Toyota TS050 vs Porsche 919 Hybrid vs Audi R18 - Which one should i go for?

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Hello guys 👋

So I'm going to participate in an endurance race at the La Sarthe circuit in GR.1 category but i can only choose 1 of those 3 Lmp1 cars... which one than should i go for?
I'm sure they all perform differently but i guess for that particularly circuit one of them should perform better all-around?!

Thank you in advance 👍

 

[Pizzapants]

The TS050 is practically cheating, very overpowered. That’s the one you should get.

 

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The TS050 is practically cheating, very overpowered. That’s the one you should get.

Even with BOP settings enable? I forgot to mention that the race is going to have BOP on and no tuning allowed.

 

[alx42]

I think the main thing here is this - With BOP turned on, does it affect the harvesting and discharge of the hybrid powertrain? If not, then get the 919HY. This car can harvest energy under braking and while accelerating in 7th gear. The 919HY is better than the TS050 due to this alone, so you'll have more energy to deploy over the entire lap and more often.

The TS050 is a great car too, yet it can only harvest energy under braking. More-so than the R18. The R18 deploys a lot of energy, yet it doesn't harvest as well as the 919HY nor the TS050.

 

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I think the main thing here is this - With BOP turned on, does it affect the harvesting and discharge of the hybrid powertrain? If not, then get the 919HY. This car can harvest energy under braking and while accelerating in 7th gear. The 919HY is better than the TS050 due to this alone, so you'll have more energy to deploy over the entire lap and more often.

The TS050 is a great car too, yet it can only harvest energy under braking. More-so than the R18. The R18 deploys a lot of energy, yet it doesn't harvest as well as the

I think the main thing here is this - With BOP turned on, does it affect the harvesting and discharge of the hybrid powertrain? If not, then get the 919HY. This car can harvest energy under braking and while accelerating in 7th gear. The 919HY is better than the TS050 due to this alone, so you'll have more energy to deploy over the entire lap and more often.

The TS050 is a great car too, yet it can only harvest energy under braking. More-so than the R18. The R18 deploys a lot of energy, yet it doesn't harvest as well as the 919HY nor the TS050.

I really never looked at them from that point of view because i was just focused on their shear 'classic' performance and that is a good valid point for me to make my decision 👍
Thanks so much for your insight regarding hybrid cars, i completely overlooked the electric motor on thoose cars (It shows how little often i drive hybrid/electric cars 😅).
I definitely have to check if with the BOP on the electric motor generates power or not (my guess would be NOT because as you know BOP restrains you of any other 'classic' forms of getting power and performance.

 

[pedrocor]

Even with BOP settings enable? I forgot to mention that the race is going to have BOP on and no tuning allowed.

The TS050, being a LM Hypercar, has always the same maximum power output, no matter all internal combustion engine (ICE), or a mix os ICE and hybrid system, so, when batteries run out, the power deficit is compensated by ICE (with more fuel consumption), while the Porsche 919 only has the max power output with the hybrid on, so has lot less power when the batteries run out, so even with BoP, which seems to consider the power with hybrid system will be favorable to the TS050.
With no tuning allowed maybe the TS050 will by on the understeery zone tough.

 

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The TS050, being a LM Hypercar, has always the same maximum power output, no matter all internal combustion engine (ICE), or a mix os ICE and hybrid system, so, when batteries run out, the power deficit is compensated by ICE (with more fuel consumption), while the Porsche 919 only has the max power output with the hybrid on, so has lot less power when the batteries run out, so even with BoP, which seems to consider the power with hybrid system will be favorable to the TS050.
With no tuning allowed maybe the TS050 will by on the understeery zone tough.

Thank you for your insight regarding the cars as well mate 👍. I will definitely take what you have said in consideration when testing the 3 cars. (I only test drive the Toyota and it felt really good but at some speeds and in some turns mainly when coasting it handled as you've said, understeery). But yeah i have to give the other cars a shot too tough 👍

 

[jonoholland29]

With BoP i'd have the Audi.

 

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With BoP i'd have the Audi. View attachment 1182882

Hey mate 👍
Why you would choose the Audi?

 

[jonoholland29]

For me it was the last hurrah of the Audi era so holds a special place in my heart. Out of those choice I'd say the Toyota is better - probably overall. Why only those 3? Are you doing some kind of legendary 2016 race?

I made a Ferrari for that era

 

[st3vao]

The Audi can't keep the battery charge for even an entire lap without very good management, which becomes an annoyance quite quickly, and it has the highest top speed from all of the three. But when you run out of electric power the car becomes a lot slower than the Toyota or the Porsche when you accelerate exiting the corners.

The Toyota has top speed higher than the Porsche but lower than the Audi, you don't need to focus all of your effort in managing the battery power with the TS050 as you do with the Audi, but if you are careless you end up running out of electric power every now and then.

The Porsche takes corners like it is glued to the track, has the lowest top speed of the trio, but it has infinite electric power because it can recharge the batteries while braking and after you reach 250kmh the system start to recharge the batteries using the MGU-H just like a Formula 1 does. And the Porsche can take the last part of the track flat out without any issues.

I'd pick the Porsche as it is the saftest choice. You will lose on the straights, but in the second part of the track after Indianapolis Curve you will gain so much time that it negates what you lose on the Mulsane straight

 

[jonoholland29]

The Audi can't keep the battery charge for even an entire lap without very good management, which becomes an annoyance quite quickly, and it has the highest top speed from all of the three. But when you run out of electric power the car becomes a lot slower than the Toyota or the Porsche when you accelerate exiting the corners.

The Toyota has top speed higher than the Porsche but lower than the Audi, you don't need to focus all of your effort in managing the battery power with the TS050 as you do with the Audi, but if you are careless you end up running out of electric power every now and then.

The Porsche takes corners like it is glued to the track, has the lowest top speed of the trio, but it has infinite electric power because it can recharge the batteries while braking and after you reach 250kmh the system start to recharge the batteries using the MGU-H just like a Formula 1 does. And the Porsche can take the last part of the track flat out without any issues.

I'd pick the Porsche as it is the saftest choice. You will lose on the straights, but in the second part of the track after Indianapolis Curve you will gain so much time that it negates what you lose on the Mulsane straight

I can take the R18 flat from Arrange until the Ford chicane but agree with all of this

 

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For me it was the last hurrah of the Audi era so holds a special place in my heart. Out of those choice I'd say the Toyota is better - probably overall. Why only those 3? Are you doing some kind of legendary 2016 race?

I made a Ferrari for that eraView attachment 1182898

I'm doing in a few days an endurance race (30 laps) at La Sarthe in GR.1 and the participants can only choose thoose 3 cars

 

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The Audi can't keep the battery charge for even an entire lap without very good management, which becomes an annoyance quite quickly, and it has the highest top speed from all of the three. But when you run out of electric power the car becomes a lot slower than the Toyota or the Porsche when you accelerate exiting the corners.

The Toyota has top speed higher than the Porsche but lower than the Audi, you don't need to focus all of your effort in managing the battery power with the TS050 as you do with the Audi, but if you are careless you end up running out of electric power every now and then.

The Porsche takes corners like it is glued to the track, has the lowest top speed of the trio, but it has infinite electric power because it can recharge the batteries while braking and after you reach 250kmh the system start to recharge the batteries using the MGU-H just like a Formula 1 does. And the Porsche can take the last part of the track flat out without any issues.

I'd pick the Porsche as it is the saftest choice. You will lose on the straights, but in the second part of the track after Indianapolis Curve you will gain so much time that it negates what you lose on the Mulsane straight

Thank you bro for your insight regarding the technicality that i lack regarding the cars 👍
I'm actually using the Porsche and I'm enjoying it very much. It's slower in the straights indeed but that thing can turn almost like a tomahawk 💪 and i can use the electric motor almost all the time when exiting the turns. It's an excellent vehicle indeed. I'll probably going to use it 🙂

 

[Grimm6Jack]

The R18 is definitely the worst of the 3. It has neither of the strengths of the TS050 or the 919, it discharges the power faster than either of them and also takes more time to charge as well. It's faster on the straights but this is only going to be noticeable or very long straights like the ones in Le Mans.
The reason for this is because the engine (no electric power) of the Audi has slightly more horsepower than the other two (and probably a bit less drag as well).

The 919 is IMO the best because while it charges less under braking than the Toyota, it can charge itself at full throttle after 250kph. So you don't have to micro manage whatsoever with it. The Toyota in shorter tracks than Le Mans, requires much less energy management (if at all really), but the Audi is just too much of a hassle.

Another benefit of the 919 is that among the 3, it's the only one that can get tuned with a Turbo while the other two can't. This turbo gives the 919 another 100 horsepower to make it 600 without the electric power and, pretty much destroy the other two. I really don't understand why all 3 can't be treated the same when they are literally equal rivals.

In terms of cornering ability, they all looked pretty much in the same tier (as expected) but the Toyota seems to be the easiest to handle in the more technical medium speed corners.

There is however one drawback to all of the 919's advantages ... The price. While the R18 and the TS050 cost 1 million each, the 919 is 3 million. But I would still buy the Porsche if I really had to get either of them, purely because of those two massive advantages (energy recovery system and the added Turbo tune).