Top Secret Porsche engine stolen

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This engine is the next generation Porsche engine, for use in both racing and road-cars.

One of the new features on this Porsche-engine, is that it's double-pistoned. That means, that a 6-cylinder engine has 12 pistons.

There are several people involved in this crime, among them Porsche AG employees and top-brass persons from the (untill this came up..) high-rated Porsche tuner, Techart.

6-8 persons are arrested ATM.

Techart is not mentioned by name in the articles, but that's the company in question.

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English version of the article:

http://translate.google.com/transla...//www.swr.de/nachrichten/bw/-/id%3D1622/nid%3

Holy Cow, I have to learn that "click here" thing when I saw that link...


and the orginal article in German:

http://www.swr.de/nachrichten/bw/-/id=1622/nid=1622/did=2198898/nz7gpz/index.html
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Wow, imagine if this engine got into the hands of some other automakers. The real question would be if they would do the right thing and not examine it and return it to Porsche--or secretly disect it and use a modified part its technology.
 
Jesus, when these things happen all hell breaks loose......:scared: :crazy: *see's all the other manufacturers go off to make engines with double the amount of pistons!*
 
Double piston? Sounds interesting.

And i never really liked Tech Art to begin with. They make ugly cars :crazy:
 
rotary_freq
Let's think for a second team, how would a 2 piston cylinder work?!
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I'm thinking the pistons would meet in the cylinder in order to go through each stroke faster. It might make a 4-stroke as fast or faster than a 2-stroke.
 
I can see why Porsche would be angry, but does it really hurt them that much? I mean, the technology would be going into their cars, where it would be anyway. And, won't the engine be available for all to see when it begins to be sold on the market?

The right thing would be for TechArt to return the stuff and forget it all happened, but who is to say they wouldn't take some notes? I'm sure this engine will no longer be entirely a secret.
 
philly cheese
I can see why Porsche would be angry, but does it really hurt them that much? I mean, the technology would be going into their cars, where it would be anyway. And, won't the engine be available for all to see when it begins to be sold on the market?

The right thing would be for TechArt to return the stuff and forget it all happened, but who is to say they wouldn't take some notes? I'm sure this engine will no longer be entirely a secret.
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Well, if they are still developing it they may not have gotten a patent for it. Perhaps they needed to build the engine and make sure it worked before doing the legal stuff. Who knows.
 
Omnis
Well, if they are still developing it they may not have gotten a patent for it. Perhaps they needed to build the engine and make sure it worked before doing the legal stuff. Who knows.
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Is teh legal stuff really that important? Can't somebody look at this engine, recreate it and call it something else after they get their hands on it, even aftre the patent? I've heard Coca Cola doesn't patent their recipie because somebody could base a recipie off of CC's and make it "better" and sell it under a new name.
 
No seriously patents really do matter car companies patent everything down to door handles so a whole revolutionary engine would definately patented, if this have been leaked before that had happened then it is really bad new for Porsche, I don't even know how much they can sue for damages.

Yeah technology can be copied but it will either not be exactly the same or it will done under license.

As and example, the humble cats eye on the road, thats patented and its used all around the world, they all have to pay one family, and they are RICH! :crazy:, so if a gloried marble can be patented this engine should be!

Robin
 
philly cheese
Is teh legal stuff really that important? Can't somebody look at this engine, recreate it and call it something else after they get their hands on it, even aftre the patent? I've heard Coca Cola doesn't patent their recipie because somebody could base a recipie off of CC's and make it "better" and sell it under a new name.
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Like Robin said, they would have to pay royalties or obtain a license if people used porsche's engine.
 
rotary_freq
Let's think for a second team, how would a 2 piston cylinder work?!
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Perhaps, like Omnis said, the two short pistons share a chamber, one facing up, the other down, meeting in the middle at the crown to share the same air/fuel/spark mixture for reasons of fuel ecconomy? - Mind you, this would probably mean two cranks?
 
Omnis
I'm thinking the pistons would meet in the cylinder in order to go through each stroke faster. It might make a 4-stroke as fast or faster than a 2-stroke.
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But with the same efficiency of a 4 stroke?

That's why they stopped 2-strokes isn't it, the lack of efficiency?
 
TheCracker
Perhaps, like Omnis said, the two short pistons share a chamber, one facing up, the other down, meeting in the middle at the crown to share the same air/fuel/spark mixture for reasons of fuel ecconomy? - Mind you, this would probably mean two cranks?
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Maybe one crank will go to the front wheels and the other to the rears. That, or they could be hooked up to some kind of master crank. Like I said before, who knows.

Sureshot
But with the same efficiency of a 4 stroke?

That's why they stopped 2-strokes isn't it, the lack of efficiency?
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I thought it was because of pollution. I don't know why it was discontinued, but the point I was making is that a 4-stroke with 2 pistons traveling half the distance of the cylinder will go through each stroke faster than a 4-stroke with one piston traveling through the entire length of the cylinder. I never said this new double-piston engine was a 2-stroke or anything.

This could be a huge thing, though. With a double-piston engine, we might be able to see engines that would normally reach 10x RPM be able to reach the 20x RPM area.
 
Tech discussion aside - How the hell do you just walk out with an engine ?... I mean, the flat 6 isn't exactly the smallest or lightest engine in existence...

I know what a 900cc ZX9 engine weighs - And those are not funny to haul around on your own, less your Arnold...
 
TheCracker
Perhaps, like Omnis said, the two short pistons share a chamber, one facing up, the other down, meeting in the middle at the crown to share the same air/fuel/spark mixture for reasons of fuel ecconomy? - Mind you, this would probably mean two cranks?
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Well, the more complex aspect its a boxer 6 (if Porsche is sticking to the classic design), which would mean a center crank, like normal, along with two other cranks where the valve train would normally be. Problem is getting fuel and spark in there now, as you would have to have valves and sparkplugs placed along the side of the cylinder walls, which would mean fitting them to a curved surface and such.

Benefits from this design? Probably not higher compression, but there would be less stress on the conrods and such, as you would effectively make the stroke half of what it normally would be. And since stroke is a large factor in ultimate maximum RPM you can spin an engine at, Omnis has a point in saying this thing could spin twice as fact. Though in reality, it would be even higher with the same materials due to - Energy = Mass * Velocity Squared... cutting the maximum velocity in half effectively reduces the energy to 1/4th what is was... alot less stress.

EDIT: Can someone actually translate the article from the German... Google is making my brain hurt and I'm very curious about this engine.

And on the patent thing... this engine would have allready had patents waiting, as most engineers apply for patents during the design process. Furthermore, each component would have seperate patents, such as springs for the valves, cam gears, etc. Then they also patent the whole major design as well... and I doubt Porsche would be lazy on that
 
Azuremen
EDIT: Can someone actually translate the article from the German... Google is making my brain hurt and I'm very curious about this engine.
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Engines of Porsche stolen the public prosecutor's office determined against eight suspects, which from engines and transmission parts with Stuttgart sportscar manufacturer is to have stolen and with it act the Porsche. Four suspects sit in remand. 6-Zylinder double-piston engine this confirmed a spokeswoman of the determination authority. In the focus be located also an autoworkshop from the district Boeblingen, which is to have purchased, divide and into vehicles build the high-quality technology. "we placed, said Strafanzeige against the management of the company because of theft and acceptation of stolen goods" a Porsche speaker. With a raid in the workshop the engine components were guaranteed. According to data of the Porsche speaker three engines from the development center of the sports car sportwagenschmiede had been stolen in white oh (circle Boeblingen). Two leasing forces of Porsche are to have been responsible for it. With the engines it concerned around two conventional, in addition, a "engine of the future". "we have however the back-gotten, which we wanted, stressed" the speaker. It called the enterprise concerned a competitor of Porsche within the Tuning range. The workshop understands itself as noble about vehicles and in Porsche specialized.
 
TheCracker... I was saying the google translation was making my brain hurt... and thats what you posted :confused:
 
Mine's actually the Babel Fish translation ;) - don't you read gibberish?
 
TheCracker
Mine's actually the Babel Fish translation ;) - don't you read gibberish?
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Oh.. its so CLEAR now. Praise Babel Fish translation, so better than Google....

No, wait, WHAT... they are the exact same. OH TEH NOES!! Babel fish, thou hast failed me for that last time.
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Omnis
I thought it was because of pollution. I don't know why it was discontinued, but the point I was making is that a 4-stroke with 2 pistons traveling half the distance of the cylinder will go through each stroke faster than a 4-stroke with one piston traveling through the entire length of the cylinder. I never said this new double-piston engine was a 2-stroke or anything.

This could be a huge thing, though. With a double-piston engine, we might be able to see engines that would normally reach 10x RPM be able to reach the 20x RPM area.
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Aye, the pollution bit is what I meant by 'lack of efficiency'.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/two-stroke6.htm

I think that explains the lack of two strokes in cars. You get them in garden equipment, etc.

It could indeed be huge, certainly made my Dad give an odd look when I told him about it :crazy:
 
So it's the same, or different to this?

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Casio's post is awesome.

Was thinking about it in my head for a good way.

That sums it up, why think of how to fit a normal camshaft over where the pistons meet, when you can have one shaft for the intake side, one for exhaust.

Porsche has a history of taking weird "that shouldn't work well" ideas and making them work well... wonder what it would sound like.
 
Well, perhaps a little like this....



That's a diesel with the same engine layout...If you could speed that up...
 

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