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From Wired, originally from Car Magazine:

With gas prices going through the roof and regulators requiring cars to be ever more miserly, Volkswagen is bringing new meaning to the term "fuel efficiency" with a bullet-shaped microcar that gets a stunning 282 (235 US) mpg.

Volkswagen's had its super-thrifty One-Liter Car concept vehicle -- so named because that's how much fuel it needs to go 100 kilometers -- stashed away for six years. The body's made of carbon fiber to minimize weight (the entire car weighs just 660 pounds) and company execs didn't expect the material to become cheap enough to produce the car until 2012.

But VW's decided to build the car two years ahead of schedule.

According to Britain's Car magazine, VW has approved a plan to build a limited number of One-Liters in 2010. They'll probably be built in the company's prototype shop, which has the capacity to build as many as 1,000 per year. That's not a lot, but it's enough to help VW get a lot of attention while showing how much light weight and an efficient engine can achieve.

VW unveiled the slick two-seater concept six years ago at a stockholder's meeting in Hamburg. To prove it was a real car, Chairman Ferdinand Piech personally drove it from Wolfsburg to Hamburg. At the time, he said the car could see production when the cost of its carbon monocoque dropped from 35,000 Euros (about $55,000) to 5,000 Euros (about $8,000) -- something he figured would happen in 2012. With carbon fiber being used in everything from airliners to laptops these days, VW's apparently decided the cost is competitive enough to build at least a few hundred One-Liters.

VW's engineers -- who spent three years developing the car -- made extensive use of magnesium, titanium and aluminum to bring it in at less than one-third the weight of a Toyota Echo. According to Canadian Driver, the front suspension assembly weighs just 18 pounds. The six-speed transmission features a magnesium case, titanium bolts and hollow gears; it weighs a tad more than 50 pounds. The 16-inch wheels are carbon fiber. The magnesium steering wheel weighs a little more than a pound. How much of the concept car's exotic hardware makes it to the production model remains to be seen.

Low weight only gets you so far in the quest for ultimate fuel economy; aerodynamics plays a big role. The One-Liter is long and low, coming in at 11.4 feet long, 4.1 feet wide and 3.3 feet tall. It features an aircraft-like canopy, flat wheel covers and a belly pan to smooth the airflow under the car. The engine cooling vents open only when needed, and video cameras take the place of mirrors. The passenger sits behind the driver to keep the car narrow. The car has a coefficient of drag of 0.16; the average car comes in around 0.30 and the Honda Insight had a Cd of 0.25.

As for the engine, the concept had a one-cylinder diesel engine producing 8.5 horsepower and 13.5 foot-pounds of torque. Car says the production model will use a two-cylinder turbodiesel for a little more oomph. Doubling the number of cylinders is sure to cut fuel economy, so VW may install a diesel-hybrid drivetrain. The engine turns off at stop lights to save fuel, then automatically restarts when the driver depresses the accelerator pedal.

(Update: The car reportedly has anti-lock brakes, stability control and airbags. According to Canadian Driver, "Volkswagen says the One-Liter Car is as safe as a GT sports car registered for racing. With the aid of computer crash simulations, the car was designed with built-in crash tubes, pressure sensors for airbag control and front crumple zones.")

What's it gonna cost? Car quotes "one well-placed insider" who says the One-Liter could have a sticker price of anywhere from 20,000 to 30,000 Euros (about $31,750 to $47,622). That's a lot of money. But then, the One-Liter, despite its diminutive size, is a lot of car.

Note/Update: Turns out the 282 mpg figure refers to Imperial gallons; the proper figure when converted to U.S. gallons is 235 mpg.

WIRED

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Fantastic news as far as I'm concerned. Even despite the price (for UK people that's from around £16k to around £24k) it's great that VW are going ahead and producing something so radically different to any other mainstream manufacturer. And if it's nearer the lower end of that price spectrum there might be a bit of a rush to buy one too, or even a push for higher production runs.

People's thoughts?
 
It's cool to see a manufacturer doing such things when it comes to mpg numbers, but seeing the price and how practical this thing is... No thanks. How much room is there for passengers anyway? Even if it's a 2-seater, I can't see it being practical... :indiff:
 
It doesnt' even look like it'll handle reasonably well. I mean, it's a neat little car...and I'd take one over a Prius, simply because I hate hybrids, like being alone, and the inside view is kinda like a fighter's cockpit, but it's just a little too...little. as in small.
 
It doesn't look good. They should send it over to Seat. The windshield wiper will have a good time with that curved windshield.
 
I wonder how this thing would do with the 2.0T engine.

I like it. I don't know if I'd take one over an R32, but it should do well with the greenies here in Seattle. I wonder how long until it pays for itself in gas savings.

Like the Prius and Insight, I think it'll be more of a statement car for a few people before becoming mainstream as more people jump on the bandwagon. It'll probably be a while before we see any here too.
 
I know aerodynamics is a big thing for efficiency but they could have tried to make it a little more conventional in appearence. It just says... odd.
 
I remember there was an international contest for a car that met such requirements. It was listed in an article of a past Popular Science issue, to commit to a production car that gets 100-250mpg that could fare reasonably well in the marketplace.

I don't know if this car is an entry or the culminating effort, but it certainly looks like it could conform to those rules. This could keep the gasoline engine alive...
 
Interesting comments above, though I get this overriding impression that everyone thinks we'll be driving traditionally shaped cars (sedans, coupes, hatchbacks) for ever and ever and that just because something looks different it's doomed to failure. If anything will kill the 1-litre it'll probably be price.

I do get the feeling sometimes that I'm in a minority when it comes to looking forward to what car makers will have to do to increase efficiency, and I'll genuinely welcome innovative designs like the 1-litre, the Aptera, Jetcar2.5, the Loremo etc.

I like it. I don't know if I'd take one over an R32, but it should do well with the greenies here in Seattle. I wonder how long until it pays for itself in gas savings.

Like the Prius and Insight, I think it'll be more of a statement car for a few people before becoming mainstream as more people jump on the bandwagon. It'll probably be a while before we see any here too.

Nice to see someone who likes it :D I wouldn't be so sure that it'll be a statement car like the Prius was. I don't even think the Insight is a statement car. Both the Insight and to a greater extent the 1-litre are too compromised for people sitting on the fence. The Prius isn't a big leap of faith because it's still very much car shaped, seats five and has decent luggage space. Because of this it's also nowhere near the efficiency of the Insight and miles off the 1-litre.

I think the people who'd buy the 1-litre will be genuinely interested in the economy, the technology and the radical design.

With complete honesty if I had the money and the deposit books were open I would put my name down on the waiting list.

A few more pictures for those interested:

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You know, If I wasnt' afraid i'd get run over, I'd get one. I love that cockpit view...Feel like I'm flying a jet fighter...at really, really low level...really slowly...

I just wish there was a sports version. It reminds me of the old Messerschmitt cars.
 
Umm... I swear I've seen this car years ago in Popular Science or one of those magazines.
 
I like it too. It doesn't look too bad to me. Of course, any car of that design will look odd, but VW have done a good job.

Shame about the price...
 
I'm speechless.

Just like the Tata Nano, this is a completely new paradigm, and I'll have to digest it before I form an opinion.

How big is the engine? For that matter, where is it?
 
How big is the engine? For that matter, where is it?

It has to be very very small to get 8.5 HP from a one cylinder turbodiesel. The production version will have 2 cylinders. I would guess there is plenty of space to put the engine in the front.
 
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I do get the feeling sometimes that I'm in a minority when it comes to looking forward to what car makers will have to do to increase efficiency, and I'll genuinely welcome innovative designs like the 1-litre, the Aptera, Jetcar2.5, the Loremo etc.

When you consider how attractive power is, efficiency can really be put on the back burner. Truth is, the designs we see now probably aren't what we'll be seeing down the road. Look at some of the wacky stuff that came out in any decade, and none really turned out to be the future of the car. Where we are going in terms of efficiency is hard to pinpoint. I'd say that efficiency is more cutting-edge technology than power is, so it's harder to predict.

Nice to see someone who likes it :D

As a VW fan, I think I have to like it. (lol) It's also a departure from the hybrid nonsense that is driving me crazy. Good to see people are thinking of different ways to get efficiency without throwing the driving experience out the window.

I wouldn't be so sure that it'll be a statement car like the Prius was. I don't even think the Insight is a statement car. Both the Insight and to a greater extent the 1-litre are too compromised for people sitting on the fence. The Prius isn't a big leap of faith because it's still very much car shaped, seats five and has decent luggage space. Because of this it's also nowhere near the efficiency of the Insight and miles off the 1-litre.

I think the people who'd buy the 1-litre will be genuinely interested in the economy, the technology and the radical design.

Priced where it is, I don't see anybody buying it who isn't trying to me "showy" or whatever. People who buy cars in the $30k to $45k range have enough money to own a car that gets high 20s or low 30s in gas mileage. It simply isn't economical enough for somebody who doesn't want it as a "toy" or a statement or whatever. The Prius and Insight were both "Hey look at me, I'm doing my part to save the environment" cars until the gas crisis and now they're just "Imma go save money on gas and act like an Earth Muffin" car.

Umm... I swear I've seen this car years ago in Popular Science or one of those magazines.

This is simply an announcement that they will be building the car. It was out years ago as a concept they were thinking of bringing into production sometime.

G.T
I like it too. It doesn't look too bad to me. Of course, any car of that design will look odd, but VW have done a good job.

It's also a VW. You can expect it to be a ways outside of mainstream. VW is probably the only company tht can consistently build "different" cars and get away with it. And that's something that VW fans like.
 
I'd buy it, once the price comes down to a particular decent level to which a uni student could afford >.>
 
That’s exactly the same press release photo they used 6 years ago – new photos, por favor!

(BTW, I’m surprised at how many of you never knew this car existed. :p)
 
If they could sell this here for around $30K, they'll sell every one they send over.
 
That is incredibly cool. Big thumbs up to Veedub for making such a cool and interesting vehicle!
 
Yes, all of the above pictures belong to the concept that was released in 2002. VW wanted to demonstrate that a car using less than 1 litre of fuel on 100 km (235+ mpg) is possible. At the time people were astonished, but on the market noone cared much, because fuel obviously wasn't expensive enough. Today however, ... :crazy:

This is what the car might look like when it's re-released:

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Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/volkswagen/vw-boss-confirms-1-liter-car-for-2010/
 
Umm... I swear I've seen this car years ago in Popular Science or one of those magazines.

You have, it's just now been announced for release 👍

How big is the engine? For that matter, where is it?

The concept is a 299cc non-turbo single cylinder diesel, with 8.5bhp. 30 seconds to 50mph so not quick, and 75mph top speed according to original figures. Expect the production one to have a twin cylinder turbodiesel for more power, torque and refinement.

Yes, all of the above pictures belong to the concept that was released in 2002. VW wanted to demonstrate that a car using less than 1 litre of fuel on 100 km (235+ mpg) is possible. At the time people were astonished, but on the market noone cared much, because fuel obviously wasn't expensive enough. Today however, ... :crazy:

Thanks for the pic Interceptor, I'd not actually seen that render before 👍 Definitely looks more production ready than the concept and less of an acquired taste. That said I'd like to see the rear wheels covered though, it's a well-proven aerodynamic advantage.
 
The production image of the car looks much less bland than the Popular Science image of the car. The blue one quite clearly adopts some styling cues from the upcoming smaller Bug, so it doesn't seem like it's trying to be something it's not (big).

After seeing that image, it suddenly becomes a real car, and a Volkswagen (with a silhouette similar to a New Beetle limousine, oddly ehogh...), and I want it!

Also, it's cool to see that the concept's engine isn't something completely ludicrous, so a feasible production version won't be incredibly worse (even a dismal 125mpg would do, I suppose). And yes, an R20 (get it?) version of this car would simply own.
 
An R20 would be a HUGE engine in that car. (If it's a 2.0l engine) That's literally an Atom Smasher you're suggesting.

I'd think an R10 (1.0L, perhaps sportbike-type engine) would be a little more feasible.

Again, It's nice to see that the lawnmower engine would be dropped for a production version...now only if they'd offer a 1000CC Inline four, a widened track, and enough grip to stick when an Atom goes flying off, that'd be cool.
 
The production image of the car looks much less bland than the Popular Science image of the car. The blue one quite clearly adopts some styling cues from the upcoming smaller Bug, so it doesn't seem like it's trying to be something it's not (big).

By the Popular Science image are you referring to the black car (for which the images are actually VW's own press photos)? The black car is the genuine article, the one VW produced in 2002 to showcase the concept. The blue one is just the render.

Granted, the blue render looks more interesting but then we're six years down the line and VW's design philosophy has changed quite a bit. Whoever did the render clearly took the basic architecture of the 1-litre and added design cues/wheels etc from the VW Up! concepts.

I'm purely guessing here, but I'd expect the final production car to have more of the shape of the original 1-litre, but with more passenger space and more of a modern VW feel and design, such as in the blue render. It'll probably be heavier and almost certainly less economical than the concept too due to the planned engine.
 
A production version of the 1-Litre Concept versus that of the Up! Concept ends up being a decision based upon practicality. While the 1-Litre car certainly would do well for people (like me) who generally drive alone and do a fair bit of city driving, the Up! will end up being something that will be well-received with the majority of the driving public.

If the rumors are true that we're getting a Beetle-styled Up! model, I'd say that would regulate the 1-Litre to the other side of the Atlantic... Permanently.
 
A production version of the 1-Litre Concept versus that of the Up! Concept ends up being a decision based upon practicality. While the 1-Litre car certainly would do well for people (like me) who generally drive alone and do a fair bit of city driving, the Up! will end up being something that will be well-received with the majority of the driving public.

If the rumors are true that we're getting a Beetle-styled Up! model, I'd say that would regulate the 1-Litre to the other side of the Atlantic... Permanently.

Quoted for truth. Doesn't bother me though as I'm on the right side of the Atlantic to be offered the car :D If VW did produce a Beetle-styled Up! that might even be enough to tempt me away from the 1-litre, though it would certainly be a hard position. My aim is to be financially in a position for it to matter by the time both are released...
 
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