Transmission Tricks. Round 2

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Could you guys check out the info in the link I am about to supply. Give me your thoughts on the idea. And possibly explain how to do it? I'm not quite following from the instruction in the post.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6613553#post6613553

More acceleration?

Also, Read the OP a bit. How does one achieve the highest gear value options? I know you have to do the tranny trick, but what is the method to get the highest numbers.
 
Madmax's post is summarized by:

/basic drag and max speed tuning

minimum final gear = best acceleration for drag racing
maximum final gear = best for 'max speed tuning' (whatever that is)

the fastest way to flip a transmission for drag racing will always be a minimum final gear and minimum top speed slider
 
Madmax's post is summarized by:

/basic drag and max speed tuning

minimum final gear = best acceleration for drag racing
maximum final gear = best for 'max speed tuning' (whatever that is)

the fastest way to flip a transmission for drag racing will always be a minimum final gear and minimum top speed slider
Where exactly does he say that? I don't see it.
 
Where exactly does he say that? I don't see it.

he says this:

"Setting Final gear to minimum value gives longer gears that equals to less wheelspin and slower acceleration.
(Usefull for rain races)

Then there is the possibility to get higher gear values for all gear by searching for final gear value ,
that allows you to reach that memorised speed with minimal max speed setting.
(this means more acceleration as far as I know)

/basic drag and max speed tuning"

so I can only assume he was being respective, the first explanation being for drag racing, and the second one being for max speed tuning, per his definition

I'm open to the possibility i completely misunderstood his post, and thats fine, however what I said remains true, at least the part about drag racing
 
he says this:

"Setting Final gear to minimum value gives longer gears that equals to less wheelspin and slower acceleration.
(Usefull for rain races)

Then there is the possibility to get higher gear values for all gear by searching for final gear value ,
that allows you to reach that memorised speed with minimal max speed setting.
(this means more acceleration as far as I know)

/basic drag and max speed tuning"

so I can only assume he was being respective, the first explanation being for drag racing, and the second one being for max speed tuning, per his definition

I'm open to the possibility i completely misunderstood his post, and thats fine, however what I said remains true, at least the part about drag racing
It is correct if possible.
MadMax86
If final gear value is set to highed value and then top speed to highes speed.
And after this if the final gear is moved to minimum value the top speed goes skyhigh.
Following:
minimum final gear = best acceleration for drag racing
maximum final gear AND = best for 'max speed tuning' (whatever that is)

At least how I understand it.
 
Ok sorry but I am still not following in multiple area's.

One issue I am having is I asked for advice in this part of the forum before on a tranny setup best utilizing your theories but for circuit races.

Basically the conclusion was (besides obvious tight gear spacing) ending up with the final gear slider to the left meant more pull (acceleration)

what I have linked is the complete opposite. It says left means more top speed, right is more acceleration.

And another thing I am confused on is this..

If final gear value is set to highed value and then top speed to highes speed.
And after this if the final gear is moved to minimum value the top speed goes skyhigh.

When you figure out where the car's powerband ends in last gear ,
(where you should either shift up or brake down for the end of longest straith)
you'll be able to see/write down / memorise the top speed what is displayed at top of transmission tuning menu.

By knowing the exact speed , you can play around with the gears as much as you like and allways end up with optimal top speed.

In steps (sorry) how would I perform this variation of the tranny trick.

For instance I run gt500 cars around sazuka quite a bit, I have them setup so after my final gear is all the way to the left, I am still in the peak power curve going down the straight. I heard this is best for acceleration. Is that now wrong? Or am I just understanding all of this wrong.
 
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I understand what you are trying to ask, I'll get back after a little testing.

Ok. I'll try to make this simple. I got this from Wikipedia thru Google.

Now with that being explained. The final drive in a diff. reduces the power going to the wheels. This is because you have a smaller gear turning a larger gear.

For example a car with a 4:1 final ratio would be exerting 1/4 of the power coming from the transmission. Meaning the driveshaft turns 4 times to turn the wheels 1 time.

Now you take a car with a 2.5-3 (depending on car) final gear, the drive shaft will turn 2.5-3 times to turn the wheels 1 time.

So if you take that info and can understand that it does not really "create more torque" it is just reducing the amount of times your drive-train has to spin to spin your wheels 1 revolution. Thus making your drive-train more "efficient".

It sounds as weird in the game as IRL, but math and physics are to different animals.

I hope this helps if not I can try explain further.
 
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Thanks for your reply ryzno, I just came in about to bump the thread then i realized your post was much longer than before.

I get how its suppose to work, theory wise. My question is, Does it actually work in the game? And what steps do I do to achieve this, in the game.

Some of my confusion is coming from people saying final gear all the way to the left = more acceleration (pull to be exact)

But the post I linked in the OP says the opposite. So... whats what?

The 4:1 ratio would have more torque than the 3:1 ratio right?

which way is which in the game?

lol.. i'm confusing myself at this point.
 
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Some of my confusion is coming from people saying final gear all the way to the left = more acceleration (pull to be exact)

But the post I linked in the OP says the opposite. So... whats what?

This is all I really care about.
 
This is all I really care about.
He doesn't say the opposite. He says that if you want to improve acceleration, you have to first set final gear to a high number and then eventually to set it lower.
If you really want to be sure, send him a PM. I'm sure he meant this above, but his post somehow lacked a little of clarity and comprehensibility.
 
Thanks for your reply ryzno, I just came in about to bump the thread then i realized your post was much longer than before.

I get how its suppose to work, theory wise. My question is, Does it actually work in the game? And what steps do I do to achieve this, in the game.

Yes it does. The problem will be adjusting your top speed with the final gear.(I have seen a lot of racing tunes that say, use final to adjust top speed to track) The way we have or trans setup, there is little adjustment except to tweak each individual gear. So every time you go to a new track you'll have to do it all over again.

With that being said, when you go to flip your trans, you will have to figure out a final to flip it at so when you move the final to 2.5-3 the top speed will be the top speed you need to achieve at the end of the strait.

Example(random numbers for example) Ok say you need to hit 210MPH. What you would do is move the top speed all the way left to (usually 112MPH) After that you would set the final to a number that should get you to the top speed you need when your done. So I'll say set final to 5.00, you would then move the top speed slider to the right then the left 1 TIME. After that you would then move the final to its lowest setting, hopefully giving you the top speed that you want. You can then adjust each gear to your liking(obviously adjusting 6th or whatever last gear will effect top speed)

Some of my confusion is coming from people saying final gear all the way to the left = more acceleration (pull to be exact)

But the post I linked in the OP says the opposite. So... whats what?

Like I said it doesn't really "create" more torque, you are just making the drivetrain more efficient. All we are doing is making a close ratio trans, that's adjustable and has a efficiant final drive.

The 4:1 ratio would have more torque than the 3:1 ratio right?

which way is which in the game?

I'll explain this one more time:crazy:

This is hard to explain I had to sit in a 3 month transmission class to understand this. And it could honestly take me that long to explain it:scared: I actually had to bust out my school books for this.

First off, a gear ratio multiplies or divides the amount of effort that the motor exerts powering the driver gear. So say the engine puts out 100lbft of torque.
if you have a ratio of 4:1 the driver gear will turn 4 times to turn the driven gear 1 time meaning only 25lbft of tq are reaching the wheels. Now if you take the same engine and put it on a 1:4 ratio the driver gear will turn 1 time turning the driven gear 4 times creating 400lbft of tq. And obviously a 1:1 would only produce 100lbft of tq.

So as far as a final gear is concerned the closer you can get it to 1:1 the less power you are losing.

And yes it seems like 4:1 has a better pull, that is because the drivetrain is under less effort to turn everything. Like I said the final gear is reducing the power coming from the trans to the wheels.

So try to set your final as low as possible. Also I cant guarantee that you will be able to achive 250+MPH with our setup.

Also dont wrap your head around this. IRL you can change the final all day and never have to touch the trans. But GT has it setup so changing the final affects how you flip a trans. Also IRL you are stuck with the ratio combinations that are available. Not a unlimited number of ratios that you manipulate to your fancy.

lol.. i'm confusing myself at this point.

:lol: your starting to confuse me too!!! I hope this helps.

@YN89 There is no over thinking transmissions, I have a 400 page book explaining them. And another book that's 1600 pages explaining Everything from hydraulic principles in a brakes system to how R134a changes in a A/C system, I an go on all day dude.

PS: These are physics theories. And also to any dragsters that want to hate me for giving out our trans trick, go right ahead, its all over the place anyways:sly:
 
No one hates you for yelling people how to flip. We (sometimes) don't like it when you give out worlds fastest tunes. But I'm glad you helped him!
 
Lol. Ryzno, I thank you for putting so much effort into helping me understand.

I already know how to to flip a tranny, and after some trial and error I can Achieve that perfect top speed with the final all the way to the left. I will set it up so I have a little breathing room and can switch from Nurb GP, Sazuka, and Monaco without having to completely reset the trans. (unless its a serious, serious race)

I just wanted to make sure that Final gear all the way to the left was indeed the best way to do it.

I thought Madmax was posting some kind of completely opposite trick where all the meters were to the right or something crazy, And somehow this gave better acceleration.

I think I was just reading it wrong.

Thanks for the clarification guys. I guess I was doing it the right way all along.
 
Yep , start at a high final gear value that gets you to speed x at minimum final gear with a low auto top speed setting.

GT4 the 2 uses of tranny trick.

What I originally meant with tranny trick 2 was a 3rd way to use tranny trick in GT4.



MadMax
 
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