U.S. automakers suffer image problem of old

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U.S. automakers suffer image problem of old
Source: Reuters
Written by Nick Carey

CHICAGO - Iain Robertson opted to buy his 1999 Honda Civic for three reasons; reliability, fuel efficiency and a little family history.

"My mother has owned several Hondas over the years, and she swears by them," said the self-employed 26-year-old from Bloomington, Indiana. "My impression of this and other Asian brands is that they are well made, efficient and don't break down much."

He said he was unable to make the same assumptions about American auto brands.

Among the myriad challenges facing U.S. automakers, including skyrocketing health-care and production costs, is the perception that U.S. vehicles are not as well built as Asian ones. Quality is a variable that has not received much attention lately, but still affects Detroit's prospects.

Analysts say beliefs like Robertson's are grounded in problems Detroit car makers had 20 to 30 years ago with reliability and efficiency, but do not reflect the significant progress made since then.

"This drives Detroit nuts," said David Healy, an auto industry analyst at Burnham Securities. "They have come a long way, but public perceptions don't reflect that."

Jokes surrounding General Motors Corp. , Ford Motor Co. and the American brands of DaimlerChrysler AG -- such as Ford standing for "Fix Or Repair Daily" -- are still told, and laughed at.

The perception has also helped erode the market share of the Big Three and lowers the resale price of used American cars. And while they have narrowed the gap with Asian car makers, Burnham Securities' Healy said their cars are still "spotty in places."

"Detroit (car makers have) high pension costs that put them at a disadvantage compared with the Asian car makers," he said. "They can't invest as much so they are constantly playing catch-up."

An October survey of more than 1 million car owners by nonprofit publication Consumer Reports reported that 29 of the 31 most reliable cars named by respondents were Japanese. The other two were the Chevrolet Monte Carlo and the Mercury Mariner.

Of the 48 least reliable, 22 were American, 20 European and four were Japanese, according to the survey.

Brian Moody, road test editor at automotive information Web site Edmunds.com, said the quality nadir for the American automobile industry lasted from the late 1970s to mid-1980s, when they lagged behind Asian car makers and produced cars famous for persistent problems.

"This is where the perception comes from," Moody said, adding it's possible children growing up in those years may have been influenced by seeing their parents deal with balky Big Three vehicles.

"Many people are subconsciously influenced by what their fathers may have said about different brands, even if those statements are no longer necessarily true," he said.

"It is an emotional issue," Moody added, saying some Big Three cars match their Asian counterparts, but "thanks to this emotional baggage some people don't give them a second look."

Moody and other analysts say the worst is now behind the Big Three, with some brands regaining some U.S. market share and earning recognition for advances.

From 2000 to 2005 J.D. Power and Associates' study of APEAL -- Automotive, Performance, Execution and Layout -- measuring "owners' delight" with their cars, has seen Asian cars in the lead with 47 awards. American brands have taken 35 and European brands 24.

Overall, the Big Three saw their U.S. market share decline to 56.9 percent in 2005 from 65.6 percent in 2000, according to J.D. Power data, although the Chrysler brand rose to 3.8 percent from 2.8 percent in the same period.

Toyota Motor Corp.'s market share rose to 10.6 percent in 2005 from 8.1 percent in 2000, while Honda Motor Co. Ltd.'s went to 7.4 percent from 5.9 percent.

Analysts said part of the problem can be resolved through improved communication.

"The challenge is to get people back into the showrooms," Edmunds' Moody said. "The key to that challenge is to reach people on an emotional level rather than just claiming they are making good vehicles."

Susan Jacobs, president of automotive consulting company Jacobs & Associates, said that rather than constantly pushing incentives and discounts "that give the impression these cars are on sale because no one is buying them," the Big Three need to "communicate the advances they are making in technology and comfort."

Jacobs said that when asked, she advises people to choose based on cars' attributes, as "there is very little between the brands nowadays."

"Many people don't know that," she added.

Blazin's Note: I've been saying this for years, American cars are good, people just don't see it that way.
 
I agree with that, I can name a good few US cars that are below par but I can from Japan and Europe too. The cars that are built in the US that get good reviews are as good as the respective cars from other regions. I'd asy a lot of US cars that get sold over here don't help the trend, simply because the cars manufacturers tend to sell over here are often far from their flagship models cars like the Corvette excluded. In the US these cars are a bargain, over here they arn't, they're priced like Saab's, BMW's, Subaru's, TVR's, Morgan's ect. It's mainly down to import taxes and that sort of thing I guess, it's like when European cars sell in the US, they get out priced by US cars easilly. However, I can only speak from the perspective of a non-America, quite why Americans have false concepts of a US cars build quality and reliability is a different matter, here it's the fact they're generally out priced and the well priced cars are LHD only. Imo regardless of the truth, this view will be kept by the majority of people for a few years yet. Though a lot of the younger generations over here are quite into American cars, especially the Mustang which we get over here, you see a Mustang on the street and it gets noticed. The problem here is though, not many people buy the Mustang, because the generation that loves it, isn't old enough to drive yet. There are people older that like the car as well, butgenerally, people don' buy into US cars over here and thats not simply down to not many US cars being put on sale here, it's down to attitude.
 
Ya I can see where you are coming from, I mean price is the main reason I wouldn't own a European car, in America they are expensive to buy and repair. But what gets me is how Japan can sell there cars for such a low price all over the world, do they even make money on them?
 
I don't know, I think it might simply be a volume thing, Japanese cars got a good reputation in the 70's and 80's for reliability and usability so they were able to sell as many cars in other countries or thereabouts and the local manufacturers were selling, in the 80's they really started to boom in Europe, the more cars you sell, the lower you can price them and you can make as much profit as not as many cars but a higher price I wouldn't be suprised if more Japanese cars were sold in the US than European cars. I don't know if all thats correct or not, but thats one reason it could be that popped into my head.
 
More Japanese cars are definatly sold in the US then European cars. Toyota is the #1 selling brand right now...overall for the most part. But I just don't see Japanese cars offering anything over American or European cars. It's almost like people here buy them because of a Toyota or Honda badge...not a Nissan because the image in the US right now is that they are crap. I like some Japanese cars, I like some European cars...but as the article said, most cars and brands are pretty similar now-a-days. Pretty soon it's going to come down to looks when you buy your car because everything will be pretty much the same.
 
Weve owned cars from every one of the major superpowers and it is pretty easy to say that as of late, American cars and trucks have had the least ammount of problems overall.

...Of course, thats probably because the most recent American buys were a 2002 Tahoe LT, 2003 Astro LT, and a 2005 Avalance 4X4... The engines are stronger than ever, no complains about the transmissions and four wheel drive... Build quality was good, but not amazingly awesome (its still an American truck), and we got some good deals (not only with GM employee discount...the real employee discount).

Cant say the same for my stemp mom's Altima... Wow that thing sucks. If people actually compared cars like the Malibu LT to the Altima 2.5S, they would be stunned how crappy the Nissan is... Its the first Nissan product my immediate family has owned that we have hated so much... So much for the glory days of the Maxima...
 
I think the image problem works both ways. The younger generation thinks foreign cars are all better. There are many older people who refuse to buy anything not american or even a car related to a foreign one.

The big thing I've noticed is that for the most part american cars do not have great interiors. Thats a personal thing and I'm sure there are exceptions.
 
XCTSI: it's not just a personal thing. GM's rep for craptacular interiors, even in the like of a Caddy, has been proven
Live4Speed: the American Pessimists Society (AKA, ralf Nader and Consumer Reports) nails american cars on a regular basis, and practically drove non german Europe from our shores. in 10 years of driving, I have seen a total of 10 BMW's (mostly 70's and early 80's 3 series) 2 merc 190's, a single Mecedes Estate, and ONE peugeot 506 sedan. the most foreign around here are Jettas...with destroyed headlight buckets. there are subarus and even a MINI cooper sitting idle in parking lots at dealerships cause it costs too much to fix anything should it break. I also see a lot less in the way of Japanese than I used to, mostly Accords, the occasional civic.

i know where I can pick up a Toyota Starlet for Junk...about 5 bucks
 
Back when I lived in the jungle I had a 1989 toyota corona and that car amazed. Never gave any trouble or broke down and those roads were rough hills gravel potholes and streets swamped with water and it never broke down once. I then came back to england brought a vauxhall cavalier and that P.O.S broke down so often. So many different things went wrong with it. And the interior was about the same quality as the corona. And the corona even had A/C which this crap cavalier didnt.The cavalier was fairly swift however when the transmission wasnt playing up but it was noisy. Sounded like a tractor. The toyota was actually failry quiet and got gd MPG.
 
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