Thinking about a Ferrari F458 Italia Racing Wheel?

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I realise this hasn’t been released yet (2 more days ;)) but I’m looking for a wheel in this price range and don’t want to play too much of the game with the pad.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005K1SI8A/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

I think it will be several weeks before reliable reviews start to come out so I’m thinking about taking a chance with this. All I can find are previews so have I missed a proper review somewhere or perhaps there is a better wheel at the same price?

I appreciate the Fanatec range are far superior, but I have always used a gamepad for GT and as I’m new to Forza I don’t want to spend serious money for a game I may not like.

I don’t need force feedback, shifter or clutch etc. and I like the fact this wheel is officially supported.

Any advice for this wheel newbie is welcome :)
 
Doesn't look like it supports force feedback. I would not purchase a wheel without that. If you are looking for a wheel on the cheep, try finding a used Microsoft Wireless wheel. Also, don't think of purchasing a Fanatec wheel as being just for Forza. It would transform GT5 for you and any other racing game. I plan to use mine for many years and many games.
 
For an entry level wheel, that seems like a good wheel to go with.
 
Thanks for the info guys 👍

There seems to be a bit of a premium for the ms wheel (at ebay anyway). There is a broken one for £65 for example. The auctions hit silly money and the buy in now options are rare… even then there is something missing or not working. For example, there is one for £95 that “comes with mains charger but not working for some reason” so I would prefer to buy new.

The force feedback just adds to the experience right? Does it aid accuracy?

Fanatec isn’t an option just now. If playing with a wheel blows my mind I might consider buying a cross platform unit, but I’m playing gt5 less and less so probably wont need the option.
 
Just my personal opinion, but if you're not going to get a force feedback wheel, there is no reason to get a wheel. You won't be able to feel anything and I don't think it would really improve the experience at all. I would wait and try to find something cheaper with force feedback.

Parker
 
peobryant
Just my personal opinion, but if you're not going to get a force feedback wheel, there is no reason to get a wheel. You won't be able to feel anything and I don't think it would really improve the experience at all. I would wait and try to find something cheaper with force feedback.

Parker
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I might hold off then... have you played with a non ff wheel?
 
fest0r
I might hold off then... have you played with a non ff wheel?
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Kind of. It was a force feedback wheel but the motor broke. I assume that it's similar to a non ff wheel and I certainly wouldn't recommend that to someone.


Parker
 
peobryant
Just my personal opinion, but if you're not going to get a force feedback wheel, there is no reason to get a wheel. You won't be able to feel anything and I don't think it would really improve the experience at all. I would wait and try to find something cheaper with force feedback.

Parker
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Second this.

The main thing about a wheel isn't so much precision (pad assist take cares of that) but more of feedback, to feel the rear going out and have the wheel help you correct it is the most important thing.

Not to mention on such a cheap wheel the pedals will be so bad it is nothing but an handicap.
 
Thanks for the advice guys 👍

I did mean fate Joel… I’m not meant to buy this wheel :) I guess they have supply issues. I would be annoyed if I had pre-ordered.

From all the feedback about the force ;) I have decided to go for the MS wheel... are they ok for Forza 4?
 
The MS wheel has some play in it, but you can mod it and fix it.

I also used that wheel in FM3, and wired myself an adapter for my G25 pedals (you can hunt on down online there's plenty around) and it works like a charm. the standard pedals are absolutely rubbish except makes your ankle sore.

If you want to save some money but still get the quality you need some DIY! :)
 
I have a Fanatec wheel but I also bought the F4/Speed Wheel bundle and I can't recommend that thing enough. This little thing shouldn't work that well. I thought it would be ****** like that Mario Kart plastic crap but it's so precise it's like it reads your mind. Get. That. Now!

I still prefer my Fanatec, though. :)
 
I’m even more desperate for a wheel now. The standard buttons are digital only :confused: I need to use the trigger buttons to get an analogue setup so I can’t even replicate my setup on the ds3 pad :(

I’m sure the xbox pad is meant to have pressure sensitive buttons like the ps3… am I missing a setting somewhere?
 
Just paid £100 for the MS wheel... probably more than it cost new :lol:

Didn’t like the look of the Wireless Speed Wheel. It gets fairly bad reviews and there seems to be a flood of them on ebay now :odd:
 
fest0r
Just paid £100 for the MS wheel... probably more than it cost new :lol:

Didn’t like the look of the Wireless Speed Wheel. It gets fairly bad reviews and there seems to be a flood of them on ebay now :odd:
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Yeah just a couple bucks more. I should have waited to sell mine. I could probably get $40-$50 more for it now than what I got about a month ago. :banghead:
 
The standard "buy it now" price on ebay UK is £120 and up ($190)… anything under that sells within hours :confused:
 
fest0r
The standard "buy it now" price on ebay UK is £120 and up ($190)… anything under that sells within hours :confused:
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Damn. That's almost double what it was new. I paid $100 new from GameStop 5 years ago. I knew I should have waited to sell it. 🤬
 
I suppose it’s the cheapest option for a well supported wheel with force feedback… I have seen the light and I now hope to use the force :lol:
 
F430 wheel has no FFB so it's useless and the MS wheel is the worst AC powered wheel ever made in the history of earth.
 
My G25 isn't supported so I scoured the web and found a guy selling a used Microsoft Xbox 360 wireless racing wheel for.....here it comes: $40 and he turns out to be local and will deliver tomorrow. Oh yeah!
 
Well, I guess if you don't have the money for a Fanatec it would be ok to buy this wheel. I remember playing with Logitec wheel with no force feedback (yellow rim) during the Porsche Unleashed days on PC and it was pretty good UNTIL I actualy got to try the force feedback equiped version of the same wheel.

There is no turning back after it though.

And do not cheap out. If you have the money, bite the bullet and buy Fanatec. You will never, ever, regret it.👍
 
I hate when people say non FFB wheels are useless. There's no way you can be as precise with the steering with a control pad unless you have a mechanical thumb or are extremely gifted, when you factor in none of the Forza's give you direct 1-to-1 steering at all speeds with a pad the "precise control" argument further out the window IMHO since the ratio is always changing.

Non FFB/bungie wheels served the sim racing community well for years before FFB was commonplace and if many of the well respected and fastest Oval racers in sims such as ARCA or iRacing prefer to run with FFB turned off as it increases their control with the virtual vehicles.

I myself mind FFB a double edged sword, yes it gives good feedback about the current situation in relation to grip at the wheels and in some cases state of the suspension, but I also find the tugging of the wheel that this creates and the force required to turn the wheel can sometime hinder my turn-in speed and force me off-line mid corner.

Once I've had time to warm up to each situation, I find I'm just as quick with FFB enabled or disabled. And in both situations I find my enjoyment of and sim increased 10x over using a control pad.

And although the OP now has a wheel, I feel he's taken a substantial risk by buying into FFB at this level. The MS wheel is unreliable at best, with random button activations and disconnects, FFB pulling to the left and freezing there for seconds at a time and a short life expectancy. I used to buy these MS wheels as a throwaway purchase, currently have my fourth sitting in the corner (in the space of 12-18 months). There is no doubt in my mind the Thrustmaster is the better purchase even without FFB and without even getting within 200 miles of touching one. I wouldn't recommend anybody to pay over £50 for a used MS wheel, ever! It was barely worth £80 new with a warranty.
 
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I hate when people say non FFB wheels are useless. There's no way you can be as precise with the steering with a control pad unless you have a mechanical thumb or are extremely gifted, when you factor in none of the Forza's give you direct 1-to-1 steering at all speeds with a pad the "precise control" argument further out the window IMHO since the ratio is always changing.

Non FFB/bungie wheels served the sim racing community well for years before FFB was commonplace and if many of the well respected and fastest Oval racers in sims such as ARCA or iRacing prefer to run with FFB turned off as it increases their control with the virtual vehicles.

I myself mind FFB a double edged sword, yes it gives good feedback about the current situation in relation to grip at the wheels and in some cases state of the suspension, but I also find the tugging of the wheel that this creates and the force required to turn the wheel can sometime hinder my turn-in speed and force me off-line mid corner.

Once I've had time to warm up to each situation, I find I'm just as quick with FFB enabled or disabled. And in both situations I find my enjoyment of and sim increased 10x over using a control pad.

And although the OP now has a wheel, I feel he's taken a substantial risk by buying into FFB at this level. The MS wheel is unreliable at best, with random button activations and disconnects, FFB pulling to the left and freezing there for seconds at a time and a short life expectancy. I used to buy these MS wheels as a throwaway purchase, currently have my fourth sitting in the corner (in the space of 12-18 months). There is no doubt in my mind the Thrustmaster is the better purchase even without FFB and without even getting within 200 miles of touching one. I wouldn't recommend anybody to pay over £50 for a used MS wheel, ever! It was barely worth £80 new with a warranty.
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Thats the point...FF is commonplace now. Its part of racing games now, as it wasnt back then. Heck the Nintendo NES contoller had 2 buttons. Would that be feasible now? Times change.

Not sure what you did to your MS wheels, but going through 4 in 12-18 months sounds like a user problem not the wheel. The one I still have is years old and still works just fine. Many do.

In this day an age a wheel without FF is a huge question mark to me.

You have a big opinion about a wheel you have not used yet. :confused:
 
Vaxxtx
Thats the point...FF is commonplace now. Its part of racing games now, as it wasnt back then. Heck the Nintendo NES contoller had 2 buttons. Would that be feasible now? Times change.

Not sure what you did to your MS wheels, but going through 4 in 12-18 months sounds like a user problem not the wheel. The one I still have is years old and still works just fine. Many do.

In this day an age a wheel without FF is a huge question mark to me.

You have a big opinion about a wheel you have not used yet. :confused:
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Even though it is common place now you still have people willing to spend big money on non ffb wheels (TSW, ECCI) because it works just as well, if not better, for them. And yes, if two buttons were all I needed to play a game whats the use of five extra buttons, bragging rights? Sure times change, but sometimes it isn't always for the better or even necessary, plenty of modern tech has died on it's feet in recent years only to be resurrected because it's current trend or hip, Apple's iProducts are a prime example of that.

I used my MS wheels as instructed in the user manual, and took extra care knowing how fragile they can be, yet they still failed. If user error is to switch on the wheel and play on low FFB settings never wrenching them or ever reaching the lock stops then so be it. I think even MS knew the wheel was fragile, hence the drastically shortened to 3 month warranty. I bet even your wheel has play in the shaft. Compared to the MS sidewinder wheels this wheel was vastly inferior in quality. I guess the majority of RROD failures are user error too? MS quality dropped badly the ball for xbox products for a period of time, this wheel was one of them, there are user reports to back this up.

I guess you are one of the lucky ones, maybe you didn't use your wheel enough?

You can't honestly believe it's a wise consumer choice to buy something used with no warranty with no real idea what condition it's in or how long it will last over a new product with a warranty? So I do think my big opinion of the thrustmaster wheel is valid
 

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