Tire wear on the Castrol Mugen NSX

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I'm currently using this car on the Amatuer Championships. But my tires wear out (the indicator is all red) at the last or second to last lap on most of the races. Any suggestions? I'm using super-softs. Should I change to a more durable tire, and would it have a lot or a little effect on cornering?
 
Realist128
I'm currently using this car on the Amatuer Championships. But my tires wear out (the indicator is all red) at the last or second to last lap on most of the races. Any suggestions? I'm using super-softs. Should I change to a more durable tire, and would it have a lot or a little effect on cornering?
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Definately use a harder compound. It will have less grip, but hey you won't have to pit, but the others do. That's where you make your gains. It depends on the compound you use to determine the lack of grip.
 
Definitely, Super-softs are only good for about 3 laps! Try the medium-soft or medium tyres. Mediums generally work well for 5 to 7 laps depending on the car, obviously the heavier the car, the shorter the lifespan, and how ragged the driver is, the more you slide & wheelspin, the worse they'll wear too.
Remember, brake in a straight line and accelerate smoothly through the bends.
 
I never use any medium-soft, soft, or super-soft tires. They wear out very quickly and can make the car spin out easily. I prefer medium-slick to slick tires. I do not buy super-slick tires because even though they have the longest life cycle, they have the least grip for turning.
 
Klonie Gun
I never use any medium-soft, soft, or super-soft tires. They wear out very quickly and can make the car spin out easily. I prefer medium-slick to slick tires. I do not buy super-slick tires because even though they have the longest life cycle, they have the least grip for turning.
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Do keep in mund that the super softs are great for races with no tire wear, if you want to cough up the 40-45K credits for them.

They will contibute to fast lap times.
 
Super Soft are suicidal! I run T2 on a lot of my cars, I wish I could run T3 on my F1s, but maybe next time.

Klonie Gun- Want an escudo-like driving experience? Grab a decent powered 4WD car and run Super Soft in the rear and Super Slick up front. Under-Steeeeer!
 
Maybe I could put some super slicks on the front and med-softs on the rear. So I have good grip on the rears and durability on the fronts for turns and such? I dunno much about the mechanics of the game, just trying to use common sense.
 
Realist128
Maybe I could put some super slicks on the front and med-softs on the rear. So I have good grip on the rears and durability on the fronts for turns and such? I dunno much about the mechanics of the game, just trying to use common sense.
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If you're only doing amateur league races which are 5 laps long, mediums all round should be just fine, you don't need to worry about super-slicks until you get into the professional league and are running races of 10 laps or more.
Also you're using the Castrol Mugen NSX which is MR, and MR cars are usually a lot lighter on tyres than their FR or 4WD counterparts.
Good luck & have fun! :)
 
Thanks guys. I just started using different tires, I've been just slapping on normals or racing but I find I corner better at different tracks with different kinds of tires.

And I was gonna ask about Pro League, I guess you got a little ahead of me. But do you guys pit in Pro League at all? Cause I'd suspect the tires would wear out around lap 7 or 8 on a longer track.
 
I just wanted to comment on something that no one mentioned.

With any race that has tire wear you will find that regardless of what tire you use, you will always go through the entire range of grip levels.

With super softs in a tire wear race you will hit your peak grip (green color indicator) on something like your second lap after a pit stop but that peak grip level will not last for more than 2 or 3 laps (tops).

However, with super slicks in a tire wear race you will hit the same grip level eventually, only it will be several laps later in a race and the length of time you run on that peak grip level will be increased due to the tire's increased durability.

The problem with this is that when you run super slicks it takes several laps to warm up the tires, and because of that you will be running on tires with horrible grip levels for the first few laps after you pit.

Now I hope I was able to put these thoughts down correctly, but if anyone reads this and would like to elaborate on the idea, or contradict it... by all means, be my guest. :D

Later.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention...

If your looking for strategy about which tires to use, etc, etc.

Start by looking at your budget.
First choice for the budget racer would be super slicks. They are the cheapest and they last the longest (which is great for all the pro league races).

If you have a budget big enough to warrant several tire choices, I suggest you go into each racing cup and find the number of laps for the races.
Then use that number to get a pitting strategy for the length of race, then pick a tire that will last for the perfect pitting strategy.

Hope that helps. :D
 
Realist128
I'm currently using this car on the Amatuer Championships. But my tires wear out (the indicator is all red) at the last or second to last lap on most of the races. Any suggestions? I'm using super-softs. Should I change to a more durable tire, and would it have a lot or a little effect on cornering?
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Well using Super-Soft explains your answer for you.
 
GoKents
I just wanted to comment on something that no one mentioned.

With any race that has tire wear you will find that regardless of what tire you use, you will always go through the entire range of grip levels.

With super softs in a tire wear race you will hit your peak grip (green color indicator) on something like your second lap after a pit stop but that peak grip level will not last for more than 2 or 3 laps (tops).

However, with super slicks in a tire wear race you will hit the same grip level eventually, only it will be several laps later in a race and the length of time you run on that peak grip level will be increased due to the tire's increased durability.

The problem with this is that when you run super slicks it takes several laps to warm up the tires, and because of that you will be running on tires with horrible grip levels for the first few laps after you pit.

Now I hope I was able to put these thoughts down correctly, but if anyone reads this and would like to elaborate on the idea, or contradict it... by all means, be my guest.

:D
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Kents, one small point I would like to pick up on.
You typed ,
"However, with super slicks in a tire wear race you will hit the same grip level eventually"
Same grip level as what?
I am not sure what you exactly meant but Super Softs give a higher ultimate grip than Super Slicks tyres give. This is the reason why soft tyres give better lap times than hard tyres which I am sure you are aware of.
Cheers.
Uncle Harry.
 
Uncle Harry
Kents, one small point I would like to pick up on.
You typed ,
"However, with super slicks in a tire wear race you will hit the same grip level eventually"
Same grip level as what?
I am not sure what you exactly meant but Super Softs give a higher ultimate grip than Super Slicks tyres give. This is the reason why soft tyres give better lap times than hard tyres which I am sure you are aware of.
Cheers.
Uncle Harry.
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It's a little late in the night, but I think I have an idea of what I was trying to say. ;)

I was trying to explain that in races with tire wear super slicks will eventually get to the same "green grip value" and hold that value for longer than super softs will.

Unfortunately there is no real way to test this out since each race will inflict tire wear differently and the only way to test this would be a scientific comparison of "super soft green grip lap times" vs "super slick green grip lap times."

In that sort of test you would need identical laps in terms of steering, acceleration as well as any other factors that affect tire wear.
Then you would need to have several of these identical laps from only "green tire grip values" from each tire.

You would also need identical laps in terms of racer control during the peak grip time.

Another problem in this is that the green grip only last for a short period and it's not necessarily going to be from the start of a lap to the finish of that same lap; it may start in middle of a lap and end in the middle of the next.

Until this sort of testing is done, I can't say much more than my opinion.

In the end it's always going to come down to the lap you run when you have your green tires at their max.

Of course, I've gotta admit, I'm not even sure which color indicates the max grip level in a tire wear race. :dunce:

Oh well, give your thoughts or whatever. :D
later.

Note that I totally recognize the fact that each tire has an individual grip level in races without tire wear/ tire temperature.
 
Go Kents do the MX5 enduro with T2's and then again in T6's in the same car and compare your best lap time.
My best laps with T2's are around 1:42.xxx. Using T6's my best lap times were 1.39.xxx.
To me it is pretty obvious that softer T6 gives better grip in all races including tyre wear than the harder T2's.
Even when Orange going to Red the T6's give better lap times than red T2's. 1:45.xxx as against 1:47.xxx
But of course the softer tyres wear out quicker.
 
Uncle Harry
Go Kents do the MX5 enduro with T2's and then again in T6's in the same car and compare your best lap time.
My best laps with T2's are around 1:42.xxx. Using T6's my best lap times were 1.39.xxx.
To me it is pretty obvious that softer T6 gives better grip in all races including tyre wear than the harder T2's.
Even when Orange going to Red the T6's give better lap times than red T2's. 1:45.xxx as against 1:47.xxx
But of course the softer tyres wear out quicker.
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:lol:
You think I'm gonna run the miata enduro 2 times around just to test this. :lol:

Until this sort of testing is done, I can't say much more than my opinion.
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That's about all I can say, and unless you manage to get in a truely scientific test, I would say that is about all you can say as well.

However, I will accept your opinion since this is a subject that just doesn't even come close to mattering to me.

If I get the chance to do some testing I will, but I doubt I will get that chance, so um, yeah...

Later. :D

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I must admit, there is a great chance that the ultimate grip level of each tire is different, so yeah :D
Super softs probably give a greater overall grip level.
But I really don't know :indiff:
 
Realist128
I'm currently using this car on the Amatuer Championships. But my tires wear out (the indicator is all red) at the last or second to last lap on most of the races. Any suggestions? I'm using super-softs. Should I change to a more durable tire, and would it have a lot or a little effect on cornering?
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Are in amateur those races with 5 laps??I always used the castrol supra,good speed,handling and you won't have to pit.
 
Go the tune shop and enter the Race tyre menu. The information on the Race tyre screen clearly states that the hard tyres have less grip than the soft tyres. It is shown graphically on the side of the menu and also the description that scrolls along the bottom of the screen also says it.
 
heero 12
Exactly, but dropping 3 seconds off lap time hardly makes up for all the extra 25 second pit stops.
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Heero,
I am trying to find a way to bring myself back to the AI on the MX5 enduro.
Using t6 tyres on a 1.8RS makes for a 50-60 second win instead of a 2 lap win.
I have done this race using all four MX5 models but find that the 1.6 MX5 on t2 still laps the field once.
 
You could always try driving like they do, I've never tried the enduro but I'm going to right now, I think I remember doing about 5 seconds of it when I gamesharked all the races though, wasn't much fun.
 
Tire choice is only half of it. Having a decent suspension set up can give you a couple of extra laps on a set of tires if it's done really well. On the other hand, having the springs harder and the ride height lower will probably increase your cornering ability but at the cost of tire wear. It's all about balance between tire hardness, suspension, vehicle weight, driving style, etc...

Wow that came out a lot more vague than I'd hoped. :dunce:
 
Well, for my driving style I acutally find it nice to raise the car as much as possible and set the springs to 4.0 each, lowering the shock absorbers as well. rocks like a monster truck and eats tires like something that is deathly afraid of tires, hard to get used to but nice in the "long run"
 

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