Time Trial Online top 10s - Ya right...Ok.

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I'm probably not the first noticing or writing about this, but man that's some serious problem they have with the penalty system, or apparent lack in some versions of the game or something. I was actually trying to make good times without trying to do stupid sh#t, well what a waste that was for the most part. :indiff:

After downloading some of the top 10 ghosts and driving against them, these guys are like totally riding the walls and rails with no apparent barrier penalty. I've tried it and ya in some places you don't get hit with it, but most of the time you do. Meanwhile buddy's just skipping along on the outside rail or whatever pulling out on you by 2 or 3 seconds.

I really hope they somehow get a handle on that 'cause it kinda takes away the fun of trying to get into the top 10 on what ever track you're running on.

I did manage to get 10th on one, and I did skip the outside wall slightly, it was an unintentional drift. Still knowing you can do that and perhaps knock 2 seconds of your time kinda ruins it.

Not game bashing or anything, just hope they fix that little issue somehow. 👍
 
I feel you. I tried doing a time trial today and after watching the No. 1 replay, I realized it was impossible to beat by racing a legit race line. I barely rubbed the wall on the last turn on the High Speed Ring and I get a penalty. The No. 1 replay smacks the wall on the 2nd turn and keeps going like nothing happened. I'm also not bashing the game(I LOVE IT!) but there are a few things that need to be worked out, especially the penalty system.
 
I got a WR w/ the Tamora in the Arcade Time Trials w/ standard physics (I know...that's weak) at Suzuka and I am sure I can beat that time by at least another full second if I gave it some time.

I tried the online PP750 Time Trials with the Tuned Viper. I pulled a 2.03.1xx ranking at only #407!!! That's pretty fast for the Viper imo. I can tell where I can make up a little time and can see getting it to a 2.01 or 2.02.xxx, but any faster would be insane. The top Tuned Viper is running around a 1.56 or 1.57 and change as I recall. There is no way to download the ghost/replay because it ranked in at #17. I really don't think a time like that is even remotely possible with the NTSC version, but feel free to prove me wrong.

As I understand, people are getting faster lap times with the "Japanese release" versions of GT5 than people are getting with the NTSC versions. If that is true, I feel a little better, but the leaderboards should reflect this...if it is indeed true.
 
Yeah. I got frustrated also when I downhloaded some of the Top Ten replays. There were a few from Japan that did legitimate runs without hitting fences or riding rails. Download the Japanese labaeled times for the BMW at Eiger. The top time is from the US - impressive, but big fence bang. The Japanese times were cleaner and almost as quick. However, I respect their driving skills much more that those of the top time driver.
 
That's why I don't like HSR.

Any contact at all in a Time Trial should disqualify the run from a ranking. Simple, fair, effective.
 
Yeah I've noticed that too on a few circuits, especially Fuji F, where the top 2 or 3 times in Pro physics mode tend to have laps that involve using an awful lot of the astro-turf (especially the 2nd last corner before the main straight). In my opinion, Time Trials should have the circuit very clearly marked and any (and I do mean ANY) corner cutting, wall-riding and 'extraneous circuit' use should be disallowed.

Sounds like this is a whinge thread, but I believe that some times recorded are questionable.

Anyone else have any dubious top ten times?
 
Meh, I only do time trials on Daytona Road and Suzuka, and have plenty of top tens on both pro and standard physics without so much as clipping the grass on most runs. On HSR you aren't going to get away from people wallriding be it on time trials or races.
 
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Sounds like this is a whinge thread

Not at all, just don't like uneven coding in what should be a game that is equal no matter where you are running it. And I'm sure PSN/PD/Someone will do something about, god I hope...hahaha

There are for sure top 10s that are almost funny to watch, dudes driving straight into the outside wall and bouncing off with no penalty at all. It's not even subtle. Apparently if you hit it at the right angle and speed the game thinks you've crashed perhaps so doesn't apply the barrier penalty. That would be my guess.

The first time I loaded up someones ghost as refenence and started I was like, 'where the hell is he going?' and it's like smash! and he's picked up like 3 seconds on me... :crazy:

I tried it a few times and it does work, on the HighSpeed Ring you can drill the wall in the second turn and pick up 2 seconds if you can control the bounce. 👍 But I mean that's not right so....ya know, I don't.

They should do what MotoCross Madness did when you rode way off course, the game just blew you miles into the air and dumped you on the ground somewhere, that would be nifty.
 
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As I understand, people are getting faster lap times with the "Japanese release" versions of GT5 than people are getting with the NTSC versions. If that is true, I feel a little better, but the leaderboards should reflect this...if it is indeed true.
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Does anyone know if this is true? I tried to do the 750pp Suzuka TT on the NTSC version with a Ford GT, but the best I got was a 2:00.xx ...I mean, I could see how people are getting 1:59 but the leader is 1:56.xx, that just seems insane.
 
Sa!!yz~Rage
There are for sure top 10s that are almost funny to watch, dudes driving straight into the outside wall and bouncing off with no penalty at all. It's not even subtle. Apparently if you hit it at the right angle and speed the game thinks you've crashed perhaps so doesn't apply the barrier penalty. That would be my guess.
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yea they pull the e-brake right before they hit so their rear quarter panel hits it.

People did this with GT:HD sort of also. Right before the finish there was this double apex right with a sand pit on the outside. So you'd think you couldn't ride the wall. But people would just go full throttle STRAIGHT through the sand pit and bounce off the wall so hard they ended up BACK on the track, facing the right direction.

The best time I had (clean driving) was like 1'07 or something, which was enough to make the top 10, but the guy in #1 ran like a 1'04. Pretty soon more people started doing it. Although eventually somebody deleted their times...which was good.
 
I should say though that not all the tracks are driven like that. Didn't want to leave the impression that I don't think anyone can pop the top 10 without skating on the wall. :)
 
Another thing that I've noticed is the extremely fast starting speeds on some #1 replays. For example, the #1 Audi R8 time on professional physics shows the car crossing the starting line at 135 mph. I reduced the weight to the min and increase HP to the max, and the fastest I can manage (with a very clean acceleration out of the chicanes) is 130 mph. This is with gearing adjustments, ride height, etc. Does this seem suspicious to anyone, or am I just... bad?
 
yup there should be some judgement on posted online rankings
but meanwhile,
i'm trying to think the other way... how do they manage to ride walls without penalty ? now that's another challenge... ;)
 
Running the F1 2007 on the Superspeedway Daytona is like micro surgery or something. Running the wall isn't an issue that's for sure, what I like is that just the tiniest twitch from hitting a blade of grass and you've got a dead run.

Maybe I'm a little masochistic or something... 👍
 
10th in the mustang at Suzuka with pro physic and stock car and no wall hit or grass short cut, but its possible that I'm not there anymore :| my PSN user name is MastrFocus
 
I had a 2:03 and change a month ago at Suzuka in a Viper and there was no way in hell I was going to pick up more than another one second on that run no matter what I did. It put me at rank 77(700 PP at the time before the changes were made) I watched the replay of Trek_450 number one time and his run was perfect and clean,was running a viper,and was jpn version. This was pro setting by the way. His car stuck like crazy glue in the corners and was super fast in the esses and all corners. The GT5P versions are all not equal between regions. Jpn version is 7 to 8 seconds a lap faster than all others. Also at the time 90% of the top 100 times at Suzuka were all Jpn. I know Suzuka is their home track but come on 7 seconds faster a lap,somethings not right here PD! You need to make it a fair playing field for all as I assume someday GT5 full version will be complete world competition.
 
Personally I don't understand why they'd make different versions faster. I mean if there are not going to be private rooms in the final version for online play then why would we want to bang our heads against the wall racing online when we know there's very little chance of winning? :dunce:

I don't mind a challenge but, when it's stacked against you? ... We'll see.
 
The other option if you don't like people getting unfair top ten times, is just to use a less popular car in the time trials. Everyone uses Ferraris, Vipers, Corvettes, Amuse S2000s etc so there are going to be a lot more people cheating to get the times.
 
GTP_Redline
I had a 2:03 and change a month ago at Suzuka in a Viper and there was no way in hell I was going to pick up more than another one second on that run no matter what I did. It put me at rank 77(700 PP at the time before the changes were made) I watched the replay of Trek_450 number one time and his run was perfect and clean,was running a viper,and was jpn version.
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Just an FYI, I have been running the Viper a lot lately and I am frequently hitting 2.02's lately. (PP750 Time Trial) I would have easily gotten into the 2.01's on one particular run but I lost my back end coming out of Spoon due to wheelspin and had to lift and wiggle around to regain control. My ghost was a good bit behind me most of the run and was barely behind me as I crossed the finish. :ouch:

I am still with you though. There is no way it is possible to shave several more seconds off a run like that. There has got to be a difference in lap times between regions.
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:dunce::confused::irked:!!! While writing this reply, I just looked at the Arcade Time Trial leaderboards. The #1 Tuned Viper driver, running a stock car on S2 tires, has a best time of 2.04.079. I guess that pretty much confirms it is a regional difference.

No way that can be NTSC...No freakin' way.
 
It annoys me greatly and something that must be done about it before the regional unlock (which I am it will.) It just confuses me as to why it exists in the first place.
 
THat's why I only do Daytona Road...Skills..no walls..
 
Just give us Daytona road in every PP limit, we need more wall-less circuits in there. Suzuka is the only decent 500PP at the moment.

I don't see many regional differences in time trial times - as far as I can see, there are usually a high percentage of Japanese drivers in the top times, followed in percentage terms by German drivers, and then there's usually a mix of Americans, UK drivers, the French, Spanish, Belgians, Dutch, Aussies, Italians... it doesn't look biased in any particular direction.
 
I have both NA and JP versions, and I haven't noticed any difference in times. I'm running just fine with the Japanese in the arcade rankings using my NA version.
 
L_Hamilton
THat's why I only do Daytona Road...Skills..no walls..
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You're pretty quick aswell mate.

I haven't spent much time on prologue recently due to being in hospital and found I could only run around 4 laps before having to quit out due to pain. However im going to spend more time on Daytona road shortly and improve some of my times. The only thing that irritates me on Daytona road is i've lost count how many times im up on my time only to mess up the last chicane. I did try removing my ghost but still knowing my split times sometimes puts me off especially when im on a fast one.

As for different versions being quicker im not so sure. The only thing I will say is sometimes I notice on Daytona road the no1 time looks very scruffy and I think to myself how on earth they managed that time with those racing lines.
 
Alot of the top times are from Japan, but that could be because they have had the game for 5-6 months now and NTSC drivers have only had it for 1 month.

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I had a 2:03 and change a month ago at Suzuka in a Viper and there was no way in hell I was going to pick up more than another one second on that run no matter what I did. It put me at rank 77(700 PP at the time before the changes were made) I watched the replay of Trek_450 number one time and his run was perfect and clean,was running a viper,and was jpn version. This was pro setting by the way. His car stuck like crazy glue in the corners and was super fast in the esses and all corners. The GT5P versions are all not equal between regions. Jpn version is 7 to 8 seconds a lap faster than all others. Also at the time 90% of the top 100 times at Suzuka were all Jpn. I know Suzuka is their home track but come on 7 seconds faster a lap,somethings not right here PD! You need to make it a fair playing field for all as I assume someday GT5 full version will be complete world competition.
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I watched trek450's 750pp Suzuka #1 time and in my opinion the car had unreal grip. He did a nice almost too nice job in being smooth but the grip level of the car was just unreal.

The car braked so well it seemed like he was running 100/200 kgs lighter then everyone. Maybe not using ABS is his secret.

He even managed to take 130R at 144mph. I've only managed to go through there at 134mph in my best run, a good 10mph off. Either he's got a super setup or the JP version is different from the NTSC version.

But in the end he is only a couple of seconds faster then some NTSC drivers and that may be due to setup and JP/PAL drivers having more time behind the wheel
 

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