VOTE: Semi-Final #2 Best Looking 1970s F1 Car

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Which of these two Formula One cars is better looking?


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1975 Brabham BT44B vs 1976-1978 Ferrari 312T2

Brabham BT44B

Engine: 3.0L Ford-Cosworth V8
Drivers: Carlos Pace, Carlos Reutemann


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1976-1978 Ferrari 312T2

Engine: 3.0L Ferrari flat-12
Noted Drivers: Niki Lauda, Clay Regazzoni, Carlos Reutemann


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The BT44B has a clean and simple shape with an elegant livery (by most estimates). It was a successful design, but not in the same class as the M23 and 312T. Its front radiators were a definite anachronism.

The 312T had an eccentric shape partly legislated by evolving air box regulations, and partly by evolving aerodynamics constrained by the wide flat 12 engine in use since 1970. With the advent of underbody aerodynamics, the boxer engine becomes a handicap. I think it might have been the last Ferrari with no FIAT decal on the car. The greatest strength of this car was its driver/engineer combo and reliability.
 
The airbox on the Brabham is awful. It's more reminiscent of the teapot Ligier and in general, at first glance this car looks no different to a Surtees. I'm just not a fan of that 70s look where the front end looks like a complete sculpted unit rather than having a distinct, separate wing. A couple of the BRMs and Marches of the time also had this same look.

In comparison, I think the Ferrari looks geometrically fantastic. Lovely deltoid pockets on the front of the cockpit.
 
I'm just not a fan of that 70s look where the front end looks like a complete sculpted unit rather than having a distinct, separate wing. A couple of the BRMs and Marches of the time also had this same look.

Tyrrell also ran a sports car nose for a time. It worked for Stewart.

But yes, ALL those cars of the seventies were transitory in shape and livery.

The main thing that DIDN'T change during the seventies were the Cosworth engine and Hewland transaxle which were the economic basis of the kit-car era, '67-'82. :bowdown:
 
I think the BT44 is one of the most distinctive shapes and livery combos in F1. The 'radiators intakes in the front' wing was obviously a dead end design-wise, but it produced some interesting looking machines.

Interestingly, both the wing mirror designs on these cars were off the self units that you can still readily buy today. Wonder when was the last time you could buy a part used in contemporary F1 off ebay?
 
Interestingly, both the wing mirror designs on these cars were off the shelf units that you can still readily buy today. Wonder when was the last time you could buy a part used in contemporary F1 off ebay?

The Tauranac designed BT19 also made major use of proprietary (Alford and Adler) parts - the front spindles and uprights were common to the humble Triumph Herald.

1964 Triumph Herald 1200 Saloon
 
I kind of wished the full-width noses lasted longer than the era between 1973-76, but the smaller frontal area was the way to go once the 312T3 and M23 ruled the roost.

I'll give a nod to the Brabham. I always thought the triangular cross-section (at the side pods) was unique without looking ridiculous.
 
Other drivers of the BT44B:
Emilio de Villota
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Bob Evans

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Loris Kessel

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Lella Lombardi

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Damien Magee & Patrick Neve

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Jac Nelleman

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Rolf Stommelen

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That high airbox on the Brabham is just so right in side profile...
Amazed that the Ferrari that made it to the Semi's wasn't the 312T3 with a dash of Villeneuve giving it an armful of Opposite lock.
 
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Amazed that the Ferrari that made it to the Semi's wasn't the 312T3 with a dash of Villeneuve giving it an armful of Opposite lock.

If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm fairly certain that Gilles drove the T2 in early 1978.
 
The Brabham's livery suit the lines of the car perfectly. It's very stylish. The Ferrari is a meh 70s F1 blob.
 
They're both hideous to me.

These two won the nomination phase over the likes of the 312B and BT33? Really? I suppose I must have a different aesthetic preference than most.
 
The Brabham looks more like a Formula 5000 car than a Formula One car. I do enjoy the ridiculous gulf in size between the front and rear wheels though. So 70s.
 
After giving it much thought, i'm actually quite torn between both of these cars (unlike the fugly Lotus 72E and the lovely 79). Love the airbox and the whole delta thing going on with the Brabham, but the Ferrari is quite deltary too. My only gripe is @Liquid decided to post the ugly version of it (imo), with those hideous huge (though arguably more efficient) naca ducts on the cockpit. Much prefer the smaller ones.

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Assuming these excellent polls (thank you) continue to include the most recent decades, do you plan to have a super-final to run off the all-time best looking? Would that poll be restricted to previous decadal winners, or would it be thrown wide open?

In hindsight, if you had it to start off all over again, would you do anything different? Frankly, there has been little enough discussion about shape and livery, and more than a little about sound, the drivers and occasionally the efficiency & fitness for purpose that I've been so irritatingly prattling about.

One possible improvement would be to present photos of the cars without drivers so the voters would be less prejudiced about their favorite driver in the picture.

Another possible improvement would be more discussion of the criteria for good looking. So far it's only shape and livery. Does "shape" include "size", "scale", "dimensions", "sound" and "driver's helmet"? Does "livery" include the helmet design and colors?

A question exists in my mind about rebuttal, there currently being no debate or aesthetic criticism allowed and all subjective subjective opinion counted as always exactly equal.

Finally, there has been so much rapid evolution and rule changes with so many wildly different F1 cars that I would be tempted to divide the decades in two and judge by 5 year periods.
 
Assuming these excellent polls (thank you) continue to include the most recent decades, do you plan to have a super-final to run off the all-time best looking? Would that poll be restricted to previous decadal winners, or would it be thrown wide open?

There will be a final poll amongst all decade winners once this is over.

One possible improvement would be to present photos of the cars without drivers so the voters would be less prejudiced about their favorite driver in the picture.

As I said in the Lotus thread, I try to find period images for a specific reason; having the car as it was during the time period as opposed to any changes to the livery that may have happened over time as a historic racer. Finding a good quality, period image of the car without a driver that accentuates and presents the cars well is difficult. Other times, as with this Ferrari 312, an image may well be of two drivers. There's Lauda and Regazzoni.

Another possible improvement would be more discussion of the criteria for good looking. So far it's only shape and livery. Does "shape" include "size", "scale", "dimensions", "sound" and "driver's helmet"? Does "livery" include the helmet design and colors?

A question exists in my mind about rebuttal, there currently being no debate or aesthetic criticism allowed and all subjective subjective opinion counted as always exactly equal.

As I have said in every nomination thread:

"If possible, please give some justification or reasoning for your nominations.
You can choose based on livery, body shape or a combination of the two. It's up to you."

The key point bolded. You can nominate a car as a best looker for whatever reason suits you. In that regard, no reason is prohibited but that doesn't mean that other people have to agree with you. That is the nature of a fair debate; people will call you out and tell you if they have a different opinion and you are free to do the same (and have done so). That is where the interesting conversation begins.

Seeing as this is an important topic to you, and I'm interested in it as well, perhaps when all this is done you could start a thread on general aesthetic discussion?

In hindsight, if you had it to start off all over again, would you do anything different? Frankly, there has been little enough discussion about shape and livery, and more than a little about sound, the drivers and occasionally the efficiency & fitness for purpose that I've been so irritatingly prattling about.

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Finally, there has been so much rapid evolution and rule changes with so many wildly different F1 cars that I would be tempted to divide the decades in two and judge by 5 year periods.

Partly, yes. If I had the patience I would have liked to have done this by regulation era but that could take over 6 months because each cycle takes three weeks from nominations to the final. This 1950s-2000s alone is going to take 18 weeks in total.

On the other hand I'm satisfied to do it by decade because the overlapping regulations and different styles means there is diversity in nominations and preferences and this forces people to choose.
 
In the battle of the big tyres, it's the Brabham which advances through to the finals. Thanks for voting. 👍
 
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