Too much HP

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Man, I'm reading the specs off most alotta n00bs cars they drift and all I gotta say is that D1 drivers don't even pump out that much HP. Trueno's on this board reach 300 plus HP whereas D1 Trueno drivers do 200 HPish tops! I know I'm gonna get flamed because people are are gonna say, "well, if I had the ability to actually produce that much HP in real life, then I would, but since I can't, I'm gonna at least try it in a game". Well if you are gonna go as far as to recreate simulated drifting, you might as well "try" tuning your car to real life specs so you can somewhat compare your simulated ability to D1 pro drivers abilities. BTW, my 240SX pumps out 280HP (soon to upgrade it to 350HP), Trueno 212HP (which can drift the big turns on Speedway), RX-7 Spirit R 287HP(I over tuned the suspension and now it's crap, must retune), Altezza RS200 350HP(first car I've ever tried fine-tuning to drift specs [you really don't need too play with camber to make your car drift, I just kept the camber bone stock, in fact, you won't get as much wheelspin and incontrollabilty if you just play with your damper/springs/stabilizers and not your camber], and MR2 GT-S 450HP (a little much for a rear engine rear wheel drive train)
 
I can see your point. But when starting out, like me, it's just easier to get the oversteer going with more HP. I mean come on. You're just figuring out how to initiate a drift with weight shift instead of e brake and you want that person to go to a lower HP car? That would really slow the learning process for me.

Personally, I'm still searching for a car that fits my style of driving. Right now I'm trying the Spoon S2000. I think it may work. As I said, I'm still learning. I don't want to use the e-brake. Inertia drifting is much better. Hopefully this will work for me.

BTW, I believe that hte MR2 is MR not RR. NOt a big deal, until you start talking weight transfer.
 
I agree, its much easier to drift the high HP cars for the noobies like me. Once you get the technique down with a lot of hp, then its time to detune it slowly without loosing quality of drifts.
 
I would have to say that 340hp is pretty substancial Battle Stage, wouldn't you?
 
well, when i started out i use like 1000-1015hp nissan skyline r34 just for power over and now im using a 345 r34 and r33, just playing around stock cars is alot of fun
 
I drift a 350 hp FD, 350 hp FC, and a 250 hp 86 all on sports. I don't think you can have too much hp its all preference.
 
I like high power with sims (400hp), because I like doing long drifts and linking corners. But I also have some cars with low power, and I enjoy them very much.

s0nny80y if you like low hp, it's your choice. But don't tell us we're all noobs.:irked:
 
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3 Major factors:

*Car Layout
*Drifting Style
*Drift Speed

These three simple variables can vary so much that there is no 'perfect' horsepower. What is perfect is what works best with your setup, speed and style:D
 
You aslo have to take into consideration PWR ratio. and TWR Ratio.
Too much power on a light weight car can't be so good.
 
Originally posted by Victor Vance
3 Major factors:

*Car Layout
*Drifting Style
*Drift Speed

These three simple variables can vary so much that there is no 'perfect' horsepower. What is perfect is what works best with your setup, speed and style:D
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Good call, but as Ryan stated, I would also include the weight in that formula (I guess that could fall under Car Layout)......




;)
 
I don't know, I think it is better to learn with a lower hp car as to get your techneque fine tuned before moving up to a higher horsepower car. IMHO you can cheat too much with all that power and you forget to learn the basics of weight transfer. I too started with high horsepower s15 with about 500 hp but I didn't really become good* at drifting untill I started using stock cars with sims.

*I am not good, but I am better than I was
 
I started drifting with a 275 hp trueno... now i moved onto 700hp rx-7 and barebone stock silvias... in my opinion, they way i drift is pretty much the same but the acceleration is very different... its just everyones preference of what hp output they are using... IM FREEEZZINGG
 
I mean, if you're comparing GT drift cars with D1, you can call me soft or whatever, but I would just plain prefer to watch a strong s15 (with good driver of course) to a hachi. Don't get me wrong, I like hachi rokus alot and they're fun to drift with but they don't have the same kind of bling that alot of the other d1 models do, in terms of speed and tire smoke. The fact that the top hachi drivers compete in the car speaks more to their talent and knowledge of their car. And, I think his name is Tanaka in the yellow 86, last I checked he was pumping 250 horses. Oh, and there is only one car (that I know of) that has more horses than the FD that took the championship last year. Lots of power isn't always bad. Like nk4e said, it's cool to show your skill with the challenge of less power, but it's just not as hot from a spectator standpoint.
Instead of looking at horsepower, I look for great response and torque in a drift car. I like power, but once you get that 3rd or 4th turbo kit the power is really peaky, which can be a ***** to maintain a smooth drift with.
 
Originally posted by drifterboy77
Ahhhh........nk4e what do you mean by its the challenge?
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its a challenge to know ur tourqe band and what speed ur at,..... nvm its hard to explain for me
 

I'm gonna add in my two cents here. I haven't seen many specs for D1 Gran Prix cars but the APEX`I FD3S has some 360-HP. It might be a little less but it might be a little more. It was definitely atleast 340 but no higher than 380. I've heard of an R34 Skyline GTR owned by an "illegal" street drifter in Japan that had 800-horsepower. The dude who wrote about it said it was the scariest but coolest thing he's ever experienced and he said afterwards, "I know now that I have just ruined every other experience I will ever have in a car."

And the Signal Auto Drift S15 has 700-horsepower. So while many of the cars might very well come in under 280 or so horsepower, not all of them are like that, some people use big power cars in real life for drifting as well. So far, my cars in GT3 are averaging at 300-320 at the maximum but I raised it to 350 horsepower.
 
The Apexi FD has around 500hp(I saw those stats in a options video from a few recent D1 Comps, But I need to check the D1GP site when they re put back up the car information)
Aslo if you didn't know there are two Apexi fd's, One was built here in the Usa by Apexi USA, I saw some nice pictures of the buildup.
 
How about we agree to disagree.... 50% say More Power and after getting it they switching to lower power and the other 50% say that its better to stick with lower hp.... so i think that they are both good depending on the drifter.and i think... Your gt3 cars dont have to be like the d1 cars... its your car i think u should make it your dream car....but on the other hand drift with stock has more weight shifting then just slaming the gas...

P.S. if i dont make sence just forget about it..... :lol:
 

Magazine posted the 340-380 HP stats for the american APEX FD'. The magazine said that it was an exact twin of the Japanese one but maybe they meant in appearance and not exact power. But they made it sound like the two cars were evenly matched. Who knows though, I'd find the article and check it out but I'm too lazy to find it and if you saw my room, you might understand why I don't wanna look.

And to the whole power issue in general. Agreeing to disagree is often the wiset thing to do in any debate, however, ToyotaDrifter has a point. Our GT3 cars don't need to be like the D1 GP cars but I know that in GT1, I tried to match all my "Initial D" cars down to the exact horsepower number of the ones in the anime. So it's all for fun anyway, and no way is the wrong way unless it doesn't work, right? As long as it works for you, it's the right way even if it's the right way for you and you alone.

But you can always mess around and try new and different things like making a car that is the same as the D1 GP car to see if you can do it. I managed to succeed in races with all of my Initial D cars even with the competition was more powerful than me by quite a bit. Somehow though, I never quite managed to control the Yellow FD3S A-Spec with 350-HP that was my Keisuke FD. It was just so unacceptably skiddish to me, the Type-RZ was a lot better.
 
there can never be too much HP...

if you WANT TO GO FAST, get more HP...
if you DON'T want to go fast, keep HP low

iT's tHaT F$#@!%G SiMPLe!

you guys are making it more complicated than it should be

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Originally posted by SR20DET
there can never be too much HP...

if you WANT TO GO FAST, get more HP...
if you DON'T want to go fast, keep HP low

iT's tHaT F$#@!%G SiMPLe!

you guys are making it more complicated than it should be

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