UKGTPXIII - The Dertien - Events poll

[Roo]

I wish this had occured to me sooner. I'm a bear of very little brain, so there's no way I'm going to be able to wrap my head around a Dutcho, Devil's Own, or Pick Your Own type event. Therefore I'm asking you, the good attendees of UKGTP13, to vote for the 6 events you most enjoyed / think sound good, from both UK and SFGTPs; we probably won't have time for 6, but I'd rather too many than too few. Some of the longer handicaps can be trimmed to fit. I've already got a track in mind for the Clio Endurance, and you'll all hate me for it.

Some have numbers in brackets - that's the UKGTP I've copied the cars from. The poll is open until Saturday, but as I won't have Internet access after Friday evening, that was a bit stupid

And obviously, please only vote if you're actually coming - the poll is public for a reason.

Handicaps

Classics Handicap (9)
Jenson Interceptor
BMW 2002
Nissan Skyline (one of the 70s ones, of course)
Alfa Duetto
Autobianchi
Triumph Spitfire

Classics Handicap (7)
Jaguar E-Type
Lotus Europa
BMW 2002
Alfa Duetto
Golf Mk1
Isuzu 117
Triumph Spitfire

One Hit Wonders Handicap
Proto Spirra
Range Rover Stormer
Dome
Eagle
Seat

Coupe Handicap (7)
RUF RGT
Spyker C8
Aston Vanquish
Proto Spirra
Corvette Z06
Esprit '02
BMW M3
ASL Gariya

Coupe Handicap (6)
RUF RGT
BMW M3 CSL
RUF 3400S
Jag XKR-R
AM Vantage V8
Mustang SVT Cobra R
Clio V6
Esprit HC
Stratos
VX220 Speedster
Elise Type 72

Coupe Handicap (5)
RUF RGT
BMW M3 CSL
Jaguar XKR-R Performance
Ford SVT Mustang Cobra R
Lotus Esprit V8-SE
Renaultsport Clio V6
TVR V8S
BMW M Coupé
Lotus Elise Type 72
DMC DeLorean S2

Super Saloon Handicap
BMW M5
Mine's Lancer Evolution VI
Lotus Carlton
FPV GT
Nissan Skyline 350GT-8
Mercedes 190 Evolution

Noughties Coupes Handicap
Ruf RGT
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
BMW M3 '04
Ford Mustang GT '05
Pontiac Solstice Concept
Chrysler Crossfire

GT1 Handicap
Mercedes AMG CLK GT-R
McLaren F1 GTR
Pagani Zonda LM
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R
Ford GT LM '02
Ford Falcon XR8

70s Babies Handicap
Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi '71
Plymouth Superbird '70
Dome Zero '78
Lotus Europa Special '71
BMW 2002 Turbo '73
Nissan Skyline 2000 GT-R '73
Alpine 310 1600VE '73
Mitsubishi Colt Galant GTO MR '70

American All Stars Handicap
Ford GT
Viper SRT/10
Z06
Mustang SVT Cobra R
Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe
Camaro Z28
Buick GNX
Dodge SRT4 03
Chevrolet SSR
Ford Focus ST170

Race Car Handicap
Audi R8 ‘01
Nissan R390 GT1 ‘98
BMW McLaren F1 GTR ‘97
Chaparral 2D ‘67
Ford Falcon XR8 '00
Honda Takata Dome NSX (JGTC) '03
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63
Toyota Altezza Touring Car '01
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rally Car '85
Mazda 6 Touring Car ‘02

SUV Handicap
Audi Pikes Peak 03
Toyota RSC 01
Infiniti FX45
Mazda MX-Crossport
Range Stormer

FF Race Car Handicap
Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99
Honda Integra Type-R Touring Car '02
Honda Motul Mugen Civic Race Car '87
Volkswagen New Beetle Cup Car '00
Honda Gathers Drider Civic Race Car '98

Pick'n'Mixes

DTM Pick'n'Mix
Merc 190E
Merc CLK
Alfa 155
Opel Astra
Audi A4
Audi TT

Group B Pick'n'Mix
Nissan Silvia 240RS (S100) '83
Ford RS200 '84
Peugeot 205 T16 '85
Lancia Delta HF Evolutione '91
Renault 5 Turbo '80
Audi quattro '82

Al Gore Eco Challenge Pick'n'Mix
Toyota Prius
Citroen C3
Nissan Micra
Honda Insight
Mitsubishi i
Mazda Demio '99

Supercar Pick'n'mix (8)
Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept '01
Pagani Zonda S 7.3 '02
Tommy kaira ZZII '00
Ford GT '05
Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR '03
Jaguar XJ220 '92

Supercar Pick'n'Mix (7)
Zonda
Audi Le Mans Quattro
Ford GT '05
McMerc SLR
Speed 12
R390GT1 Road car

Group C Pick'n'mix
Minolta Toyota 88C-V '89
Nissan R92CP '92
Sauber C9 '89
Peugeot 905 '92
Mazda 787B '91
Jaguar XJR-9 '88

Hot Hatch Pick'n'Mix
Yaris Turbo
MINI Cooper
Ibiza
Lupo Gti
106 S16
Focus RS

GT300 Pick'n'Mix
ASL ARTA Garaiya '03
Toyota WedsSport Celica (JGTC) '03
RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7 (JGTC) '04
Toyota SuperAutoBacs MR-S (JGTC) '00
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza '03
Nissan C-West RaZo Silvia '01

TVR Pick'n'Mix
Tamora
Griffith
T350C
Cerbera
Tuscan
V8S

Muscle Car Pick'n'Mix (I can't remember what the other 2 cars were, but you get the idea)
GT350
Charger
Cougar
Cuda
?
?

Kei Car Pick'n'Mix
Honda Beat
Mazda AutoZam AZ-1
Suzuki Cappuccino '95
Daihatsu Copen Active Top
Mitsubishi Minica Dangan ZZ
Nissan CUBE '02

LM Edition Pick'n'Mix
Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car '01
Ford GT LM Race Car '02
Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car '01
Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car '01
Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car '01
Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car '02

Super Coupe Pick'n'Mix
RUF BTR '86
BMW M3 GTR '03
Lotus Esprit V8 '02
Dodge Viper GTS '99
TVR T350C '03
Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8 '04

Gentleman's Agreement Pick'n'Mix
Toyota Supra RZ '97
Honda NSX Type S Zero '99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII RS '03
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi spec C '04
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '00
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) '99

GT500 Pick'n'Mix
Honda Loctite Mugen NSX (JGTC) '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra (JGTC) '00
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT (JGTC) '00
Nissan Calsonic Skyline (JGTC) '00
Honda Mobil 1 NSX (JGTC) '01
Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GT-R (JGTC) '99

Performance Car Pick'n'Mix
RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" '87
Shelby Series 1 Super Charged '03
BMW M5 '05
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '03
Spyker C8 Laviolette '02
Mercedes SL 65 AMG (R230) '04

FF Coupe Pick'n'Mix - SF edition
Fiat Coupe
Alfa GTV
Hyundai Tiburon
Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
Mitsubishi FTO GR '97
Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '99

FF Coupe Pick'n'Mix - UK edition
Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24v '04
Honda Accord Coupé Import Edition EX V6 '03
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '97
Peugeot 406 Coupé 3.0 V6 '98
Mazda 323F '93
Hyundai Coupé FX '01

90s 4WD Rally Car Pick'n'Mix
206 Rally Car
Impreza '99
Escort '98
Delta '92
Celica GT Four '95
Evo IV '97

MR Challenge Pick'n'Mix
Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87
Honda NSX '90
Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
Opel Speedster Turbo '00
Hyundai HCD6 '01
Acura NSX '91

We also did an SUV Pick'n'Mix once, I'm sure, but I'm not sure what all the cars were. (SUVs, yes I know, thank you pedants.)

 

[Jondot]

Ok, as a UKGTP virgin I'm not really in a position to vote. But while I'm clogging up the thread, do I take it that these races work on a system that runs parallel to A-Spec points? I.e, I could pick a Ford GT (and beat every Focus to the finish line) but essentially get hammered when it comes to dishing out points?

 

[Roo]

Sorry, I forgot to explain... so I'll let Famine do it for me.

A fixture of UKGTPs for some time now, the idea behind the handicap is to have all drivers in a single, fast start vehicle. Successful drivers advance to slower vehicles, making their races progressively harder. The series winner is the driver who manages to win a race in the slowest available vehicle - often translating into a race where all drivers are in the slowest available vehicle and one of them avoids crashing/being crashed into.

Handicap example (scroll down a bit)

A classic format - 6 cars, 6 races for each driver and each car may only be used once by each driver. Drivers are allowed to choose when they use each car - do they start off in the best and get points on the board, or start off in the worst to get them out of the way, or do they simply try to match the car to the track as best they can?

Pick'n'Mix example

Feel free to vote for the events you like the sound of

 

[Jondot]

Sorry, I forgot to explain... so I'll let Famine do it for me.



Handicap example (scroll down a bit)



Pick'n'Mix example

Feel free to vote for the events you like the sound of

Righto 👍 I'll poor over those before this weekend and try and make sense of it all

 

[Sureboss]

I've voted for 6 (yes, SIX!)

We have to do Group B's, anyone who doesn't vote for them will be subjected to taunting all weekend.

 

[Roo]

Fiddlesticks. I forgot one.

The Sean Connery Memorial Shilvia ****box Shishtersh Handicap
NISMO 270R '94
200SX '96
Silvia K's (S13) '88
Silvia Varietta (S15) '00
Silvia Q's (S13) '88

Suggested by daan, so he can stick it in the poll with his supermod powers. In the meantime, vote for 5 and post that you want this one if you so desire. Fixed.

 

[daan]

suggested by daan, so he can stick it in the poll with his supermod powers. In the meantime, vote for 5 and post that you want this one if you so desire.

 

[Sureboss]

Eco Challenge

 

[daan]

Even though I've voted for the usual favourites, perhaps we should use a load of Smallhorses/US ones that none of us have done before.

 

[Famine]

*places 100 votes for Algore*

 

[daan]

*places 100 votes for Algore*

Would that be wrong of us?

 

[homeforsummer]

*places 100 votes for Algore*

I've picked that one too.

Me being me, I always enjoy racing the slower stuff much more, so along with Al Gore and my beloved Insight I've picked the Super Saloon Handicap, the SUV handicap (I remember much cursing with this one from the last one... excellent), the Kei car pick'n'mix with my other beloved Mazda AZ-1, Copen, Cube etc (incidentally, the Cube isn't a Kei - how about the Suzuki Lapin?) the UK FF Coupe one, and the MR challenge.

In all honesty though I'd be happy with most of the above.

What Mazda were you considering for the Al Gore? How about the NA MX-5, I can get 40mpg from mine

 

[Sureboss]

Would that be wrong of us?

Just remember who has the most upper body strength this weekend!

 

[Famine]

Just remember who has the most upper body strength this weekend!

The ones without WaGs?

 

[Sureboss]

The ones who don't spend 14 hours a day getting trophies on PSN?

 

[Car-less]

Voted - had trouble getting down to just 6 from my initial 9 choices!

What Mazda were you considering for the Al Gore? How about the NA MX-5, I can get 40mpg from mine

The Algore challenge was the first that I dropped as it was already in second place, so is practically guaranteed. IMHO its an essential part of any event, being the only one on economy tyres - everything else usually being sports or race tyres. PD went to the trouble of including these cheap cars and tyres, so we should take every advantage to use them for a bit of variety.

Checking my spreadsheet, the series was designed to use the Mazda Demio '99 as its performance is very close to all the others in the series except the Prius '03 who's advantage was enhanced when the actual races were shortened from my ~20 mile testing session. Unfortunately the Prius '02 is about 5 seconds per lap too slow to replace the '03.

Now I just need to get my hands on a new GT4 disk so that I can test the last 100 or so cars in the game.

 

[Roo]

What Mazda were you considering for the Al Gore?

I was copying from the results thread of previous events, and it just said Mazda. I couldn't remember which Mazda, but I assumed Car-less would know.

Checking my spreadsheet, the series was designed to use the Mazda Demio '99

Thank you 👍

 

[Famine]

I recall putting in the Lupo 1.4 for the most recent one in place of the Demio. My list dun sez:

Mitsubishi I Concept '03
Toyota Prius G Touring Selection '03
Nissan Micra 12c '03
Honda Jazz 1.4 dSi '01
Citroen C3 '02
Mazda Demio GL-X '99
Honda Insight Hybrid '99
Volkswagen Lupo 1.4 '02

I believe I chucked the Jazz in at the expense of... errr... the Micra, because it's the only other ecocar with a D-gear, meaning you can get the Prius, i and Jazz all running single speeds and generating the world's least pleasant beat frequency.

 

[Smallhorses]

I can safely say that the LM Pick'n'Mix won't work on PAL version due to the massive HP difference with the 350Z LM Race Car between NTSC & PAL versions. It's quite well matched to the others in NTSC, but would rip away from the pack considerably in PAL-land.

Not that I'll be there, so I'll abstain from putting votes in the poll, but for fun's sake I'd pick:

90s 4WD Rally Car Pick'n'Mix
Coupe Handicap (5)
FF Race Car Handicap
Super Coupe Pick'n'Mix
Gentleman's Agreement Pick'n'Mix
FF Coupe Pick'n'Mix - SF edition

I'm a little biased towards my own P'n'Ms here, but I thoroughly tested my 6 car groups mostly to within a second of one another round the 3 test courses in A-spec mode to give groups of closely matched cars for good racing, as I'd found that some of the groups we used at UK events were a little mismatched in some cases, the Hot Hatches particularly.

 

[Car-less]

Not wanting to have 2 cars from the same manufacturer in the series, I conciously left out the Jazz in favour of the Insight despite its eco credentials and appropriate performance. The Lupo also performs appropriately as do the following;

Mini One '02
Mercedes-Benz A160 Avantgarde '98
Mitsubishi Colt 1.5 Sport X-Version ''02
Toyota Yaris U Euro Sport Edition '00
Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 '00
Toyota Voltz S '02

...though these I'd consider more sporty than ecocentric.

I can safely say that the LM Pick'n'Mix won't work on PAL version due to the massive HP difference with the 350Z LM Race Car between NTSC & PAL versions. It's quite well matched to the others in NTSC, but would rip away from the pack considerably in PAL-land.

Agreed. It appears to be about 2.5 seconds per lap too fast, and the Pagani Zonda LM is not much better at about 2 seconds per lap.
The Honda S2000 LM is 2 seconds too slow, and the NSX-R LM is about 6 seconds too slow! The five other cars are all within a second or so of each other.

 

[Famine]

I can safely say that the LM Pick'n'Mix won't work on PAL version due to the massive HP difference with the 350Z LM Race Car between NTSC & PAL versions. It's quite well matched to the others in NTSC, but would rip away from the pack considerably in PAL-land.

It's a good banker car. The fun comes when 5 people pick it for the same race, meaning only one person gets maximum points for it and in other races, other cars can pick up maxmium points.

Edit: Though I don't recognise the line-up... I suspect this is a Roo's-own

I'm a little biased towards my own P'n'Ms here, but I thoroughly tested my 6 car groups mostly to within a second of one another round the 3 test courses in A-spec mode to give groups of closely matched cars for good racing, as I'd found that some of the groups we used at UK events were a little mismatched in some cases, the Hot Hatches particularly.

The oddity with hot hatches - and this wasn't appreciated until the event itself - was that the Focus RS was the quickest car with a controller, but utterly undriveable with a wheel...

 

[EXelero]

I guess theres no surprise that I voted for the Kei class? Although I don't actually intend on doing any racing as per! It would still be great to watch and I can then pretend I'm doing the race on the way home!!!!

 

[Roo]

I suspect this is a Roo's-own

All the above were copy-pasted from previous results threads - the LM P'n'M was an SF event.