Tomfoolery Forza 4, GT5 comparisons

[another_jakhole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Q6h_eGj-E





I'm going to hunt down whoever's responsible.

Are they really going to do this, again? I just had to post this. GTPlanet needs to make a comparison somehow. This one video is going to be seen as "proof". Those GT5 photo-taking skills are just despicable.

 

[MM1000]

Don't let it get you down, brother. They probably picked the bad photos on purpose.

If they had to do that, no argument will work. Console fanboys on the 360 side really hate GT5 for some reason.

Frankly, Forza is a quality product and will be great, and those who feel the need to lie to argue in its favor are being extremely silly. GT5 is really quite a good looking game.

If the actual Forza 4 gameplay I've seen is accurate, it barely looks better than Forza 3. It's a great looking game, just as GT4 is a great looking game, but no one will be under any illusions that it's basically a technological generation behind GT5. The physics could be good, though. I like Forza, but it seems extremely overhyped and always has, which I think is just Microsoft's style generally.

They have some very devout fanboys, though. Don't bother trying to beat them. They won't ever be convinced. Just fire up the PS3 and play GT5, instead.

BTW, I believe Forza 3 was not commercially successful. Certainly not in the ballpark of GT, which is simply in another category of commercial success, and will continue to be. I'll buy Forza, and if you have a 360 you should too if you like GT.

Of course, it's probably easier for GT to rack of many millions of sales when fans have to wait 492 years between releases, and Forza comes out with a new version every 43 minutes.

 

[another_jakhole]

Appreciate it. It's almost definite that they picked bad photos. The one with the trees and Jaguar UGH. And I think that was the standard Jaguar XFR '10 I THINK. Definitely not going to try and beat them, but there needs to be a counter comparison. Just how Forza fans made a false Ai comparison and then, a GT fan made the AI debunked comparison.

Forza is a good game, but this is just wrong, again.

 

[dmeech]

One thing about this comparison is that they are using renderings from the makers of Forza 4 that are marketing material to get everyone excited for F4. They then went and tried to recreate these shots in GT5.
Until actual gameplay footage is released any comparison is void.
I wont be surprised if F4 has better graphics, the game is newer and is still in development. However basing anything off promo shots is silly as I can bet if one were to look at pre-release GT5 teaser images they probably look more refined than the actual game.

 

[fifomaniak]

You'll probably kill me, but hey...

That's me who did the photos in GT5. I looked at Forza shots, didn't care if it was pre-rendered or enhanced and tried to replicate it in GT5.

Yeah, the tree in Jag picture is awful, there is no Premium XFR, Mt. Aso doesn't look as good as this Forza background, the lightning is different, and the LP640 engine badge... Well, that's not my fault, but probably it wasn't meant to be seen. And Enzo cockpit is just made better in Forza.

Maybe I was doing these photos too quick and not too well. But I didn't mean to make GT5 look worse.

Look, these were the photos chosen specially for Forza presentation. If we took some of the best GT5 photos from here and try to reproduce them in FM4, I bet they will also look worse. Somewhere GT5 is better graphically, somewhere Forza. That's my opinion

 

[Digitool]

comparing graphics of simulation racers is what is silly.

seriously, if you want to play a simulation for graphics your priorities are messed up.

i'm not saying they shouldn't look good, but seriously, gt5 is lacking in so many areas, but yes it looks good. That still doesn't quench my thirst for actual GT CONTENT!

It seems though, that forza may not be quite as photorealistic as gt5, but its content is above and beyond anything GT5 can salvage at this point, so far from what is being shown.

I have both a PS3 and an XBOX 360. I play both FM and GT. I am a fanboy of neither. I am a fanboy of racing simulation. If you asked me which one was more of an all around better racing game, I'm going to tell you FM3. (I can only assume that FM4 is going to build on that). PD needs to realize they dropped the ball with content on GT5.

They both have strengths and weaknesses. There's always people on both sides of the line comparing the two franchises, and the competition and "fanboyism" is healthy, to make each game push each other to new heights and increase the quality of game you bring home from the store and spend hours perched in front of our TVs playing.

I feel strongly let down by GT5, and I get the general vibe in this community that the overall opinion is mutual.

If you disagree and think GT5 is great for you, then that is good, you don't need to look forward to more.

Thats the way the cookie crumbles when you try to make products to please millions if not billions of individuals with their own personal preferences and styles.

Cheers.

 

[taz]

Fifomaniak you should have used rendered GT 5 shots or at least you should have tried to take better shots, because I seen better pics from people that used the GT 5 photo mode for the first time. Try harder next time

 

[wildaeros]

You'll probably kill me, but hey...

That's me who did the photos in GT5. I looked at Forza shots, didn't care if it was pre-rendered or enhanced and tried to replicate it in GT5.

Yeah, the tree in Jag picture is awful, there is no Premium XFR, Mt. Aso doesn't look as good as this Forza background, the lightning is different, and the LP640 engine badge... Well, that's not my fault, but probably it wasn't meant to be seen. And Enzo cockpit is just made better in Forza.

Maybe I was doing these photos too quick and not too well. But I didn't mean to make GT5 look worse.

Look, these were the photos chosen specially for Forza presentation. If we took some of the best GT5 photos from here and try to reproduce them in FM4, I bet they will also look worse. Somewhere GT5 is better graphically, somewhere Forza. That's my opinion

Nice try, Forza marketing rep.

 

[Daverytimes]

You'll probably kill me, but hey...

That's me who did the photos in GT5. I looked at Forza shots, didn't care if it was pre-rendered or enhanced and tried to replicate it in GT5.

Yeah, the tree in Jag picture is awful, there is no Premium XFR, Mt. Aso doesn't look as good as this Forza background, the lightning is different, and the LP640 engine badge... Well, that's not my fault, but probably it wasn't meant to be seen. And Enzo cockpit is just made better in Forza.

Maybe I was doing these photos too quick and not too well. But I didn't mean to make GT5 look worse.

Look, these were the photos chosen specially for Forza presentation. If we took some of the best GT5 photos from here and try to reproduce them in FM4, I bet they will also look worse. Somewhere GT5 is better graphically, somewhere Forza. That's my opinion

You tried, but it wasn't good enough, we have guys here you can give those Forza 4 photos to and ask them to recreate it in GT5. Easiest way is to start a thread and draw attention to the project.


DAVE

 

[MM1000]

Look, these were the photos chosen specially for Forza presentation. If we took some of the best GT5 photos from here and try to reproduce them in FM4, I bet they will also look worse. Somewhere GT5 is better graphically, somewhere Forza. That's my opinion

How can this opinion be reasonable, if you've never seen Forza, or taken pictures of the gameplay?

The developer taking a picture of their very best work, with all the tools they have access too, is not the same as you taking your amateur photo of the same cars. You compared in game play to promotional BS.

It's just radically unfair.

It certainly doesn't show that Forza is better graphically 'somewhere', if by somewhere you mean while you are driving cars in the game. Some of the Forza 4 photos are so radically better than the snips of in game play we've seen that anyone doing the bare minimum homework would not use that material for this sort of comparison.

By your standards, a ferrari photo calendar from 1976 is more technologically advanced than GT5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1dezQY0Q3M

Here's what Forza 4 looks like. The physics seem, as usual, a lot less free. I am sure, like the other Forza games, that this game is less realistic, and much easier. The graphics are pretty good. They are better than Gran Turismo 4. There are cars in this video that are also in GT5, and there is a substantial difference in quality.

I'd say the race footage looks a little worse than GT5's better standard cars. Watch the video. The environment is pretty, the cars are on rails, and the physics seem pretty bad when the cars hit eachother or the wall. And the cars look like GT5 standard cars. Which isn't really that bad.

It still looks immersive and plenty good. I get it... you're hyping an upcoming game for attention. Perhaps there's some way this makes money? Best of luck, but you're setting up Forza 4 fans for disappointment.

It's shaping up to simply not be what you're presenting.

 

[fifomaniak]

Nice try, Forza marketing rep.

Yeah, they pay me for this No, just joking.

Well, this comparison isn't exactly fair, because the environments are different (apart from TGTT). And you can't normally photograph interiors and engines. So

I think I'll make another try, now concentrating more on cars and lightning than environments. We can compare environments, when we'll have the photos from real, not original Forza tracks.

Here's what Forza 4 looks like. The physics seem, as usual, a lot less free. I am sure, like the other Forza games, that this game is less realistic, and much easier. The graphics are pretty good. They are better than Gran Turismo 4. There are cars in this video that are also in GT5, and there is a substantial difference in quality.

I'd say the race footage looks a little worse than GT5's better standard cars. Watch the video. The environment is pretty, the cars are on rails, and the physics seem pretty bad when the cars hit eachother or the wall. And the cars look like GT5 standard cars. Which isn't really that bad.

It still looks immersive and plenty good. I get it... you're hyping an upcoming game for attention. Perhaps there's some way this makes money? Best of luck, but you're setting up Forza 4 fans for disappointment.

It's shaping up to simply not be what you're presenting.

I've written in movie commentaries, that I'm sure that in-game won't look like the photos. I know that. As for the gameplay, it's off-screen and blurred, so I'm not sure how good it looks, but definitely not like the photos.

We don't get money from MS for hyping the game. We get money for video views. And you can't deny that Forza vs. GT subject was always a hot subject for both fanboys. For example: http://youtu.be/Wo4mJCJ0Q3k - video is 9 months old and they're still arguing in comment section.

 

[skylinefx]

I looked at Forza shots, didn't care if it was pre-rendered or enhanced

So is that a fair comparison? It is obvious that Forza's photos are pre-rendered. It looks nothing like that in-game.

EDIT: Here, an image taken using the photomode function in FM3. It looks nothing like the pictures you've got.

And no, I have nothing against FM3.

 

[MM1000]

And you can't deny that Forza vs. GT subject was always a hot subject for both fanboys

Which is why you posted flamebait for more ad impressions. It's a dishonest argument, but you want controversy.

You have a video comparing GT5's cockpit to real life, and the GT5 somehow looks more real. Then you cherry pick promo photos and compare them to blurry pics. Both times, you cherry pick to make the comparison as close as possible. Once, you benefit GT5, another time, you radically go the other way.

You're clearly not a console fanboy. You're just interested in maxing out the interest, no matter how that happens. What's next? Compare Gt4 to a real race, calling it GT5 vs Forza 4? Just a difference in degree.

Anyway, the real problem is that Forza 4 is a quality game, as far as I can see, and your audience is going to be disappointed because they are set up to believe something that is inaccurate. This isn't really your fault. Microsoft is setting up the discussions this way because Forza 3 was a commercial failure, and they need to maximize the day 1 sales.

It depends on what your intention is. Clearly, it's not to inform people.

 

[Digitool]

They should make racing games built solely on graphics

I can't believe people argue over this still.... its the same thing every day of every year.

Play whatever you want. I'll play both. GT5 has some MAJOR flaws but I still play it, Forza may not have as nice graphics.

Big effing whoop guys.

Entertaining to watch you guys argue each other blue in the face though. 👍

 

[fifomaniak]

So is that a fair comparison? It is obvious that Forza's photos are pre-rendered. It looks nothing like that in-game.

EDIT: Here, an image taken using the photomode function in FM3. It looks nothing like the pictures you've got.

And no, I have nothing against FM3.

Hey, you have FM3, one question to you. What options are in Forza photomode? I mean like contrast, vignette and so on. Because in GT5 we don't have any besides filters, so I think it's fair to enhance them a little bit in Photoshop with some options if they are built in Forza.

 

[MM1000]

GT5 has some MAJOR flaws but I still play it, Forza may not have as nice graphics.

Big effing whoop guys. 👍

I agree completely.

Forza 4 looks really good, to me. Though I think GT4 looks really good, even on a modern TV. I have a playstation 2 in my guest room, and I play the game in some sort of really high resolution, and it's certainly a bit dated, but I think the graphics have far exceeded what you need to enjoy a game. I think GT1 and GT2 were not there yet, but GT3 and up, and all the Forza games, are very pretty, and they are improving quickly.

GT5 is so good that there are times it really looks at least as good as real life. It's almost too good, as real life doesn't show that level of sharpness and detail from the cockpit cam of a race car.

There's a side by side comparison of GT5 and a real race (by this same guy making this unfair comparison) and it's quite something to watch, albeit it's badly cherry picked in GT5's favor.

Anyway, both games are great. But this comparison will set Forza fans up for a lot of disappointment. They are going to get a game that is very pretty, but is a lot closer to Forza 3 than GT5. That's just the truth.

 

[el_posto]

well, if those forza images are real, and the game end up like that, I might just consider buying an XBOX...
the thing is, the physics, are they as good in forza as they're in gt?

 

[MM1000]

well, if those forza images are real, and the game end up like that, I might just consider buying an XBOX...
the thing is, the physics, are they as good in forza as they're in gt?

Check out my video in comment 10.

I think it may be unfair to judge the game on that, but the physics make the cars appear to have much more grip than my gut would think is right. The cars seem practically on rails, even as they hit eachother.

But like GT5, there are aids you can turn off for a more realistic experience. I like Forza, but I have gotten the impression from the first three that they are little bit easier, even with an attempt to find challenging settings.

My video also gives a pretty good impression of the graphics. Look at that Gallardo with the wing. You get a very good look at it when it hits the wall.

I first saw this after driving the Lambo challenge in GT5 on the Tuscan track, which is GT5 at her best, and the Gallardos in Forza 4 seem at, or even below, the level of the Countachs in GT5. I realize this comes across as rampant fanboyism, but compare them yourself.

I also think the Forza landscape is really pretty. The cars look good. I think if the menus and online functionality is what I expect, Forza 4 will be excellent.

But for the pissing match of graphics and realism? It's probably not the winner. It certainly is damn good competition anyway, which GT5 fanboys should be happy with, since PD needs a kick in the rear.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'm nipping this in the bud now - on account of the amount of times "fanboy" has already cropped up, this will end poorly, just like every single thread that starts with this tone.

We're not sure why there's always the insistent "one or the other" mentality, but there's a Forza sub-forum for discussions on it, and obviously, this GT sub-forum for talks about it.