Tire warm up in gt5p?

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I'm with HyperDan. To me the car feels much looser on the first lap of a race but not in freerun
 
I am going to compare some replays today with "cold" and "warm" tires and see if I can notice a difference in when the tires squiel compared to G meter.. I know there is something happening, but if its tire heat I dont know..
 
This has something to do with what settings you use,bumper/cockpit+controller/wheel and ABS 0/ABS 1.I think this game has many different options depending on what is used as a 'my way of driving SIMULATION'.
Yes,there is tire wear/heat.Atleast when using cockpit,clutch,ABS 0.
 
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I would have to agree with MAY, the idea that your tires need to warm up, or that grip levels drop off towards the end of a 10 lap race (ie Suzuka) is 'all in your head'. Now everyone think about this;
The high levels of focus needed to sustain your greatest pace is quite great, regardless of whether your capability limits you to pulling 2'01's or 2'04.
The reason why some have found that they feel their tires are less 'sticky' on the first lap or two in a race, where they dont experience this in Free Run, is simply because unless you start in first place you are having to take into account those driving around you. That can cause you to have lower concetration levels on what your cars doing, because your putting some concentration into being aware of what those around you are doing.
I think that everyone just needs to realize that even the smallest drop in concentration can disrupt your rythym and race speed, this becomes increasingly obvious when racing cars that don't have a setup for good stability, you have to put more concetration into just keeping it 'all-together' so to speak. So just a minor drop in concetration can make all the difference.;)
Regarding the last few laps where it has been said that the tyres grip levels drop off, is far more likley to be caused by you having been racing at your limit for 6-7 laps, I think that your concetration levels might actually be what is dropping off not your tires.:D
Also the fact that PD has not even hinted at the presence of tire wear in GT5: Prologue, it is highly unlikey that it exists.
However this is just my point of view, each to their own.;)👍
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Well I often 10 laps in free run where im not trying to go fast, just fun driving and I still feel it every time;) Not much consetration is needed then...

Im sick today:( So dont think I will do the replay compare afterall...
 
alexperalta0695
I agree with VOLCANO first I though I was now that he mentioned Im not lol
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Really dont understand you here...bit cryptic to me. :lol:


MAY: My problem is I dont have a computer so thinking of it I cant post no video, so it whouldnt solve anything. If I said I did the test and I prove you wrong no one will belive.

But if anyone whould like to do a test like that and post video thats great* 👍


* Look post #32
 
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mr_VOLCANO
I am going to compare some replays today with "cold" and "warm" tires and see if I can notice a difference in when the tires squiel compared to G meter.. I know there is something happening, but if its tire heat I dont know..
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My guess is squealing is irrelevant. But what you could do is measure the amount of G-force the car can generate on Lap1 vs. Lap2 vs Lap10, that will give a positive answer, assuming the G-meter is correct.

I dont think you can pull more than 2 G's on lap 1 in the S's with my setup at suzuka in the 111R Tuned. Pulling 2 G's + is possible every lap after. I was racing and not concentrating on the meter completely. 2 people, or 1 person with a camera is needed to this test correctly. Video verification would be really cool also.
 
I agree with Rusty, concentration is what affects lap times, not imaginary tyre wear.

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I was thinking about this topic the other day wondering if this exists. I came to the conclusion that it was all in my head and I was slowing at the end of races only because my mind believed there was tyre wear/tyres warming up etc. I really don't think it makes a difference how long you drive or how little you drive, I believe now that the tyre condition doesn't change. But I do know when you go off the road the tyres lose a considerable amount of grip, I suppose that's where the thought of this topic came from for me as I knew if you went off it affects the tyres.
 
I dont think theres any tire wear at all. I normally get my fastest laps near the closing laps of a race where im pushing the car to its limits. Now i may not be a D1 gold alien but i can be as consistent as anybody. And in terms of warm ups, ive occasionally beaten times in TT on the very lap i have restarted after a quick blunder... I guess the only thing we can unanimously agree on is the reduction of tire grip after quick off on the grass or sand.

I can only still wonder why PD doesnt have a more in depth tire physics. It's one of the most important fundamentals of motorsports. Tire pressure adjustments anyone?
 
Masi_23
I can only still wonder why PD doesnt have a more in depth tire physics. It's one of the most important fundamentals of motorsports. Tire pressure adjustments anyone?
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I'm fairly convinced we will see more in depth tyre physics in GT5 Masi, not sure if it'll go as far as tyre pressure but I'd love it if they could model that!
 
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Masi_23
I dont think theres any tire wear at all. I normally get my fastest laps near the closing laps of a race where im pushing the car to its limits.
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Correct answer. There is no tyre wear in GT5:P and you can't see a tyre wear shower on the HUD, so really, the way you drive isn't affected by tyre wear.
 
I think we ALL agree there is no tire warm up in TT or Freerun.

The Question is in a race. Though I have only checked the G-meter in heated battles in the last 2 days, it is hard for me to say if that is accurate or not. I have seen the G-meter go over 2 G's on the first lap, but it seems it can NOT stay above, or at, 2 G's for a sustained period of time.

The seat of my pants tells me the same story. My cars slide more in the first few turns (turns 1, 2, and 3 at Suzuka)

This is just opinion, no facts available here.
 
mr_VOLCANO
Really dont understand you here...bit cryptic to me. :lol:


MAY: My problem is I dont have a computer so thinking of it I cant post no video, so it whouldnt solve anything. If I said I did the test and I prove you wrong no one will belive.

But if anyone whould like to do a test like that and post video thats great* 👍


* Look post #32
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sorry what i meant was i though I was crazy but im not my bad:scared:
 
Just to throw my 2 cents in, there definitely is tire warm-up during online races (and not TT or free.)
It takes ~ half a lap to warm.
There is no tire wear whatsoever.

I've tested this many, many, MANY times, because I couldn't believe it at first.
I threw away so many races in first-corner wrecks, and I thought it was all nerves, just me gettin all flustered and stuff.
I tested it with hundreds of laps at Suzuka in free, starting dead from the grid to rule out speed from the straight - noting corner entry speed/position/braking point, apex speed/etc, exit speed/etc at first corner.
I'd then jump into a race and concentrate on only the first corner, forcing myself to replicate everything I burned into my brain in free.
I did this over and over, and the more consistent I got, the more I would consistently crash.

There is zero doubt in my mind - tire warming exists.
 
I thin it's really more of your mentality, over time, you learn the rack better ,but off track for a while, you lose the memory of everything and have to do a few laps to get your pace back up.
 
I don't believe there is any tire wear/warm up in GT5P. Racing the F40 many times over the past few days, i can pull the same speed through the corners on the opening lap as i do on the last lap, or any other lap for that matter.

The only change in grip levels I feel are when you have an off and get dirty tires, you definantly have to slow your speed during the following corners or you'll be off again, so many times I've seen this, and done this myself :D
 
IMHO, there is tire warm-up in the online races, normally it takes 1/2 lap before I "feel" full grip.
As far as tire wear, not sure of this but I would not be surprised if it is there.
Lap times dropping towards the end of the race could be due to lower fuel level=lighter car.

Who know's :indiff:
 
GTP_Hyperspeed
I notice on lap 1 online that the car feels looser, as if the tyres are cold. But never noticed it in free run, but then again never really looked for it.

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I noticed that it seems that way too.
I don't think it's there at all for time trials or free run though, I think your getting in the groove.
I've been racing Daytona Speedway LOTS lately, and every single race, the first turn, I simply cannot exit at the same speed I do for the rest of the race, and I've probably run 100 first laps now. And I'm very consistent, my laps usually range between 43.200 and 43.400 with freak laps of 43.047 here and there:)
 
GTP_Hyperspeed
I notice on lap 1 online that the car feels looser, as if the tyres are cold. But never noticed it in free run, but then again never really looked for it.

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I too have noticed this, but also on Suzuka free run just after you switch on PS3 for some practice laps.

I pull away from the start on the back straight heading for the Casio Triangle and every time it will over shoot with the brake full on DFGT.

Maybe it's me, maybe a thing with DFGT, but happen's every time.

Phillip. :grumpy:
 
I believe, what you are saying (mr_Volcano) is true.

In my event races at Suzuka, I have had trouble keeping the car straight on the 1st 1/2 of the 1st lap of every race.
Other races I have on Friday nights backs up this senario also.
 
dranddad
I pull away from the start on the back straight heading for the Casio Triangle and every time it will over shoot with the brake full on DFGT.

Maybe it's me, maybe a thing with DFGT, but happen's every time.
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That, I believe, is actually a peculiarity of the wheel support subsystem in GT5P. It happens with the G25 too, but it happens only the first time I use the brake. If I disconnect the wheel with the game running however, it will happen again the next time I use the brake. Looking at the on-screen indicator, you'll notice the brake is applied fully when it happens, no matter how hard you press the pedal.

I can easily prevent it from happening by pressing the brake pedal once in the menus or during a loading interval. 👍
 
Good there are some who agree with me, so I dont look totaly crazy :lol:

I just cant belive something I feel every time I race online is in my head. Even when I have done 10 online races in a row (yes it happens :lol:)I feel tires need warming 1.lap .
 

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