Things I learned from Wikipedia

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Over the past 6 months or so, i've really gotten into the habit of using wikipedia for just about any sort of question possible. It started with general car research, but over time. i realize there's so many things and topics and people that have been covered by wikipedia, one day i decided to take some assumptions and questions i've held all my life and see if they are true or answerable.

First question: How did Jim Fixx die?

For those of you who don't know him, Jim Fixx was one of the earliest guys in the 70s who popularized jogging. He wrote a book about jogging that was a best-seller, and i think he's somewhat responsible for the theory that you must keep jogging (even when you come to a stop) to keep your pace up.

I was an avid jogger in middle & high school. :drool: Sometime during my school years, Jim Fixx died...apparently at a rather young age. I remember the rumors that started going around (he had cancer, he shouldn't have been jogging, etc). And all my life, it's been in the back of my mind: how exactly did he die?

Turns out, it was a heart attack. But if he hadn't been an avid jogger, he would have had it years earlier (arguably) because his family had a history of early heart trouble.

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Second question: was Benny Hill really gay? :rolleyes:

Like many who grew up in the 70s & 80s, i was infatuated with the Benny Hill show, Monty Python, The Young Ones and other silly BBC comedy. I was about 13 when i first saw Benny Hill. I thought it was the funniest thing ever, and my & my brother & friends would stay up till 11pm just to watch it.

Somewhere, somebody ( i dont even remember when or who) told me Benny Hill is gay. And i thought, wow, that makes sense. Of course: who else could get away with womanizing humor but a gay man? 💡

That idea stuck in my head for three decades now. I've told a few people over the years this falacy...not to many, but just enough that perhaps the rumor has perpetuated elsewhere.

And it turns out he's not gay! Or at least, wikipedia says absolutely nothing about this. Matter of fact, wikipedia tells us he asked 2 ladies to marry him, both times he got shot down! :grumpy:

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Third question: what's up with the Bermuda Triangle?

The Bermuda Triangle is a triangular shaped area that stretches from Bermuda to the Gulf of Mexico. Many of you already know about it, so i won't go into detail. However, IS THERE ANY TRUTH?

Other than the famous flight of those 5 planes, every other phenomenon of the Triangle has been explained away with rational reasoning. Bad weather. Hurricanes. Faulty equipment. Whatever.
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So far: Jim Fixx died of a heart attack while jogging, not cancer, not a drug overdose, and not anything other than an ordinary heart attack.

Benny Hill is (apparently) not gay.

the Bermuda Triangle is a myth.
:D

Anyone else learn something via wikipedia that blew some long-held assumptions? :)
 
How did Bruce Lee die?
A short time later, Lee complained of a headache, and Ting gave him an analgesic (painkiller), Equagesic, which contained both aspirin and a muscle relaxant. Around 7:30 p.m., he went to lie down for a nap. After Lee did not turn up for dinner, Chow came to the apartment but could not wake Lee up. A doctor was summoned, who spent ten minutes attempting to revive him before sending him by ambulance to Queen Elizabeth Hospital. However, Lee was dead by the time he reached the hospital. There was no visible external injury; however, his brain had swollen considerably, from 1,400 to 1,575 grams (a 13% increase). Lee was 32 years old. The only two substances found during the autopsy were Equagesic and trace amounts of cannabis. On 15 October 2005, Chow stated in an interview that Lee died from a hypersensitivity to the muscle relaxant in Equagesic, which he described as a common ingredient in painkillers. When the doctors announced Lee's death officially, it was ruled a "death by misadventure."
And other various facts on: Historical Events, Time periods, people, cars and anime.
 
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These are all lies! Wikipedia's content is made by thirteen year olds and then modified by their friends!

That's what they say at college!
 
These are all lies! Wikipedia's content is made by thirteen year olds and then modified by their friends!

That's what they say at college!
and Governments change the facts or delete them!
 
Bruce Lee died from a muscle relaxant? :boggled: Jeez all these years, i thought it was either a drug overdose, or brain hemmorage. See, that's exactly what i was talking about...



Eric, are you SURE they're all lies?

One of the beautiful things about the internet, is you don't have to rely on wikipedia. You can also research other sites that back up info at wikipedia, which i have certainly done (all except the Benny Hill/gay topic).

But wikipedia is great because it's a simple, generic format that seems to be mostly plain info, with no flights of fancy and rare question marks.
 
Bruce Lee died from a muscle relaxant? :boggled: Jeez all these years, i thought it was either a drug overdose, or brain hemmorage. See, that's exactly what i was talking about...



Eric, are you SURE they're all lies?

One of the beautiful things about the internet, is you don't have to rely on wikipedia. You can also research other sites that back up info at wikipedia, which i have certainly done (all except the Benny Hill/gay topic).

But wikipedia is great because it's a simple, generic format that seems to be mostly plain info, with no flights of fancy and rare question marks.

There was just a bit of sarcasm in my post. I use Wikipedia all of the time. Yet every instructor I've had has been nothing but negative about it. I'm also under the impression that most professors will either fail your paper or give a severe point deduction for using it as a source for even a minor detail.
 
Because research means you have to do the research... not rely on some anonymous author to do it for you.

There's still widespread vandalism on Wikipedia where people aren't paying attention... which means you really have to double-check things you take off of Wikipedia.
 
These are all lies! Wikipedia's content is made by thirteen year olds and then modified by their friends!

That's what they say at college!
As opposed to say...a forum, where a bunch of 30-and-40-somethings repair all the errors. :dunce: Wikipedia has errors and bias, but at least it can be edited or discussed, unlike a page that never gets updated. Not many websites ask you to provide a source, either.

Professors and teachers didn't like it if you copied World Book Encyclopedia word-for-word twenty years ago, either. When my wife taught high school, she'd give Ds or Fs to those who blatantly copied and pasted from the internet, 5 minutes of research doesn't count for a grade. Why then, are people so surprised that Wikipedia is not considered a primary source of information? Wikipedia itself claims it is not a primary source of information.

If you've read at least 100 articles from WP (and we've probably all done it at some point or another), you can easily spot the difference between a well-contributed and informative page, and one that is heavily biased, or a page that descended into stupidity and becomes a fanboy's delight. You can see who's edited the pages, who has approved the level of accuracy and value of contribution it has to related WP pages. You can see footnotes, sources, and how many statements are out of place.

If you know a thing or two about the basic policies of Wikipedia, then you should be able to spot bias right away, and dismiss the BS from an expert with a B.S. Wikipedia also has many bots that look for certain words, and revert vandalism right away. The most childish and immature of edits are quite obvious to spot, and can be reverted (sometimes in the blink of an eye). Other drawbacks are the very tough policies they have in place for article contributions and additions, coupled with my opinions that a wiki is probably the world's worst computing application for discussion between individuals, since it too, can be edited. [citation needed]

People are quick to dismiss Wikipedia, but usually they are not armed with the facts and do not have a little bit of experience in editing nor contributing to it. No, it is not an all-encompassing source of information, and no page intends to entirely blanket a subject and present all sides (although some are really darn good at it). But with a little knowledge of the expectations of WP and how and why it works, and what it intends to do, it is quite hard to beat as an internet-based reference tool.
 
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Taken from The Office:

Michael Scott - "Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you're getting the best possible information."

And in my opinion, it really is. I use it for every work I do at school. Sure, I had one professor last year who didn't want us to only use Wikipedia. So I used one of Wikipedia's advices, to delete the bibliography :lol:
But seriously, it is great. Whenever I want to learn about an anime, cars, people, songs, punctuation, everything, I go there. Besides, you have to know what you are reading, i.e. "A Cat has five legs"... There's something wrong in there.
 
There was just a bit of sarcasm in my post. I use Wikipedia all of the time. Yet every instructor I've had has been nothing but negative about it. I'm also under the impression that most professors will either fail your paper or give a severe point deduction for using it as a source for even a minor detail.

I know about this. Man, i wish they had wikipedia & internet when I was in school! I woulda definately had an easier time. :lol:
 
Because research means you have to do the research... not rely on some anonymous author to do it for you.

There's still widespread vandalism on Wikipedia where people aren't paying attention... which means you really have to double-check things you take off of Wikipedia.

Unless you're BBC News...

The BBC famously reported, in his obituary, that Ronnie Hazlehurst - legendary 70s/80s TV programme theme writer - had, for no apparent reason, left retirement to pen S Club 7's number one hit "Reach". A bit of a departure for a man previously famous for the themes to Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em (famously it was Morse Code for the show's title), Are You Being Served, Last of the Summer Wine and Yes, Minister.

It turned out that some wag who'd heard the news first put this little snippet on his Wikipedia page, which BBC News (along with the Guardian, Independant and Times newspapers) just lifted straight out and reported without checking first...
 
It turned out that some wag who'd heard the news first put this little snippet on his Wikipedia page, which BBC News (along with the Guardian, Independant and Times newspapers) just lifted straight out and reported without checking first...

The "Seigenthaler Incident" brought Wikipedia both public fame and apparently increased traffic to its site, but also warned the readers of Wikipedia of its potential for bias and error. A lot of U.S. news outlets jumped the shark with this information and "exposed" Wikipedia's so-called faults and foibles, which were already known by the average internet user by that time.

Duh.

But back to the topic at hand, I can't begin to list all that I've learned about things. But usually, I either read about things in which I have no clue at all about (like the latest pop star or some actor/actress from years gone by). And when searching for something by Google or whatever, usually the WP page is in the top 3 of the results, if it is a simple search.

I'll echo Parnelli Bone and say I also wish it existed 10-20 years ago: It's quite helpful in a pinch. Encyclopedias in schools were usually 5+ years old, and you had to use microfiche to look up obscure stuff years ago, which took up an absurd amount of time. Or you just lucked into information, or took people's advice.
 
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Reminds me of an internet news article a few months back... can't recall... might be one of those endless Nissan GT-R (ohmigo****satrashycarjustbecauseitsanissan!) screamfests... It was funny... the online news article linked to another article which linked to a forum discussion which was asking about the accuracy of the news... apparently, somebody had heard a rumor from somebody else... then confirmed the rumor from a news release online... only to find out that the news release confirming the rumor quoted his very first post on the subject as the source.

The internet is a luverly source of news... :lol:
 
Well, i have certainly done tons of research on cars using wikipedia, but wikipedia doesn't cover everything (nor do i expect it to do so) so i always expand my reading searches to other sites. But (as i said) wikipedia is great because it's just flat information with no flights of fancy or unwarranted theorizing. And, popular pages get checked and edited when necessary.


My latest query: the internet itself. Specifically, who actually started it? The CIA? CERN? Al Gore? :lol:;)

And i learned so much. Geez, it is complicated stuff, too. Definatley worth a read for those of you who (like me) have no clue about how it started and why, and how it got from being a military process in the 60s, and is now in my home. Not to sound like a doofus, but i didn't know the www (world wide web) and internet are two seperates, as well.

i'm not going into detail...it's too complicated and i wanna get lunch. :lol:
 
Despite it's faults, Wikipedia is a great pop-culture reference, and always hugely entertaining (if not 100% reliable).
 
I've been using Wikipedia a lot when looking for the explanation of things, as in the explanation and usage of English words. When searching more historic facts, I use Wikipedia as a main source and using other sources as a back-up. So far, everything I've come across was not biased. The thing I really love about Wikipedia though, is the type of information you'll NEVER find in any ordinary library; facts about music bands. Where the heck am I going to search for Pink Floyd's history if Wikipedia weren't available? Love Wikipedia, I absolutely love it! 👍
 
Learned how an LSD works. ^_^

A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
 
If I remember correctly the internet as we know it was made in a competition, dont remember the name of the competition but the same people are making one currently about self driving cars.

And I am surprised you didnt know that.
 
If I remember correctly the internet as we know it was made in a competition, dont remember the name of the competition but the same people are making one currently about self driving cars.

And I am surprised you didnt know that.

I always thought it was made by an English scientist so he and other scientists could share theories and ideas around the scientific community.
 
Nothing so far - But after the first post, I just HAD to quote Denis :-)

Denis Leary
Remember Jim Fixx? The big famous jogging guy? Jogged fifteen miles a day. Did a jogging book. Did a jogging video. Dropped dead of a heart attack when? When he was ******* jogging, that's when!
 
At college I constantly get moaned at by my tutors for using Wikipedia for my research...
 
At college I constantly get moaned at by my tutors for using Wikipedia for my research...
Because research means you have to do the research... not rely on some anonymous author to do it for you.

There's still widespread vandalism on Wikipedia where people aren't paying attention... which means you really have to double-check things you take off of Wikipedia.
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I've found Uncyclopedia to be much more informative. I'm very proud of my page on Formula One.

Me too, i also find the information to be much more original and to the point.

encyclopedia dramatica is just for 4channers who have nothing better to do than to post pictures of naked women... not that there is anything wrong with that mind you, it just needs a time and a place.
Uncyclopedia
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Zrow
Wait, you actually cite Wikipedia?
Well at least he doesn't cite Uncyclopedia.:crazy:

On the topic of Wikipedia's accuracy, people may get things wrong, but there are so many editors that someone else who has a better knowledge of the topic changes it pretty quickly.

As far as using it for a source, my World Civ teacher told us that you should use Wikipedia to get a basic understanding of your topic, then go to other sites to get more in-depth information. I think this is the best way to approach it as Wikipedia always has the general idea of all its topics. It doesn't say the World War II happened in 346 BC and was between Portugal, Madagascar and other minor countries. It's got the basic facts, and many times it's also got the specific ones you need, but since usually you're not allowed to use it as a source, it's good to get an idea of whatever it is you're researching.

:-)
 
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