Tips on minimising tyre wear in 24 hour race

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I'm on 99% completion and look to do the final 2 A-spec 24 races. First up is the Le Mans 24 Hour. I plan to use the Toyota Minolta (please shout at me if this isn't the best option (no X1 though!)).

I find that the major downfall in A-Spec is the AI's ability to preserve tyres from wear. I can get ahead easily, but I am often caught when I burn through a set of tyres in half the time of the AI.

Are there any good driving or tuning/setup tips for preserving tyres?
 
Racing hard tires. Raise the car ride height, stiffen the springs and see of you can change your toe from positive to negative at the same values. As for driving, once you get a lead, back off and run consistent lap times that allow you to maintain the interval.
 
I assume a good dose of traction control would also help?

I'll have a look at raising ride height now. Wouldn't a balanced toe be better than negative? I usually run with (i forget if it's negative or positive toe)... whatever makes the car a bit more sensitive on turn in.
 
BUMP! I am looking for similar ideas, but, in online series. I'm doing well for lap times, and I am trying to drive more consistently. The problem I'm having with my driving, is I don't know how to get longer tire life while getting consistent laps. Is it more turning, or braking, that damages the tires? And, if so, what kind of turning? I know it's the long, sweeping corners, but, for example, is it better to tap the brakes on entry to a sweeper, or is it better to coast for a long period of time around the corner? Consider the first sector of Indy, please, as a reference.
 
MrMelancholy15
BUMP! I am looking for similar ideas, but, in online series. I'm doing well for lap times, and I am trying to drive more consistently. The problem I'm having with my driving, is I don't know how to get longer tire life while getting consistent laps. Is it more turning, or braking, that damages the tires? And, if so, what kind of turning? I know it's the long, sweeping corners, but, for example, is it better to tap the brakes on entry to a sweeper, or is it better to coast for a long period of time around the corner? Consider the first sector of Indy, please, as a reference.
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Slow down to appropriate speed from the start, if you're trying to avoid wheel-spin, then try only partial throttle- 50-75%. Once you slip, turn it back.
 
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Slow down to appropriate speed from the start, if you're trying to avoid wheel-spin, then try only partial throttle- 50-75%. Once you slip, turn it back.
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Do you know which sort of tire-loading is better? If I slightly tap the brakes, before a sweeper, I load the front tires, and get really neutral steering; BUT, I'm loading the front tires. So, the tires won't skid as much, but, I'm putting more weight/pressure on them. Do you know which is better?
 
I've found the thing that has really worked for me was to have all the brake balance values set to zero. It made my tyres last 25/30% longer with very little drop off in total performance.
 
Fido996
I've found the thing that has really worked for me was to have all the brake balance values set to zero. It made my tyres last 25/30% longer with very little drop off in total performance.
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Holy crap?! I really wouldn't believe that otherwise... But, because I'm willing to step beyond logic for this tire life stuff, I'm going to test it. Of course, there's obviously a chance that you're trolling, and that the brakes just won't even function at all...
 
alex98uk
I assume a good dose of traction control would also help?

I'll have a look at raising ride height now. Wouldn't a balanced toe be better than negative? I usually run with (i forget if it's negative or positive toe)... whatever makes the car a bit more sensitive on turn in.
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I never use TC and I get very, very good tire wear.

From this post it sounds like you are losing the front tires first. You could try adding some ballast behind the center point of the car...20 kg at 15 would be a good start. Or, you could try increasing the front damper compression setting by a point. Or, you could try increasing the front spring rate. Or, you could try raising the front ride height one click which will also increase spring rate slightly. It may be some combination of these things.

I don't do it, but some of my friends run high negative rear toe values to improve their tire wear. Something like -30.
 
I completely agree with everything that has been said so far...I used the Toyota GT-ONE for the 24hr races...and for tire life I just made sure to be smooth and consistent on corners, as well as never stabbing the throttle too hard...just ease on to the throttle after every turn, and also, for long sweeping corners, just coast...muchuch easier for tires
 
Fido996
I've found the thing that has really worked for me was to have all the brake balance values set to zero. It made my tyres last 25/30% longer with very little drop off in total performance.
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I believe this is one of GT5's least understood aspects to tuning, brake strength and balance. In any race where tire wear is important I rarely go above 3 front or back. I finished in the top 200 of the FGT Time Trial at Indy with 1/0. Just won a 30 lap enduro at Trial Mountain on RH tires with a 3/2 setting and really soft on the brake pedal.

Most tunes you see posted here on GTPlanet have brake balances of 4-7 front and back, which is great for a 4 laps sprint online, but really chews up the tires. For longer races go as low as you can. Many tracks in the game don't require a great deal of hard braking. I haven't tried 0/0 yet but I might just give it a spin...💡
 
MrMelancholy15
Do you know which sort of tire-loading is better? If I slightly tap the brakes, before a sweeper, I load the front tires, and get really neutral steering; BUT, I'm loading the front tires. So, the tires won't skid as much, but, I'm putting more weight/pressure on them. Do you know which is better?
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Anytime you brake, you're loading up the front tires. Someone mentioned the brake balance, and they're right. You can mark a 1 front, 2 rear balance... but I'd leave it neutral in a high torque car like the Minolta. Slow in, fast out. So, if it's a sweeper like the Porsche curves, slow down before by trail braking. It doesn't usually load up too much. Then once you hit the apex and realize the car is going to rotate through, then get back on the throttle.

*I'm assuming you're not looking to run 100% qualifying laps, since it's for the 24 hour race.
 

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