Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - UAP/UFO

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  1. Dotini

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    At the encouragement of a well-known member, I am starting this thread on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), formerly known as unidentified flying objects (UFO). This is not to be confused with the thread on aliens, which goes on as before. The purpose of this new thread is to report, discuss, explain and even debunk yours and others sightings, and any hypotheses you might wish to entertain. Here, the discussion of aliens, while not forbidden, is strongly discouraged on the solid grounds that it inhibits progress on the topic problem, is the proper topic of another existing thread, and there is no known or proven evidence of aliens to discuss.

    I provide this link to the wikipedia article, which is a fine place to start.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object
     
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    Amazing cover painted by the great science-fiction artist Frank R. Paul for the pulp magazine Science Wonder Stories, showing a huge mechanical disk drifting through space with the Woolworth Building in tow.

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    Frank R. Paul’s cover for the November 1929 “Science Wonder Stories,” via Wikimedia Commons.



    Anonymous cover art of non-fiction book authored by a military officer.

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    Donald Keyhoe, “The Flying Saucers Are Real” (Fawcett Publications, 1950).
     
  3. BobK

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    Ah, so that's what happened to Woolworths. At one time they had a store in pretty much every medium or larger town in America. I was wondering where they went.
     
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    Thanks for your post. The Woolworth Building, currently a National Historic Landmark, was the tallest building in the world at the time of the artwork. It could be questioned what role such imagery made in the public perception, creation of memes, popular culture, etc.
     
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    The classified drone test hypothesis seems to be diminished, if the details following are to be accepted.

    U.S. Navy Releases Dates of Three Officially Acknowledged Encounters with “Phenomena”

    11 September, 2019 / in UFO Phenomena


    By John Greenewald, Jr. – The Black Vault – Originally Published September 11, 2019

    Today, the U.S. Navy released the dates of three officially acknowledged encounters with what they call “phenomena.” In multiple statements received exclusively by The Black Vault, the Navy excited those interested in UFOs by officially admittingthat the videos referred to as the ”FLIR1,” “Gimble” and “GoFast” were, in fact, “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” or UAPs. Now, the Navy has offered up brief, but additional details about the cases, some of which, were previously unknown.

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    Screen grab from the “GoFast” video on To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) website. Image Credit: TTSA

    The three videos referenced were originally released by the New York Times and To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) beginning in December of 2017. Two of the three videos, “FLIR1” and “Gimble,” were released first. Later in March of 2018, the “GoFast” video was revealed on TTSA’s website but offered limited details.

    Most will recognize the phrasing, “Unidentified Flying Object” or UFO, much more easily than UAP. However, the U.S. Navy has seemingly adopted the latter in recent years. According to Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, “the ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena’ terminology is used because it provides the basic descriptor for the sightings/observations of unauthorized/unidentified aircraft/objects that have been observed entering/operating in the airspace of various military-controlled training ranges.”

    When asked what the three videos represented, Gradisher stated to The Black Vault, “The Navy has not publicly released characterizations or descriptions, nor released any hypothesis or conclusions, in regard to the objects contained in the referenced videos.”

    Although the Navy will not go on the record about any conclusion they have drawn, Gradisher did offer a glimpse into how they characterize the videos by adding, “The Navy considers the phenomena contained/depicted in those 3 videos as unidentified” (emphasis added).

    It was also revealed that “FLIR1,” “Gimble” and “GoFast” are not the official names used by the U.S. military to reference these videos. “The Navy’s official identifiers for the referenced videos do not match the names referenced (FLIR1, Gimble and GoFast)… the Navy identifies these videos by the respective dates of the observations/sightings,” said Gradisher.

    The Navy did not offer the exact designation numbers for the videos, but did reveal the dates for all three incidents. “[The] dates are 14 November 2004 for ‘FLIR1’ and 21 January 2015 for both ‘Gimble’ and ‘GoFast.’”

    The “FLIR1” video was taken during what is known as the “Tic-Tac Incident” which occurred off the coast of San Diego, and the date for this encounter has been known for some time. However, the dates for the “Gimble” and “GoFast” videos, were not. According to TTSA’s website, “the date, location, and other information have been removed by the originating authority as part of the release approval process.” This phrasing is used verbatim on both the “Gimble” and “GoFast” pages.

    With this new revelation from the Navy, it now shows the “Gimble” and “GoFast” cases occurred on the same day and quite possibly, are two aspects of the same event. The idea has been floated by some researchers that the videos were related, due to critical analysis of the on-screen displays, and the fact that the voices within the videos sound similar, but the fact was not officially confirmed, until now.

    The Navy was asked for more specifics, such as details about the location the videos were shot in, but the response to that line of questioning was brief. “We will not be providing any details on individual reports,” responded Gradisher. And that is where the information stopped flowing on the three videos.

    The news comes as a surprise to many, and aides in research currently underway on these UAP cases. Although the Navy won’t comment on the specifics about the “Gimble” and “GoFast” location; one researcher feels he’s figured it out.

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    The Nimitz Encounters movie poster. Image Credit: Dave Beaty

    According to filmmaker Dave Beaty, who re-released the “Nimitz Encounters” movie about the “Tic-Tac Incident” earlier this year, another piece of the puzzle has emerged with these recent statements. “The fact that we now know the dates of the ‘Gimbal’ and ‘GoFast’ videos helps put one more piece of the puzzle together,” says Beaty. “The deck logs from the USS Normandy, the cruiser in the USS Roosevelt Strike Group, shows she was in a specific location off the coast of Florida and Georgia. Specifically, a little more than 100 miles east, equidistant between Jacksonville and Savannah. This is the JAX OPAREA. The cruiser stays with the carrier at all times during operations. So now we not only know the date, but the estimated position of the UAP.”


    Although many theories have been proposed on what these UAP encounters are, some believe they may simply be a biproduct of U.S. military training exercises utilizing classified drone or related technology. Unbeknownst to the pilots involved, these classified instruments are utilized in their field of view, captured on infrared cameras, and certain members of the military may not be ‘read in’ to what classified technology they may be witnessing. Although that seems like a plausible explanation for these encounters, these new statements by the Navy labeling the cases as “unidentified aerial phenomena” are making some second guess that theory.

    “I would find it hard to believe that another branch, such as the USAF, would conduct secret tests without letting the Navy know,” said Beaty. “It’s not beyond the realm of possibility, if secrecy is paramount, but I think it would break a few safety protocols. I’ve speculated that these are the newest advanced drones we have, but now, I’m reconsidering that once again.”

    The hunt for the truth… continues.

    https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...ially-acknowledged-encounters-with-phenomena/
     
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    A video, part of a submission to the Supreme Court of India which is now under consideration.


    https://silvarecord.com/2019/09/13/ttsa-ufos-india-pakistan-nuclear-war/


    The following article was published by Popular Mechanics, widely considered to be well-connected and reliable in reporting of intelligence and military news. Cilck link for the full set of videos.

    The Navy Says Those UFO Videos Are Real

    And they were never meant to be released to the public.

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    By Kyle Mizokami
    Sep 16, 2019

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    • The U.S. Navy says three videos showing reported encounters between Navy aircraft and UFOs are real.
    • But a Navy spokesperson says the clips show “unexplained aerial phenomena,” which is not to say that they’re piloted by aliens.
    • While the videos are unclassified, the Navy says they were never cleared for release.
    The U.S. Navy has confirmed that three online videos purportedly showing UFOs are genuine. The service says the videos, taken by Navy pilots, show “unexplained aerial phenomena,” but also states that the clips should have never been released to the public in the first place.

    The three videos in question are titled "FLIR1," "Gimbal," and "GoFast." They show two separate encounters between Navy aircraft and UFOs.

    One video was taken in 2015 off the East Coast by a F/A-185F fighter jet using the aircraft's onboard Raytheon AN/ASQ-228 Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) Pod. The other clip, also recorded with a Super Hornet ATFLIR pod, was taken off the coast of California in 2004 by pilots flying from the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz. In the videos, air crews loudly debate what the objects are and where they came from.

    The videos were released for public viewing by The New York Times and To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, a UFO research group from former Blink-182 member Tom DeLonge.

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    In each case, the objects in the videos undertook aerial maneuvers that aren't possible with current aviation technology. In the 2004 incident, according to The New York Times, the objects "appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up."

    Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, told The Black Vault, an online repository of secret and otherwise classified documents, that the Navy "designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena."


    That terminology is important. "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" provides "the basic descriptor for the sightings/observations of unauthorized/unidentified aircraft/objects that have been observed entering/operating in the airspace of various military-controlled training ranges," Gradisher told The Black Vault.

    In other words, the Pentagon says the aerial objects in the videos are simply unidentified, and for now, unexplained. The Navy is pointedly not saying the objects are flying saucers or otherwise controlled by aliens.

    Earlier this year, the Department of Defense told The Black Vault that the videos were unclassified, but never cleared for public release, and that there had been no review process within the Pentagon for releasing them.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a29073804/navy-ufo-videos-real/?utm_source=reddit.com
     
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