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OK, just did pulled off an interesting feat.

I'm racing th Schwarzwald Liga B with my Mercedes SLR McLaren, and just ran the Fuji race. It was only a 3 point race, so I decided to handicap myself, and give the field a 15 second head start.

On the last lap, I was right behind the SL55 AMG, and decided to wait until the final straightaway, and make it fun. Came off the corner, and started to slingshot him, but as I came across the line side by side, it said I was in 2nd, +0:00.000. Sure enough in the race results screen:

1st: Mercedes SL55 AMG (R230) '02---5:13.639.
2nd: Mercedes SLR McLaren '03--------5:13.639.

So basically, I waited 1 millisecond too late, and tied for the win, but was given 2nd place.

How does GT determine ties? The other night, I ended up tying with the other Nissan R92CP for the championship in GT All Stars (73 points apiece), but was placed 2nd, despite the fact I led the championship until the last race (had a hard time with the Nordschliefe, finished 4th, and he won). That pissed me off pretty bad, since I had run 10 damn races to win the McLaren F1 Race Car, only to tie, and get kicked to 2nd somehow.

This was the same way in GT3, IIRC. If you tie, you automatically lose.

BTW, has anyone else tied in a race before (had the exact same time, down to the thousandth of a second)?
 
I was in 2nd, and tied the last race and then won it surprisingly. Maybe if the 2nd place car ties with you he wins or vice versa.
 
That's interesting. Maybe because you were in second, you have to pass him by .001 second to get 1st place. Maybe it is the same with the AI player, if he was in second and was about to overtake you, you'll be in first place until the AI player overtakes you by .001 seconds.
 
The championship one is easy. It works on a countback system - he won the last race so he wins the championship. (My theory works perfectly for this instance, anyone care to advance on this? :) )

As for the race, don't know?

Maybe in all cases PD just gives the AI first and the player second just to frustrate you :banghead: so you'll come back for more. :crazy:
 
For the championship, it's probably the number of wins you have in a situation where two or more drivers have the same points, as in most racing series in real life. If multiple drivers have the same points, the one with the most wins in the championship wins...if multiple drivers have the same points and the same wins, it goes back to second places and so on
 
I tied also in a championship and i had the most wins but I came out second, so i think in tie situations the computer will always win:grumpy:
 
At 150mph (241km/h), .001 seconds is a little more than 2.5 in (6.5cm). It's a measurable difference, and can be observed in a photo-finish (you didn't happen to get a picture did you?). Maybe it measures the distance for you?
 
I tied one of the Speedster races. In my case I was blocking madly as he came up beside me causing us both to spin. So not only did we tie we also both crossed the line sideways with the AI in the grass! And I got the win. Wish I would have saved that replay...

Looks like the time is computed to more than 3 places but only 3 places are shown on the results. I thought that a tie always goes to the non-AI car, apparently that is not the case.
 
Maybe with a race finish tie, the win goes to the car in the lead, and not the car trying to pass. For the car in second to win, he actually has to get passed. If he can't (ie: is in line with the opponent at the finish line) then the win goes to the leading car? :)
 
ferrari_chris
Maybe with a race finish tie, the win goes to the car in the lead, and not the car trying to pass. For the car in second to win, he actually has to get passed. If he can't (ie: is in line with the opponent at the finish line) then the win goes to the leading car? :)
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That's exactly what I was trying to explain in my other post. :)
 
Sven
At 150mph (241km/h), .001 seconds is a little more than 2.5 in (6.5cm). It's a measurable difference, and can be observed in a photo-finish (you didn't happen to get a picture did you?). Maybe it measures the distance for you?
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I agree, I would like to see the photo. I hope he saved the replay.
 
DrifterSX
1. I came across the line side by side, it said I was in 2nd, +0:00.000.
2. How does GT determine ties? The other night, I ended up tying with the other Nissan R92CP for the championship in GT All Stars (73 points apiece), but was placed 2nd, despite the fact I led the championship until the last race (had a hard time with the Nordschliefe, finished 4th, and he won).
3. This was the same way in GT3, IIRC. If you tie, you automatically lose.
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In regards to 1. above, I've only had one tie so far, finishing the race in a dead heat and posting a blue +0:00.000, and I also got second place money.

Other folks that posted in this thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=63632

noticed some of the same things that you mention in 2. and 3.
 
Wow, I actually thought the same thing last night, so I did save the replay and have pics of the finish.

Note, this was as close to the line as I could get. I tried about 10 times to get it paused right at the line, but I couldn't get it. I'm about a foot away from the line. BTW, I watched the replay again, and we went across the line at 162mph. It was pretty hard to get it paused right on the line.



 
Close - if that SLR didn't have such a pointy nose?...

It's interesting - in the top and second thumbnail, it looks as though the SLR is in front, but in the bottom one, the SL looks to be in front. This is only a thumbnail thing though, as it doesn't appear to be that way in the full pics. Anybody else notice this, or is it just my eyes playing tricks again? :)
 
Coming second 0’00.000 behind is not a tie. It’s just a very small margin 2nd.

You can lose by 0’00.000 and you can win by 0’00.000.


Check the photo-finish.
 
DeuceOfClub
Coming second 0’00.000 behind is not a tie. It’s just a very small margin 2nd.

You can lose by 0’00.000 and you can win by 0’00.000.


Check the photo-finish.
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That's true in real life, of course, but remember that it's a computer that's checking who wins or loses. If the computer were only to measure race time to an accuracy of 1/1000th of a second (which it obviously doesn't) then it would genuinely be a tie in its eyes (if CPUs have such a thing). The race time must be measured to a greater accuracy than 1/1000th of a second, perhaps in something like clock cycles or milliseconds.
 
amp88
That's true in real life, of course, but remember that it's a computer that's checking who wins or loses. If the computer were only to measure race time to an accuracy of 1/1000th of a second (which it obviously doesn't) then it would genuinely be a tie in its eyes (if CPUs have such a thing). The race time must be measured to a greater accuracy than 1/1000th of a second, perhaps in something like clock cycles or milliseconds.
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And it does.
 
DeuceOfClub
And it does.
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Heh, I know it does. My point was that it's not necessarily as cut-and-dry as saying "humans can tell the difference so the game should be able to aswell". Computers aren't adaptable and don't have opinions (well, not in the traditional sense anyway), so although any decent game will always be able to distinguish between two cars in a situation like this, it's always possible for a poor dev team to overlook something like this (cough, m$, cough).
 
amp88
For the championship, it's probably the number of wins you have in a situation where two or more drivers have the same points, as in most racing series in real life. If multiple drivers have the same points, the one with the most wins in the championship wins...if multiple drivers have the same points and the same wins, it goes back to second places and so on
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I believe that in tournament situations it is whoever wins the last race takes everything. In other words the last race is "winner take all" if you lose it and are tied with an AI car the AI wins every time.
 
Interesting question ... I have never had a situation where I was on level with the AI at the last event ... is that possible ?
 
DrifterSX
Wow, I actually thought the same thing last night, so I did save the replay and have pics of the finish.
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It appears to me that the nose of the SLR is ever so slightly ahead of the other car, but that begs the question, is time cut off with the nose or front wheels?
 
Sven
It appears to me that the nose of the SLR is ever so slightly ahead of the other car, but that begs the question, is time cut off with the nose or front wheels?
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I think the time stops as soon as the nose passes the line, not the front wheels.
 
I think front wheels. Simply because I think most wheel basis are the same except for special cars (for the pit crew work). But I don't know. Just an opinion. I haven't had a + or - 0.00.000 tie. But I have golded a few licences by 0.001. It's so so satisfying. :)
 
DrifterSX
OK, just did pulled off an interesting feat.

I'm racing th Schwarzwald Liga B with my Mercedes SLR McLaren, and just ran the Fuji race. It was only a 3 point race, so I decided to handicap myself, and give the field a 15 second head start.

On the last lap, I was right behind the SL55 AMG, and decided to wait until the final straightaway, and make it fun. Came off the corner, and started to slingshot him, but as I came across the line side by side, it said I was in 2nd, +0:00.000. Sure enough in the race results screen:

1st: Mercedes SL55 AMG (R230) '02---5:13.639.
2nd: Mercedes SLR McLaren '03--------5:13.639.

So basically, I waited 1 millisecond too late, and tied for the win, but was given 2nd place.

How does GT determine ties? The other night, I ended up tying with the other Nissan R92CP for the championship in GT All Stars (73 points apiece), but was placed 2nd, despite the fact I led the championship until the last race (had a hard time with the Nordschliefe, finished 4th, and he won). That pissed me off pretty bad, since I had run 10 damn races to win the McLaren F1 Race Car, only to tie, and get kicked to 2nd somehow.

This was the same way in GT3, IIRC. If you tie, you automatically lose.

BTW, has anyone else tied in a race before (had the exact same time, down to the thousandth of a second)?
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I tied with the Subaru 360 on the mission where you are in the 2003 Subaru Impreza rally car. I won though (very fortunate) :)
 

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