Used Car Considerations

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GTPlanet, I would like to say hello to you all. I hope you're having a great day or night today/tonight.

Okay, I think GT3 was a bit of a disappointment as you had 18,000 to start with, because you could only purchase new cars. There was an advantage to this, you can choose a car with your choice of colors available. Okay, that's not a BIG difference, but you couldn't be able to race on a budget. In Gran Turismos 1 and 2, you can fish around the Used Car lots for faster and better cars. Hey, that's how I got a hold of the Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) MR, which is the best version of possibly the best car in GT1. But all the used cars were Japanese. I'm not going to start or influence another nationality-bashing on cars, but, I think some American cars would be good to sell. Add a few more to the mix. So if you ask me, used cars should have some special considerations. And that's why this topic was created. I'll start.

Anyone who's followed my "Menu and Presentation Considerations" thread knows that I had an idea of a 3D or 2D showroom that you can navigate. As far as used cars go, here are two seperate ideas:

(1a) USED CARS: MANUFACTURER SPECIFIC
This topic stays with the classic style of used cars. You go to a car manufacturer to purchase old cars. If you have the money, you can purchase a stock machine with a decent number of miles on it. You may never know. That dorky Japanese station wagon may be a machine to take out lightly-tuned American rides in Clubman or Sunday Cup action. Now to me, I don't think that only Japanese makes should have used cars. In fact, I would like to see myself owning maybe a 1994 Camaro Z-28, tuning it up, make it a decent club-level racer until I can make enough money to purchase some shiny new muscle. Or, maybe I can pick up an old Volvo sedan, give it a racing mod (topic for this is coming soon from me), it will be a touring car. How does an inexpensive BMW from the 1970s sound? Don't just make them "exclusive" to Japanese. Just make the Used Car lots for almost all groups.

(1b) USED CARS: MIXED BAG
This topic stays with the classic style of used cars, but instead of a make-specific used car lot, this one is a variation of machines. Think about this. You go to a used car lot somewhere in town and purchase a car from a big bunch of used cars. It may not be the swan out of a pile of ugly ducklings, but it is a car you can work on and make it a racer (not to mention maybe a daily driver). Now, if you were to proceed with this, I don't know if auto manufacturers will be happy having other cars from other makes in used car yards. On another end, it doesn't really matter. It isn't like a used car dealer is sponsored by an actual make. For example, "Billy Bob Chevrolet and Ford," even though you see a Toyota Corolla from the 1980s.

...or...

(2) USED CARS: MODIFIED AND UNMODIFIED
This style of used car buying is a bit different. I'm thinking of a used car lot that features pre-tuned automobiles. For example, you may be able to buy a 1980s Mazda RX-7 that has had a painted urethane hood and lightweight parts and enhanced aero kit, and it was tuned to say... 275hp. This modified car lot can even feature stock-looking cars with serious engine enhancements and bolt-ons. You may be lucky to find a machine tuned for rally. Because after all, rally cars, even outside of their element, can still be race cars. You learned that well in Gran Turismo 3. Be warned, though. A pre-tuned car can cost almost double or even triple the amount of the stock car. You can even look at a CRX stock for some amount, but then when tuned, can cost double or triple.

Another consideration for used cars that I have is that you won't be able to choose the same car with different colors. What I would do is that if you had two or more of the same car (for example, three different Lancer Evo IVs), you can choose which car color you want. So if the colors were silver, red, and blue, you can choose whichever one, for the same price. Just because a certain color changes the price of the machine doesn't mean that they should be different in price. If you want to be technical, maybe you can choose a car, and that car will be erased from the car list. If there are two or more of the same car and you take one of them, that car name will remain there, but you can choose from another machine of the same kind, if any others in other colors are available.

Any ideas to keep the thread going?
 
*banned from using the word "considerations"*

I loved the used cars in 1 and 2, I'm so happy to see the return of them. I also want a modified used car to be worth more then an unmodified one when sold. yus yus
 
Used muscle cars. That's what I want. But, the problem with that is the insane amount of money that popular muscle cars are going for. 5 to 6 grand for a piece of crap, that needs a lot of work, to 10 to 20 grand for a car that's in decent condition.

I also want older cars to make into the game. Say 1974 to 2000 used cars. GT2 had a very limited amount of used older cars.

The most important addition of used cars has to be more choices of used cars. the majority of used cars in GT2 were Japanese cars.
 
All I care about with used cars is the inclusion of non-Japanese manufacturers in the used car selection. I'd love to start the game with a used BMW 3 series.
 
The only used cars in GT2 were Japanese cars, none of the other cities had and makers with a used car section. I think a blend of used cars for certain manufacturers, but keep certain prestige marquees like Aston Martin with only new cars. But then have a couple of used car only garages that feature mixed makes, so you could have a used car garage that stocks anything it can get it's hands on, then you could have a used garage that has older prestige cars like classic Jags and Astons ect.
 
They could sort the used cars like this for example

--<1000km
Mazda
BMW
Chevrolet
--1001-10000 km
Mazda
BMW
CHevrolet
--10001 - 200.. Well you get it...
 
Used cars should work like this:

You select a manufacturer's dealership from the main GT mode menu (e.g: Fiat), there will be a seperate used car section for this dealer full of cars with the some miles on the clock, so this is how the used car listing should look for Fiat:

500R '75 327654km Blue 4100cr
X1/9 '88 54,386km Black 6250cr
Cinquecento Sporting '98 42,854km Broom Yellow 5749cr
Cinquecento Sporting '98 53,947km Imola Blue 5775cr
Seicento Sporting '99 39,873km Broom Yellow 6950cr
Uno Turbo i.e '93 74,844km Red 5336cr
Coupe 20v Turbo Plus '00 67,953km Ink Black 11950cr

A bit similar to the old system, but I don't think there was much wrong with that. This is basically the old system with some improvements.
 
I think GT4 should have a few "universal" car lots, with all makes and models.. not Manufacturer specific ones.. yes it would be easier but like when I go rideing around my town there are many used car lots that are not manufacturer specific cars so to me having it that way isnt very realistic seeing how ive seen it before.... but Yes have 3-5 car lots with all makes and models, let it be a yr old to 30 yrs old... Muscle cars shouldnt be in the "new" car secton they should be used cars.... since of course they arent new anymore... The miles on a car SHOULD make a diffrence since they obviously do in real life... The color should maybe aswell, but if not then who cares. For example, haveing a stock car with alot of miles would cost 5,000, and a slightly modded car with a new engine/ transmission or rebuilt one should cost a little more.... everything should be a factor like in real life, In GT the miles you put on your car should make a diffrence, meaning that when a certain car reaches 150,000 miles you need a new engine... So if you buy a used car with 145,000 miles maybe after a few thousand you need a new engine or something, the more things we need to waste money on the better..... So its not just the cost thats makes a diffrence its the amount of miles, which determines how long the car will "last" before needing a new engine or tranny, so it forces you to hook up your car faster rather than having that car forever and have it run like the first day you bought it, make it realistic the car loses HP so you need to fix part and replace for the car to run like new... So not only do they need to focus alot on raceing and modding but the whole used car deal needs alot of work to make it realistic, and haveing things actually effect it... Well i'll post more when I think of more ideas but I hoep you all know where im getting at, but plain and simple the used cars in GT2 were great but at the same time it deff needs a huge overhaul....
 
I simply suggest the game lets you buy every used car in the game new once you get to 100%.

That would solve the only issue I have with the used cars plus give you a nice reward at the end.
 
If GT wanted to be fancy with race machines, you can opt to take in race car orders. So that means if you want a used New Beetle Cup Car, you can inquire for some. Or maybe in an old thread, you may want to auction for them. My "GT4...Auction?" thread talked about my ideas for an auction, like America's best auctions, the Barrett-Jackson auctions. If there are cars that you have to win races or complete challenges to earn, then you may have a chance to get used race cars that are otherwise not available in the game to own. Now if it is one thing I do NOT want to happen, is to have cars that are in the game, but are so rare. I know the Used Car lot is full of surprises, but let's have a fair chance at owning machines. Like in Gran Turismo 2, I could never get the Datsun 240Z. And I test drove the Toyota 2000GT only ONCE. Put on the racing mod and all. And as you know, I think the 2000GT is possibly Japan's most beautiful car of all-time other than the 240Z and the S15 Silvia. Cars should be available, but not rare. We are racers, not treasure hunters.

So if you find the car of your dreams, you can race Tokyo R246 with your pride and joy. Why Tokyo? You ask me, but I consider this a hi-speed course, even for a street course.
 
As an update to this topic I released last month, this thread was about how buying Used Cars should be like. As posted in the thread "Gran Turismo Resorts," apparentely, there will be a secondhand car lot full of used cars. Rport made a good point earlier about designating which cars to which categories. Seems like the secondhand car lots are pretty much confirmed for GT4. So if you didn't get a chance to talk about what you think buying used cars should be like, or if you want to comment on my update, speak now or forever hold your peace... I mean, reply now! (drinking soda)
 
The used car feature was great, and I’m happy to see it come back,,,

I hope in this installment in the GT series we get the chance to test the car on a Dyno

(that is if the Dyno feature is actually included) before you buy the car,,,
 
You reckon we'll be able to repaint everything? I get the feeling we'll still get screwed on at least racing model prize cars.
 
There should also be different levels of "old and busted" with cars that have more miles being cheaper, but possibly use more oil or maybe require more spending between races. The lower milage stuff being more spendy but in better condition.
 
I like your ideas, john, the're well thought out. i know this is unlikely, but wouldn't it be cool if there was a real "lot", such as a 3d parking lot that we could look at all the cars we're buying at once, instead of looking at each and every one, then considering a buy?
 
John made a topic about that a while ago, I think it was called presentation considerations or something, but there was plenty f ideas like yours mentioned.
 
one of the best things in GT and GT 2 was to search for a good used car.
and you had a big choice of cars you could start the game over and over, every time with another old gem.:D
the lack of used cars in GT 3 was a major letdown, aside from the AI that is.
 
I just want my real-life car, an '89 Integra LS to be in.

I think a neat feature would be to have all the used cars have random oil conditions. For instance a '91 Nissan March may be full of clean oil when you buy it, while a '93 Mazda Protege may be nearly empty with dirty oil.
 
lots of good info and ideals in this thread. Personally I think a mixed or mixed used car lots would be more interesting. Perhaps a lot for $1,000 - $5,000; $5,000 - $10,000; $10,000 to $20,000 etc. Finding rare cars was definatly and interesting side feature to racing and tuning cars. I do hope they keep the tune up shop seprate from the dealerships, just makes it much much easier especially with the large number and variety of vehicles that we will have. As far as the milage and oil etc. unless there are other parts to worry about, milage and oil would not play that big of a factor in me choosing a used car. I would really love to see a online used car lot, I know that they are going to have some type of flea market but what exactly it will be who knows. Anyway I think it would be great to have a global online used car lot where you can sale and buy other players cars. You sale the car and all parts and current settings stay with it. The selling value will depend on differnt factors. Maybe even they could have some type of market system where the value would depend on how many of that type of car the used car lot allready has in stock.
At the very least I think that GT4 will allow players to trade ( sell and buy ) cars from each other. We need better methods to sort our personal garage on the memory card, GT3 had some but you could not save the sorted list. I think that GT5 or at least GT6 should have all the car lots online and limited number of cars produced each month for all the users worldwide and very limited numbers of special vehicles ( lol ). Anyway I know, I typed a lot of stuff, keep the ideals flowing.
 
Greenlightning, welcome to GTPlanet, and thank you for your input! As you noticed, I actually digged this topic up from the grave. And that Presentation topic? I'll bring it back up so you can see some of the ideas I posted. Alright? But thanks for the input.
 
Well. Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum for a while but almost never post. Sorry if someone else already mention something like this idea.

I think it will be cool if GT4 have online auction. So in this sense, new model can also be a used car if someone buy it new and want to sell it for in game money. So pretty much any car can be a used car. You can buy only a newer model cars as new car and you have to win the classic cars from races to consider it new. So there are 2 ways to get a brand new classic cars, win it or buy the one with no miles online. I think this will add a collector feel to the game.

What do you think?
 
lol how about this:

A first person shooter - style interface at the dealerships... you walk around, look at all the cars on the lot...

In the 'new' lot, you can go in the showroom to see an example of the cars available and look at the brochures (specs & pictures). You can also special order your car here with the options you want (basically, any car you want from that make, with any color & transmission option available.) If you do this, it takes some time for the veh. to arrive at the dealer so you can buy it. Or instead, you can go outside, and walk around the lot. Rows and rows of cars, brand new, in different colors and with different transmissions. if you find the one you want, buy it... if not, order it.

The used lot would be the same, only with less options, you can't order a car, and the salesperson is dressed with worse taste.
 
After seeing footage of the Mercedes Touring car based on the old 190E i think it is, im really hoping for its arch rival to be in, the E30 ///M3. Would be really cool lineup with Alfa 155, Mercedes 190E, BMW E30 M3.
 
How about this:

A first person shooter style interface where you go around inspecting the cars you'd like to purchase before shooting the salesperson in the knee, grabbing the keys and stealing the car.

I'm a minimalist, I'll take the text version.
 
I think a top-down view from my "Menu and Presentation Considerations" thread woud work. You navigate with the D-pad or left Analog, then pick a car.

To me, you can go with a PGR2-style showroom, but I think a top-down seems cooler. I mean, you don't know what to look for untill you actually come across something cool. I even mentioned strange circumstances whereas you are searching for cars, but as you go around "town," you spot buried treasure. Maybe a beautiful red and white Corvette from 1963 (sure to impress muscle car fans, if not a Mustang Mach 1). But that's if you want to play around with the navigation.
 
Wasn't there another game that did a similar top down thing? One of the original Ridge Racers, Revolution maybe?
 

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