it would surely have to be built to take on the big FR 2+2 GT cars of other manafacturers, i.e. Ferrari FF, Bentley Continental GT SS, Aston DBS, Maserati GranTurismo S, etc. wouldn't it? The 928 back in the day was always an expensive, plush continent crusher. I'd love it if Porsche re-booted the whole concept!

 

[motortrend]

If they made a new 928 it would surely have to be built to take on the big FR 2+2 GT cars of other manafacturers, i.e. Ferrari FF, Bentley Continental GT SS, Aston DBS, Maserati GranTurismo S, etc. wouldn't it? The 928 back in the day was always an expensive, plush continent crusher. I'd love it if Porsche re-booted the whole concept!

I'd say the s model would be near m6 price wise with the turbo Model slightly cheaper than those you listed

 

[Conza]

918 = very beautiful car (*)

928 = an abomination (*)


(*) = just a personal opinion.

So you'd prefer that it looked like the 918, fair enough me too, so* are you saying* it doesn't* matter what it looks like? You know that the graphic isn't necessarily what it'll end up looking like you know.

*EDIT: wrote this on my phone, so there's some obvious predictive text errors, thanks Swype (corrected).

 

[Eric.]

I'd say the s model would be near m6 price wise with the turbo Model slightly cheaper than those you listed

An M6 starts at over $100,000. Similar to a Carrera S. Seems like far too much overlap in price.

 

[motortrend]

An M6 starts at over $100,000. Similar to a Carrera S. Seems like far too much overlap in price.

Now that I go over the prices it seems the 928 would be around 130k-150k if it were released considering inflation in the price of the original one and that the early late 80s 930 was 50K+ while the 928 of the time hovered around 70k and the current turbo is nearly 140K. I do think that the turbo (or S4, GTS Etc.) versions could be up there with the other very expensive cars considering that the turbo panamera is close to double the price of tha base panamera and the turbo s is more than twice. The price range difference would probably be less in the 928 but the turbo could probably get up there with the very expensive cars listed by Rue

 

[AMCNUT]

Am I the only one who thinks that car in the top picture looks quite similar to the old Chrysler Firepower! Concept?

 

[kikie]

So you'd prefer that it looked like the 918, fair enough me too, so* are you saying* it doesn't* matter what it looks like? You know that the graphic isn't necessarily what it'll end up looking like you know.

*EDIT: wrote this on my phone, so there's some obvious predictive text errors, thanks Swype (corrected).

I don't entirely understand what you mean with so* are you saying* it doesn't*.
The (*) mean exactly what it says. It's a personal opinion. It's a legend, an explanation. 💡
Ofcourse I know the "graphic" isn't how the 928 is going to look like. That's why I voted for "something else".

No the future 928 does not have to look like the 918 at all. As long as it doesn't like the graphic representation. As I already said, the "graphic" of the 928 looks hideous (again this is a personal opinion).

You said, "vote and reply" and that is exactly what I did. I have no idea if I offended you but that was absolutely not my intention.

 

[Conza]

So you'd prefer that it looked like the 918, fair enough me too, so* are you saying* it doesn't* matter what it looks like? You know that the graphic isn't necessarily what it'll end up looking like you know.

*EDIT: wrote this on my phone, so there's some obvious predictive text errors, thanks Swype (corrected).

I don't entirely understand what you mean with so* are you saying* it doesn't*.
The (*) mean exactly what it says. It's a personal opinion. It's a legend, an explanation. 💡
Ofcourse I know the "graphic" isn't how the 928 is going to look like. That's why I voted for "something else".

No the future 928 does not have to look like the 918 at all. As long as it doesn't like the graphic representation. As I already said, the "graphic" of the 928 looks hideous (again this is a personal opinion).

You said, "vote and reply" and that is exactly what I did. I have no idea if I offended you but that was absolutely not my intention.

No problem, I only speak English, but I can understand the harder words sometimes not making complete sense for people who speak it as an additional language.

To clarify, the * symbol was used on words that I spelt incorrectly when I originally posted, hence why at the end there's a *EDIT which gives reason to why the stars are on those words.

Back on topic, I think we both are of the same opinion, we're hoping it'll look like the 918, but do you think that will be the result?

 

[niky]

A modern 928 would definitely not be in the 140k range. Porsche has no need of a front-engined coupe to go over the 911. There's the 911, the really expensive 911 Turbo, the ridiculously expensive 911 GT2 and then the 918.

A new 928's only possible market positioning would be as a coupe variant of the Panamera, perhaps slotting in between the Cayman and the base 911 in price, with Turbo variants overlapping Carrera4s in terms of pricing. This gives them the volume needed to amortize the cost of the Panamera, without significantly affecting sales of Porsche's other sportscars.

 

[Conza]

So, if that's true,

Why did they do it in the first place?

Why are there rumours of them doing it now?

Why do they have the Cayenne and Cayman if not to expand their market range?

Surely a DB9/599, ect type super car would be a handy thing in the line up, especially if they can share parts with Lamborghini now.

 

[TheCracker]

I think there's room in the Porsche range for what would essentially be a 2/3-door 'Panamera' coupe, even if it overlapped with the 911 price-wise.

German manufactures have made an art of creating new niche-market vehicles that seem to be ridiculously over-lapping on existing models in their line-ups, only to have them sell like hot cakes.

The original 928 overlapped with the 911 of the time (it was designed as a possible replacement for the 911 after all) - yet created a new market segment for them, seemingly without effecting 911 sales all that much.

Porsche already have plans to shoe-horn a sub-918 mid-engined sports car as a rival to the 458/Gallardo/MP4-12C segment, which will no doubt step on the 911 Turbos shoes somewhat, so i can't see a new 928 being a problem.

 

[Tornado]

Why did they do it in the first place?

Because 30 years ago the 911 wasn't the same car as it is today. Porsche designed the 928 because 911 sales were stagnating after being pretty much unchanged for 15 years and they wanted a more "modern" car that they could market as a sporty GT that regular ones could drive around without fear of killing themselves.


The 911 as it is now fits in that role quite well.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Hopefully it looks like neither the so-called "comp-gen" thing that is in the OP nor the 918.

I like the 918's style but making the new 929 (name pending, of course) look like that with the sort of lift-back style just won't do it justice. And I hope to God that blurry Photoshop job either gets cleaned up or declared a farce by whoever created the image.

 

[Crash]

A modern 928 would definitely not be in the 140k range. Porsche has no need of a front-engined coupe to go over the 911. There's the 911, the really expensive 911 Turbo, the ridiculously expensive 911 GT2 and then the 918.

A new 928's only possible market positioning would be as a coupe variant of the Panamera, perhaps slotting in between the Cayman and the base 911 in price, with Turbo variants overlapping Carrera4s in terms of pricing. This gives them the volume needed to amortize the cost of the Panamera, without significantly affecting sales of Porsche's other sportscars.

Not to mention an incredibly capable 911 GT3.

I agree with Niky, although the top Cayman starts to overlap the bottom 911 Carrera, I see the top Cayman as a much smaller, track oriented car. A new 928 would only be a GT cruiser (a very capable one at that), slotting at where the top Cayman is, but with a different target audience.

It would make sense for Porsche to build it on the Panamera platform, to fit the GT target.

For that, it would probably look a lot more like a Panamera than a 918. Also, a new 928 will most likely be front engined, and it's going to be hard to stuff a V8 down there with such a low front and hood and pass safety regulations.

 

[Conza]

So, if that's true,

Why did they do it in the first place?

Why are there rumours of them doing it now?

Why do they have the Cayenne and Cayman if not to expand their market range?

Surely a DB9/599, ect type super car would be a handy thing in the line up, especially if they can share parts with Lamborghini now.

Because 30 years ago the 911 wasn't the same car as it is today. Porsche designed the 928 because 911 sales were stagnating after being pretty much unchanged for 15 years and they wanted a more "modern" car that they could market as a sporty GT that regular ones could drive around without fear of killing themselves.


The 911 as it is now fits in that role quite well.

So you think the 911 now is a 'Sporty GT'? I'll admit, that the 911, probably since the 996, has been less murderous than in the past, but I don't buy that a new Porsche FR wouldn't be successful, I think there's a market for it, it could be placed above or at the same level as the 911 without problem.

 

[niky]

The 911 is a catch-all product that competes with everything from the M3/M6 to the 458 at its top-end. It comes in flavors ranging from Sports-GT to out-and-out racecar, from all-wheel drive convertibles to too-harsh-for-the-street track models.

That's a fairly wide range.

Back in the days, the 928 slotted easily above the 911, which was nowhere near as flexible or as luxurious as it is now. If the 928 were sold today with the same market positioning, it would overlap exactly with the current 911 Turbo range.

In other words, it would be like Chevrolet releasing a mid-engined sportscar with the same power and price as the Corvette. Sure, there might be a market for it, but why take away sales from your core product?

The 928 successor would have to be positioned as a pure GT to avoid encroaching on the 911. I can see ways of making it happen.

Either way... from what I've seen around, Porsche is mulling a four-door hatchback based on the Panamera.

That is your 928 successor, folks. A four door shooting brake that, at least, looks a million times better from behind than the Panamera... which should be shot, hanged and tossed in the fire. Probably no two door, because a two-door 2+2 is not something missing from Porsche's current model line-up.

 

[kikie]

*snip*.......
Either way... from what I've seen around, Porsche is mulling a four-door hatchback based on the Panamera.

That is your 928 successor, folks. A four door shooting brake that, at least, looks a million times better from behind than the Panamera... which should be shot, hanged and tossed in the fire. Probably no two door, because a two-door 2+2 is not something missing from Porsche's current model line-up.

Looks a lot like the Ferrari FF 4x4.

 

[Conza]

Looks ugly, that's for sure, this would be a horrible reality if it comes true, especially if they market it as the new '928'.

Ok, everyone keeps going on about how you can't have market overlap, what about the 458 and the 599? Ones mid-engined, ones front engined, on and on it goes with difference (including RRP), but they have basically the same performance, and were sold side by side for what? Three years? I'm not too up to speed with when the 599 will be retired, maybe it was yesterday haven't checked, but my point is, they are aimed at different market segments, but are both fast cars, and its possible that there might've been more sales of either one, had one of them not been created, but I think Ferrari wins by having both, even if its 60% of the possible sales x 2 (60% of what the car would've sold compared to if it weren't competing against the other model).

 

[niky]

The 599 costs $100k more than the 458. They don't compete for the same customers.

 

[Conza]

Ok, same performance 928 as a 911 GT3, but the 928 cots the GT3 price and not the standard 911 or turbo, or s price - problem solved.

 

[Stotty]

I think there's plenty of room for a front engined Porsche coupe based on a shortened Panamera chassis with sharper styling.

It would compete with fast GT coupes like the M6 and Maseratti Granturismo.

Price wise, it wouldn't really matter if it overlapped the 991 as the cars have a different purpose and a different target consumer... IMO, a 928 with a turbo V8 and >500bhp could exist alongside a 991 Turbo at a similar price point (c.£120k base).

458/599 prices aren't vastly different (£180k vs £210k base, though the F12 will likely move the front engined price point on a bit) and they coexist nicely..