Traction and Tsukuba wet

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I've been lurking around here for a while, and I finally decided to give a shot at starting a thread...

I know there's been a lot of talk about realism and tires in GT4, but I'm not looking to start a discussion that's already been beaten to death.

I was practicing on Tsukuba Wet in a EVO MR (what's MR mean anyway?), and I got to thinking how tire tread patterns affect wet traction. I'm not an expert on it, but from what I've seen, wet traction is usually a high point with normal road tires (N1->N3), while it isn't so important with sports and racing tires, for obvious reasons. So I did a few laps in the EVO with racing exhaust and S2 tires, and managed a time around 1.12. Then I gave it a shot with N3's, and managed to get ~1.11.007 .

So this brings up my question; are tread patterns going to make a difference in wet conditions, or am I just pissing into the wind?
 
I noticed a bit of a difference between RS and S2's back when I was doing the races for the first time. I lost the first time I raced with my RX7, went n bought better tires, and noticed I slide more and had worse acceleration. Went back to the S2's, and ran another lap and won.
I was actually glad PD put that into the game, nice little touch. 👍
 
you're definitely pissing in the wind if you did those laps in A-spec.

keep experimenting. if i'm not mistaken, gt4's wet system works like gt3's. in that, every tire has a wet issue and a dry issue tire.
 
Omnis
you're definitely pissing in the wind if you did those laps in A-spec.

keep experimenting. if i'm not mistaken, gt4's wet system works like gt3's. in that, every tire has a wet issue and a dry issue tire.
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Oddly enough, there is no B-spec option for Tsukuba Wet....

Anyway, I don't think it's going to be easy to determine if there actually are faster times, and if there are faster times, that they are due solely to the fact that road tires are commonly given better wet-handling characteristics.
 
truzoom
Oddly enough, there is no B-spec option for Tsukuba Wet....

Anyway, I don't think it's going to be easy to determine if there actually are faster times, and if there are faster times, that they are due solely to the fact that road tires are commonly given better wet-handling characteristics.
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Wow,

You've made an awesome point here... When I did this race I used Racing Super Soft tyres... which would've had no tread whatsoever... and I had good traction...

But as you say I should've had better traction if I used the N tyres as they would have tread and water extricating properties.

This might be worth checking out (and not instantly dismissing).

C.
 
keep in mind that
[[[You've made an awesome point here... When I did this race I used Racing Super Soft tyres... which would've had no tread whatsoever... and I had good traction...]]]
it says "racing super soft"
not slicks.
just racing, it makes no mention of slicks.
but another cool feature is thet the N3 tires are actually Advan Neovas
the old model. .. kinda cool
 
I just ran that course last night, and started with sport tires thinking they would be better than racing tires. I was all over the place! I switched to soft racing tires and and had much (much, much, many many muches :-) more traction. Obviously the racing tires are not slicks.
 
panjandrum
I just ran that course last night, and started with sport tires thinking they would be better than racing tires. I was all over the place! I switched to soft racing tires and and had much (much, much, many many muches :-) more traction. Obviously the racing tires are not slicks.
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Or it could be traction issues is not "all that" on wet? I raced these races on Qualifying tires aka slicks, and had super grip. This should not be the case, but there we are...
 
panjandrum
I just ran that course last night, and started with sport tires thinking they would be better than racing tires. I was all over the place! I switched to soft racing tires and and had much (much, much, many many muches :-) more traction. Obviously the racing tires are not slicks.
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Tire tread pattern is made to get the water out of the contact patch, as long as the amount of water on a track is not big it's better to use soft slick compound. The soft compound will stay at working temperature despite being cooled down by the water. That's why teams often wait to switch to rain tires even when it starts raining, or as been lightly rainning for a while.
 
I've never played a game that simulated rain realistically. And GT doesn't either. None of them simulate how horribly slippery racing in the wet really is because players can barely stay on the road even in the dry.

Wet roads are slippery. RL racing tires can not find traction on it because they are not designed for the wet. Production based race cars use 'rain tires' in the wet... and what they mean is they actually put regular street tires on the cars! Yes... it's usually a ultra performance street tire like a Michelin Pilot Sport or Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3... just like a normal sports car usually has.

A huge amount of engineering goes into the development of street tires for sports cars that will keep drivers from getting killed in the rain. In fact, this is the main difference between a street tire and a race tire... the race tire has sacrificed its wet handling in order to work better in the dry. Race tires are actually simpler (and usually cheaper per set than high quality street tires).


Maybe what they mean by the 'wet' courses in GT is just 'slightly wet'... where slicks will still work on them with just some small reduction in friction. If there's anything coming close to standing water on the track, race tires will just float across it with zero traction.

- Skant
 
So slicks still grip better in the rain then treaded tires? I thought they'd have fixed that.

Ajrik
MR = Mitsubishi Racing :)
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This is true, although it could just as easily mean 'minor revision'. Mitsubishi tacks this badge onto the end of a cars name whenever they've made a handfull of minor improvements* to the model and want you to notice them.

*5hp, revised brakes, that sort of thing.
 
SUROKIA
but another cool feature is thet the N3 tires are actually Advan Neovas
the old model. .. kinda cool
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Actually, it's even cooler than that. The N3 tires (or any Normal tires) change depending on what car you're in. In the 64 GTO, they're redline bias-plys. In the old Corvette, they're wide-whitewall bias-plys. Basically, the Normal tires put whatever tires came on the car stock on the car, instead of the generic sports tires. Pretty sweet if you ask me.
 
i was like m, maddness .. NEOVAs... this game is sweet.but yourt right..
i have neovas on my ram 1500 and it looks sick

EDIT:: the old muscle cars even have the Old POLYCON tires!!!!!!!!! :scared:
 

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