To Ferrari Enthusiasts

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E55Power
It doesn't work for me.
I also can't make a new thread. Or use the edit or quote features.
[I'm using Firefox]
When I switch to IE it works fine. I didn't feel like switching broswers and coming back, just to use the PM feature.
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Our PM system works fine with Firefox.
 
live4speed
The BEST looking Ferrari ever is the Testarossa and then the 355.
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I like the 355, but the Testarossa?! Ewww...

I'd have to say either the 330 GTC or 500 Superfast. 246 Dino (Coupe only, please) is pretty good as well.
 
If the service costs for a 360 or F430 may worry you, then don't even worry about it... go for a F355 or something that won't stretch your budget. If the service costs worry you, you don't have the money for it ;).

I don't see why Ferraris can't be used as daily drivers. My dad drives his every day. The 360's getting its 15k service some time very soon. The car gets driven everywhere, just like a car should. It may be sporty, but it's also very luxurious... almost too much! The seats (we have Daytonas) are the most comfortable car seats I've ever been in too. The leather is perfect. The driving is, of course, perfect! The steering is amazing and the brake feel is spot-on. I love the car.

Hey M5Power, you say your car depreciates less than a Ferrari? I think a Ferrari is the only car you can drive for 2 years, put 20,000 miles on it and then sell it for a 20 thousand dollar profit. How bout I let you meet Richard Losee, who has driven his Enzo more than 30 thousand miles with no service problems and even chopped the top off his doors to turn his car into a convertible (well, a t-top, but still). And I, just like anyone with sense ;), would take his car over yours! And I bet you'd quit your 'beat a 360 in a race' argument when the road hits a curve...any curve... because that's what Ferraris are for.

If the people who bought Ferraris wanted good fuel economy, more seats, and satnav, Ferrari wouldn't sell any cars. But they do. 17,000 360s included. You don't buy a Ferrari for the fuel economy, just like I wouldn't buy a Bentley for a track car! :rolleyes:
 
240Z
I like the 355, but the Testarossa?! Ewww...
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It might be an age thing, but the Testarossa is the definitive Ferrari styling wise when it came out. It defined what people would percieve Ferrari's as for years and ended up on a thousand kids bedroom walls. Personally I love it, but like I said, it might be an age thing, it was a well supported car when I was little. It also paved the way for the 355.
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Well, moreso, the TR paved the look for the 348 (which was just a less-wide TR, minus 4 cylinders), and then the 355 is very similar to the 348, just has new side vents.

I love the TR. It was such an icon. when you see it in reality, your opinion totally changes.
 
Actually, I believe the wheels were a no-charge option.
However, the front bumper is considerably different. That's definetly a 512TR -- the lights/grille are the give-away.
 
I had a 2,000 piece puzzle of a Testarossa.
 
McLaren F1GTR
You sure that's a Testarossa live?
Looks like a 512 model with those wheels.
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Yep thats a Testarossa. The 512 TR, IS a Testarosa re-badged and with more power anyway.
 
live4speed
Yep thats a Testarossa. The 512 TR, IS a Testarosa re-badged and with more power anyway.
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Would you then characterize the F430 as a 360 modena rebadged with more power anyway?


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live4speed
Yep thats a Testarossa. The 512 TR, IS a Testarosa re-badged and with more power anyway.
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The 512TR was designed to be a massive change --- It had about a 40hp gain, a completely new interior, and a new front end.
 
Also, the car lost about 300lbs.

///M- I see what you're going at, but the 430 has a totally new engine, not just a "spruced-up" 360 engine.
 
No the 512 TR WAS a Testarossa with a power increase and a new interior. It was the 512 M that came later that changed the front end and got rid of the popup lights and changed a few more things, it was still Testarossa underpinnings. And M-Spec the F430 and 360M are totally different models, the F430 isn't a modded 360M.
 
It's not a new front end, it's only a new part of the front end. I'm splitting hairs here ;) I know, I thought you were talking about a WHOLE different front so I presumed you meant the 512M. That said the Porsche 911 GT3 and 911 C4 have different front's and power outputs, that doesn't prevent one of them from being a 911. All the 512 TR is, is the nest update of the Testarossa but re-badged. It's a 512 sure, thats what Ferrari called it, but it's still a Testarossa engine, chassis, body albeit slightly different at the front, it's just an updated Testarossa.
 
The 996 911's had a different interior to the 993's, it's the same principle here. The only thing that stops the 512TR being a Testarossa is the badge, in all other ways it's a Testarossa thats been tweaked for the 90's much like the next 911 will be tweaked for the market as it is when it comes out. If Porsche made the next 911 but called it something else, it's essentially still a 911, it's just the badge thats stoppping that.
 
live4speed
No the 512 TR WAS a Testarossa with a power increase and a new interior. It was the 512 M that came later that changed the front end and got rid of the popup lights and changed a few more things, it was still Testarossa underpinnings. And M-Spec the F430 and 360M are totally different models, the F430 isn't a modded 360M.
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I'm just playing devil's advocate here. The F430 carries over very little from the 360, that is true. But it is still based on the same space frame. It is not a completely new or totally different model, but a major revision of an existing car.

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Indeed, the F430 is based on the 360, yet 70 percent of its parts are new.
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I just wanted to call attention to the fact that the 512TR was more than just a mild facelift and a power bump.

The 512TR had many (I'm talking more than 100) changes that differentiated it from the Testarossa. It had a F113D040 which had much higher compression than the old F113A/B and included Bosch Motronic; versus the old Marelli/K-Tronic. The transaxle was redesigned. There were numerous suspension and chassis changes, not the least of which was new front mount air coolers. It had new wheels and tires. If I remember right, more than half of the mechanicals were changed between the models.

The visual changes were not as dramatic as the 360 to F430 transformation, sure. But I think the 512TR deserves to be known as more than just a minor update.

live4speed
The 996 911's had a different interior to the 993's, it's the same principle here.
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Erm. The 996 represented the first all new 911 in something like 35 or 40 years. It is NO relation mechanically to the original 911, the 964 OR the 993. NOTHING was carried over.


EDIT: Here's a site that seems to remember some of the changes to the 512TR.

http://www.red-headed.com/articles/512tr_design.html

The engine (type F113D040 with Bosch Motronic 2.7) was completely new, just like 80% of all other mechanical parts. From the outside, the main difference with the Testarossa were: 18 inch wheels with a new design; the disappearance of the black stripe at the lower part of the side; a new front bumper like the 348 series; new engine hood, modified fins; new rear lights and finally a completely new interior. A very complete description of all (technical) changes can be found in the magazine Progetti #10.
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Your not seeing my point though, I'm not saying it's the same, I know it's not, but it's pretty much the 90's version of the Testarossa much like the 997 became the new 911. It was based on the Testarossa and it replaced the Testarossa and it looks like a Testarossa, not identical sure, but theres still plenty of Testarossa in it's looks and build. If Ferrari named it a Testarossa no one would have said it's not a Testarossa, it doesn't follow in the right footsteps ect. Thats all I'm saying. Sure theres plent of changes but there is in any model replacment.
 
live4speed
Your not seeing my point though, I'm not saying it's the same, I know it's not, but it's pretty much the 90's version of the Testarossa much like the 997 became the new 911. It was based on the Testarossa and it replaced the Testarossa and it looks like a Testarossa, not identical sure, but theres still plenty of Testarossa in it's looks and build. If Ferrari named it a Testarossa no one would have said it's not a Testarossa, it doesn't follow in the right footsteps ect. Thats all I'm saying. Sure theres plent of changes but there is in any model replacment.
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I thought your point was that the 512TR was the same exact car as the Testarossa, but with a new front bumper and a new badge on the rump?

But the F430 was a completely different car than the 360 modena?


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Well it might have started that way but you could at least let me cover up my being wrong :lol:. Tbh I didn't think it had as many changes at it did according to that link of yours.
 
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Probably because the caption says it's an early concept drawing. Which means the production wheel design hasn't been finalized yet (since wheels are usually outsourced).

Therefore the artist simply used a design that was new at the time.

I notice this everytime I see an artist's rendition of a new BMW... and it always wears "old" wheels.


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