Turn in under Braking...

[Kent]

With cars like a corvette there are times where you are braking and you just dont feel like the turn in is what you want it to be.

I played with my settings and eventually, I thought of a concept to help turn in under braking. (specifically braking)

The brake balance controller.

Some may see this thing as a little old "hold you back" controller.

Not so... when used right, this can add to certain elements of performance.

Before I go any further I should mention the driving concept behind my changes...

When a wheel is not moving it's harder to turn. If a wheel is rolling freely it is easier to turn.

So with that idea driving this concept, I believe that the brake balance controller can distribute the braking power to the rear wheels allowing the front wheels to move more freely, hence, turn in under braking with more ease.

I tested this by lower the brake balancer controller level in on the front by 1.

This tiny little bit of adjustment made a noticable difference and will be noticed by you too. (I believe)

Only do this on cars which naturally suffer a lack of turn in under braking. (this means that cars like the skyline aren't in need of this sort of adjustment.)

Although, if you play around with it, Im sure this could even help out the skyline in some way.

Hope you guys like these ideas and wanna give me personal feed back.

 

[Duke]

Yes, GoKents, you are right. Though instead of lowering the front setting by 1, try raising the rear number by 1. This will give you the same effect without sacrificing any braking power. In fact, on some cars (like the RGT), you can improve braking power by bumping both numbers up to 14 or 15, then balancing the bias from there.

What you've discovered is called the traction circle. imagine the available traction from each tire as a circle on the ground, with an arrow pointing out from the center. The arrow represents the available amount of traction. When it is pointing straight ahead (acceleration) or straight back (braking), you obviously are using all of your available traction to do that thing. The same with turning - if the arrow is pointing directly off to the side (turning), you are using all your available traction to turn. But if you mix those actions by pointing the arrow diagonally (say, braking and turning at the same time) you will quickly see that you get both braking and turning, but not as much of either.

Make sense?

 

[Audiyoda]

I never thought of that, GoKents. I might have to try that out.

Thanks for the idea man!!!

-Sam

 

[GT-px racer]

just mess with your brake balance and Downforce

 

[Audiyoda]

just mess with your brake balance and Downforce

The Downforce doesn't help turning almost at all, downforce is mostly for speed and Cornering. Cornering not being the problem GoKents is stating. The may sound like the same thing but their not. Cornering is when you go around a hairpin turn, turning is just, well you know, turning.

-Sam

 

[RobweenerPI]

Brake earlier and trail off the brakes as you enter the corner. It will rotate as you enter if you do this correctly. Your "concept" is flawed. Weight transfer to the front end of a car is immense during braking so reducing the power to the front brakes will only increase your stopping distance. This happens because the rear brakes on most cars don't really do that much work(this is why rear brakes are drums or very small discs on most cars). I run the brake setting on all of my cars at the max setting. Neon Duke is on the right track with increasing the rear bias. Rear bias will help you trail brake. Also do this.....

Increase front stabilizer to allow less transfer, thus allowing the fronts to grip a bit better. Be sparing with this adjustment. And also set the differential to a low setting on Decel to allow the driven tires a wide range of differential slip to grip the road.

 

[Kent]

Actually I am well aware of the techniques mentioned in the above post.

However, I didn't not put this thread down with the intention of teaching people how to preform advanced braking techniques.

I did put this down to teach beginers a way around advanced technique.

The system of b.b.c. set up I described works, the braking technique described above also works.

Im my racing I use proper braking technique, however, my intention was to teach those who are new to the game a set up system to slowly lead them to better driving.

I put this in the set up area of the forum and not the driver technique area.

I understand your point, but I don't think you saw mine.

Even with the the technical aspects of my tuning being flawed in the real world sense, the tuning of the b.b.c. still has a greatly noticable effect on the turn in of certain cars. specifically the stock vette.

I think Im just trying to say not to worry about my application of proper braking technique. I have been playing long enough to know that proper tech. comes with time, and it will for all on the forum.

But this set up forum was design to help people with tuning and not technique.

 

[MilleniumHand]

what of methods using high front brake bias and high limited slip read settings to "tourque" the car around a turn? it provides awesome turn in speeds and increased straight line braking capacity for front engined cars.