Want to get the X1 but....

[Speedster911]

So it looks like I've saved nearly enough to pick up an X1 + Forza this weekend...

However, I'm still on the fence because:

* Should I wait to see how FM6 turns out before investing long-term in the X1?
* What if the PS4 PCARS version turns out to be better than the X1 version?
* What if all future multi-plat games turn out to be better on the PS4?
* If I do get a PS4 instead, I'd be missing out on Forza, and I don't think I'm ready for that just yet...

I'd love to hear some insights from you X1 + Forza owners. PS4 owners are more than welcome to leave their feedback as well!

Bring it on fellas!

 

[Terronium-12]

I own both and enjoy both. I'm too old for nonsensical allegiances (not that anyone has brought allegiances up).

Get whichever one is more appealing to you at the onset and then pick up the other down the line.

 

[Luminis]

Neither a PS4 nor Xbox owner here, so sorry for that in advance. A fellow fan of the Forza franchise, though...

Personally, I'd wait for FM6. FM5 didn't get the same critical acclaim its predecessors did... Granted, I haven't been around the Forza boards on GTP ever since I gave my 360 (and, thus, FM4 and Horizon) away, so I don't know how people on here think about the game. Having a better idea of where the franchise is going by knowing FM6 might not be a bad idea. It's basically what I'm doing for both the XB1 and the PS4, or FM6 and GT7, respectively. That's another upside of waiting. Knowing whether GT7 might turn out to be a valid alternative to FM5/6 might sway your opinion about which console to get.

As for the multiplatform titles, I personally doubt that the differences will be huge. The hardware on both consoles is pretty similar and I have a feeling a lot of companies won't put in the extra work to get a little more oomph out of the PS4. That said, I'd base my decision to buy a console on the exclusives, either way.

 

[Daniel]

@Terronium-12's lying. He has a Destiny machine and nothing else.

Most games will perform better on the PS4. But unless you have a billion-inch TV you won't be able to see much of a difference (which is usually 1080p/900p or 900p/720p). Forza 6 is no doubt going to be a great game (apart from the lack of tracks, FM5 is a great game; Horizon 2's insanely good). I'd say go for the Xbox One, but after pCARS comes out so you can find out it runs on both platforms.

 

[Speedster911]

Neither a PS4 nor Xbox owner here, so sorry for that in advance. A fellow fan of the Forza franchise, though...

Personally, I'd wait for FM6. FM5 didn't get the same critical acclaim its predecessors did... Granted, I haven't been around the Forza boards on GTP ever since I gave my 360 (and, thus, FM4 and Horizon) away, so I don't know how people on here think about the game. Having a better idea of where the franchise is going by knowing FM6 might not be a bad idea. It's basically what I'm doing for both the XB1 and the PS4, or FM6 and GT7, respectively. That's another upside of waiting. Knowing whether GT7 might turn out to be a valid alternative to FM5/6 might sway your opinion about which console to get.

As for the multiplatform titles, I personally doubt that the differences will be huge. The hardware on both consoles is pretty similar and I have a feeling a lot of companies won't put in the extra work to get a little more oomph out of the PS4. That said, I'd base my decision to buy a console on the exclusives, either way.

"Having a better idea of where the franchise is going by knowing FM6 might not be a bad idea. It's basically what I'm doing for both the XB1 and the PS4, or FM6 and GT7, respectively. That's another upside of waiting. Knowing whether GT7 might turn out to be a valid alternative to FM5/6 might sway your opinion about which console to get."

^^ This! 👍


"That said, I'd base my decision to buy a console on the exclusives, either way"

^^ And this! 👍

Though why wouldn't companies get more oomph out of the PS4? It's more code/programmer friendly this time around.

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm properly sick of Destiny at this point, @Daniel. It's just... no.

If you're after more of an opinion than the straight-to-the-point bit I gave earlier: if you're looking at Forza 5 with starry eyes - don't. All of the talk about being built from the ground up yet many of the bugs that have persisted since the original still exist. The lighting, while incredibly impressive for a launch title, will become less so in a short time mainly because of the "LOL, god rays".

If you've followed the series from the beginning like I have, then FM5 is an all-around lackluster title, launch title or not. And don't even get me started on the DLC. I will, however, concede that Horizon 2 is fantastic and well worth your attention. If you get the One first you should definitely pick up Dead Rising 3 as well at some point.

 

[Luminis]

Though why wouldn't companies get more oomph out of the PS4? It's more code/programmer friendly this time around.

Just an assumption on my part, but my impression is that most third party developers will just develop their game to the lowest common denominator. Pouring in more work to make the PS4 version look slightly better due to slightly better hardware is unlikely to make their game sell much better, I'd think. Putting more work into a game whtout getting more out of it, just for the sake of making a better game, that's so 1990s! Can't see many developers working like that, these days

Granted, I'm a bit cynical towards the gaming industry, or rather, the bigger companies around.

If you've followed the series from the beginning like I have, then FM5 is an all-around lackluster title, launch title or not.

Seems like my impression wasn't that far off the mark

 

[Speedster911]

I'm properly sick of Destiny at this point, @Daniel. It's just... no.

If you're after more of an opinion than the straight-to-the-point bit I gave earlier: if you're looking at Forza 5 with starry eyes - don't. All of the talk about being built from the ground up yet many of the bugs that have persisted since the original still exist. The lighting, while incredibly impressive for a launch title, will become less so in a short time mainly because of the "LOL, god rays".

If you've followed the series from the beginning like I have, then FM5 is an all-around lackluster title, launch title or not. And don't even get me started on the DLC. I will, however, concede that Horizon 2 is fantastic and well worth your attention. If you get the One first you should definitely pick up Dead Rising 3 as well at some point.

I've seen plenty of FM5 videos up til this point, and honestly they haven't left me in awe the way I felt when seeing the FM2-3 transition and the FM3-4 transition <--- this one was probably the best.

Horizon 2 on the other hand, seems like a very compelling reason to get the X1.

If they don't finally resolve the bugs in FM6 or what fans have been requesting to bring back, I'm probably giving up on X1 + Forza altogether. To this day, IMO, FM4's content is rich enough to keep any car enthusiast or motor sport nut happy.

I don't understand why they can't get the lighting right. Maybe they want to stick to the CGI look.

Just an assumption on my part, but my impression is that most third party developers will just develop their game to the lowest common denominator. Pouring in more work to make the PS4 version look slightly better due to slightly better hardware is unlikely to make their game sell much better, I'd think. Putting more work into a game whtout getting more out of it, just for the sake of making a better game, that's so 1990s! Can't see many developers working like that, these days

Granted, I'm a bit cynical towards the gaming industry, or rather, the bigger companies around.

Seems like my impression wasn't that far off the mark

Shouldn't it be the other way around? I.e. the PS4 version getting all the bells and whistles while the X One version getting slightly (only slightly) toned down to keep the frames consistent?

Because from what I understand, this generation the same game on PC and PS4 will almost be like distant cousins, while the X One takes a back seat.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

F4 was one of the best in the series

I'm properly sick of Destiny at this point, @Daniel. It's just... no.

If you're after more of an opinion than the straight-to-the-point bit I gave earlier: if you're looking at Forza 5 with starry eyes - don't. All of the talk about being built from the ground up yet many of the bugs that have persisted since the original still exist. The lighting, while incredibly impressive for a launch title, will become less so in a short time mainly because of the "LOL, god rays".

If you've followed the series from the beginning like I have, then FM5 is an all-around lackluster title, launch title or not. And don't even get me started on the DLC. I will, however, concede that Horizon 2 is fantastic and well worth your attention. If you get the One first you should definitely pick up Dead Rising 3 as well at some point.

I agree with this reply. F5 was and still is a massive disappointment as a Forza fan. I am so glad that I never bought it at launch and that it came free with my X1. It is indeed stunning graphically but the lack of content gets old quick. I get bored extremely fast of F5 which is something that has never happened to me playing the Forza series.

If you want an incredible Forza title I would recommend Horizon 2. Granted it is not the sim of Forza but it is insanely FUN. Plus it has weather, night day cycle, offroad, along with many other features to add a lot of gameplay.

Forza 4 remains one of my favorite sim Forza games, however, Horizon 2 has many of the features we have asked for and much more. I am expecting F6 to be a huge improvement over F5 by a longshot. Hopefully more info will come soon.

 

[Luminis]

Shouldn't it be the other way around? I.e. the PS4 version getting all the bells and whistles while the X One version getting slightly (only slightly) toned down to keep the frames consistent?

Because from what I understand, this generation the same game on PC and PS4 will almost be like distant cousins, while the X One takes a back seat.

Well, you could think of the PS4 and the PC as distant cousins, quite true. That would make the X1 the PS4's slightly more stupid half-brother, though.

AMD's laptop oriented Jaguar APU, a combined CPU/GPU solution, is serving as the core for both systems. The primary differences in terms of hardware are faster RAM in the PS4, slightly higher clock rates for the PS4's APU and the X1 reserving some of its processing power for Kinect. They're still very similar, although the PS4 is more capable. The difference isn't exactly big, especially if you're comparing the difference between the PS4 and the X1 to the difference between the PS4 and a decent midrange PC.

That's why I'm fairly certain developers won't put much effort into specifically creating games that exploit the PS4's advantages. Making multi platform titles look better on the PS4 is going to require more work; whether it's because the X1 version is polished or further until it suits the PS4 or the PS4 version getting downgraded until it runs well on the X1, it's all extra effort that I don't see developers pouring into their games. Not for the small difference it's gonna make compared to a hypothetical PC version, for example.

There might be some games that will look better on the PS4, but I'm willing to bet that the differences are hardly going to get noticed outside of some in-depth tech analysis - which most people won't do. Sure, there's bragging rights (YouTube comment section is always crawling with people to whom that seems important, for example), but if you're that interested in graphics for those rather small difference to matter to you, you'd be spending the ~400 bucks on a GTX980, not a console, either way.

What I'm trying to say is, don't fall for the people who'll tell you that the PS4 is two billion times more powerful than the X1 (and there are some folks on here who would, going by the PS4 / 4K gaming threats), because that's not quite true. Hence why I'd be basing my decision on the software, mostly. Granted, my point of view is somewhat skewed because I already own a gaming PC that's holding up well enough to run console ports with higher graphic settings than the consoles can; I don't know whether not having that options would change things for someone else, but you might want to take my opinion with a pinch of salt, anyway.

All said, I'm currently favouring the PS4 slightly, but my final decision will be based on what FM6 and GT7 will be like. Might be I won't bite at all if neither turns out to be a significant improvement over their predecessors (which would be a damn shame, really).

/edit:
Sorry for rambling on like that, by the way. Got carried away a little

 

[Daniel]

@Speedster911 Sniper Elite 3's actually a good game to show the differences between the Xbox and PS4's graphics. While both consoles maintain a 1080p resolution, the PS4 is closer to 60fps whereas the Xbox One suffers from a few drops. The graphics are also a tad better on the PS4.

 

[Luminis]

See, that's what I mean. Remove the overlay and button prompts and I bet most people couldn't tell which version is which, were they to run side by side...

 

[Speedster911]

Well, you could think of the PS4 and the PC as distant cousins, quite true. That would make the X1 the PS4's slightly more stupid half-brother, though.

AMD's laptop oriented Jaguar APU, a combined CPU/GPU solution, is serving as the core for both systems. The primary differences in terms of hardware are faster RAM in the PS4, slightly higher clock rates for the PS4's APU and the X1 reserving some of its processing power for Kinect. They're still very similar, although the PS4 is more capable. The difference isn't exactly big, especially if you're comparing the difference between the PS4 and the X1 to the difference between the PS4 and a decent midrange PC.

That's why I'm fairly certain developers won't put much effort into specifically creating games that exploit the PS4's advantages. Making multi platform titles look better on the PS4 is going to require more work; whether it's because the X1 version is polished or further until it suits the PS4 or the PS4 version getting downgraded until it runs well on the X1, it's all extra effort that I don't see developers pouring into their games. Not for the small difference it's gonna make compared to a hypothetical PC version, for example.

There might be some games that will look better on the PS4, but I'm willing to bet that the differences are hardly going to get noticed outside of some in-depth tech analysis - which most people won't do. Sure, there's bragging rights (YouTube comment section is always crawling with people to whom that seems important, for example), but if you're that interested in graphics for those rather small difference to matter to you, you'd be spending the ~400 bucks on a GTX980, not a console, either way.

What I'm trying to say is, don't fall for the people who'll tell you that the PS4 is two billion times more powerful than the X1 (and there are some folks on here who would, going by the PS4 / 4K gaming threats), because that's not quite true. Hence why I'd be basing my decision on the software, mostly. Granted, my point of view is somewhat skewed because I already own a gaming PC that's holding up well enough to run console ports with higher graphic settings than the consoles can; I don't know whether not having that options would change things for someone else, but you might want to take my opinion with a pinch of salt, anyway.

All said, I'm currently favouring the PS4 slightly, but my final decision will be based on what FM6 and GT7 will be like. Might be I won't bite at all if neither turns out to be a significant improvement over their predecessors (which would be a damn shame, really).

/edit:
Sorry for rambling on like that, by the way. Got carried away a little

No rambling at all.

I appreciate the in-depth feedback, thanks!

👍

I'm really not a graphics whore, I'm into the exclusives and game collection. If the X1 has better exclusives (according to my tastes) I'll get it. At the moment, getting it just for Horizon 2.. not sure.

However, the PS4 having faster RAM? That's a win!
Slightly higher clock speeds? Win! Cos' my only concern is multi-plat games running at 60 fps on the PS4 as opposed to 30 fps on X1. Now, a frames whore I am! Coming from PC games, I really prefer all games to run at 60 fps, although 30 isn't a game breaker by any means.

Prettier graphics or not, if the PS4 will be running the same games at 60 fps, I might be highly compelled to pick it up. Though it's still a bit early to decide which one to pick.. I need to see the game collection, which isn't really there for either console. I need to see how PCARS turns out on both consoles. And most importantly, I need to see how FM6 and GT7 are going to turn out.

Though it's going to be a long wait, particularly in GT7's case. I don't mind playing the waiting game for a while, but at the same time I'm really anxious to see what current gen consoles are capable of, especially since I now have the moolah to pick one up.

I mean dayem, holding on to my savings until late this year is going to be tough. Here's hoping I don't blow em' away!

@Speedster911 Sniper Elite 3's actually a good game to show the differences between the Xbox and PS4's graphics. While both consoles maintain a 1080p resolution, the PS4 is closer to 60fps whereas the Xbox One suffers from a few drops. The graphics are also a tad better on the PS4.

👍

 

[Luminis]

I mean dayem, holding on to my savings until late this year is going to be tough. Here's hoping I don't blow em' away!

I know that feeling all too well

Regarding the FPS, going by the video @Daniel posted, it seems more like its 40 FPS vs. 50 FPS instead of 30 FPS vs. 60 FPS. Going by hardware alone, I'd pick the PS4 for sure, either way. Let's hope that GT7 will turn out to be awesome, though, so that by buying a PS4 you'll get the best of both worlds 👍

 

[RacerPaul]

Ideally we'd have both consoles eh?

I think that if you have to choose and you're into driving games, it depends which you prefer, Forza or GT

99% of other games will be available on both the X1 and PS4 I should imagine

 

[Pseudopod]

@Terronium-12's lying. He has a Destiny machine and nothing else.

Most games will perform better on the PS4. But unless you have a billion-inch TV you won't be able to see much of a difference (which is usually 1080p/900p or 900p/720p). Forza 6 is no doubt going to be a great game (apart from the lack of tracks, FM5 is a great game; Horizon 2's insanely good). I'd say go for the Xbox One, but after pCARS comes out so you can find out it runs on both platforms.

You don't need a very big TV to notice resolution differences. It depends a lot on how far away you're sitting.

I wouldn't get an Xb1 until I could actually play a game I'm really interested in on it. The hardware will keep getting cheaper, and without anything interesting to play on it, you're really just wasting money. Wait until FM6, unless FM5 (or horizon, or whatever other exclusive) is a game you really want to play right now.

 

[Speedster911]

You don't need a very big TV to notice resolution differences. It depends a lot on how far away you're sitting.

I wouldn't get an Xb1 until I could actually play a game I'm really interested in on it. The hardware will keep getting cheaper, and without anything interesting to play on it, you're really just wasting money. Wait until FM6, unless FM5 (or horizon, or whatever other exclusive) is a game you really want to play right now.

Yeah that sounds like good advice to go with.

And you're right; you do not need a huge screen to spot differences between 1080p and 720p. I myself game on a 40" screen and whether I'm sitting at 5 feet or 10, 1080p is noticeably sharper and cleaner on both games and movies.

 

[Wolfe]

Whether it's 1080p, 720p, or 480p, I can always see the pixels (in games), so I guess I don't understand why sub-1080p resolutions are considered so unacceptable. You're always looking at pixels.

 

[Luminis]

Whether it's 1080p, 720p, or 480p, I can always see the pixels (in games), so I guess I don't understand why sub-1080p resolutions are considered so unacceptable. You're always looking at pixels.

Because it looks prettier... Granted, I'd rather have 720p with 8x MSAA than 1080p without any anti-aliasing, but disregarding a difference in anti-aliasing modes, 1080p just looks quite a bit sharper and less jaggy. It has also been the media standard for a good while by now, with QHD (2560x1440) and UHD (3840x2160) slowly becoming more accessible to the puplic recently, to boot. I guess people are somewhat unwilling to accept sub-1080p now because, well, it's neither new or special or anything.

Also, I highly doubt that you're not going to consider 1080p to be a vastly superior to 480p in a side by side comparison.

 

[Pseudopod]

yes, I too would love to go back to 480p in my video games. it's all just pixels anyway.

actually no, what I really want to do is go back to NES resolution. Imagine the framerates we'd get!

 

[Luminis]

@Pseudopod, your Avatar goes so well with that comment

 

[Speedster911]

yes, I too would love to go back to 480p in my video games. it's all just pixels anyway.

actually no, what I really want to do is go back to NES resolution. Imagine the framerates we'd get!

@Pseudopod, your Avatar goes so well with that comment

It sure does!

 

[Wolfe]

Sorry for agitating your pixel allergies by even off-handedly mentioning "that" resolution, gentlemen. Go take a Benadryl.

Anyway, the point is, 1080p still looks pixellated enough that I don't think a 720p/900p port is a big deal. The whole "resolutiongate" thing just seems to me like an old fashioned dick-measuring contest, along with the broader implication that the XBone is inferior because the PS4 is (x amount) more powerful.

That the two systems are so similar to each other makes it all the more senseless.

 

[Brend]

If it meant developers focusing on gameplay I would be all for it.

yes, I too would love to go back to 480p in my video games. it's all just pixels anyway.

actually no, what I really want to do is go back to NES resolution. Imagine the framerates we'd get!

 

[Luminis]

Sorry for agitating your pixel allergies by even off-handedly mentioning "that" resolution, gentlemen.

It's not about this resolution or that resolution; if you don't mind or care, that's absolutely fine by me. If you consider the whole comparison to be pointless, that's absolutely fine by me as well, considering that I wouldn't base my decision on which console's performing better, either... But c'mon, the XBone and the PS4 are pretty close in terms of what they offer (as you said), close enough that 1080p vs. 720p might actually become a point of consideration. Neither offers much of a unique experience as far as actual gaming experience is concerned, unlike Nintendo's consoles, for example. So what else is there to base a decision on?

Honestly, even Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport are offering a pretty similar experience, despite having some slightly different strengths and weaknesses here and there. Thinking about it, that's not exactly a great sign for the state those consoles are in, is it?

If it meant developers focusing on gameplay I would be all for it.

Developers will focus on what sells. If the players actually cared about good gameplay (whatever that means...), developers would have to focus on it. There's a bunch of games that's all about the gameplay, though, but they're usually smaller titles, not AAA games. Cities: Skyline, Darkest Dungeon, Besiege - that sort of stuff.

 

[Clark]

To give an idea to the OP, I bought Xbone a few months after I got the PS4 at launch. I had good fun on it but now looking to sell it as I get all the multi platform games for PS4 and there's not enough XBone exclusives.

 

[DDastardly00]

To Forza or not, that is the question.

I still haven't bought FM5 and I don't intend to. FH2 is filling that void for me until FM6 is released. Driveclub was a consideration but it wasn't an open world game so I went with Xbox One and Horizon 2 instead. What factored in the most was that I haven't truly enjoyed a Gran Turismo game since GT3. While GT4 was good (and to be fair, I did beat just about every event in the game), it didn't live up to pinnacle of winning that was GT3. Unfortunately GT5 was just ok, and didn't hold my attention very long, maybe 30 days. I haven't played GT6 yet (CAMAROBOY69 told me it's way better than GT5) but I can buy it for my PS3 so I really don't need to buy a PS4 if I want to play it. PS4 might have a few more exclusives but none I really care about outside of No Man's Sky (which I hope is a timed exclusive and eventually comes to the Xbox One)

 

[Wolfe]

...c'mon, the XBone and the PS4 are pretty close in terms of what they offer (as you said), close enough that 1080p vs. 720p might actually become a point of consideration. Neither offers much of a unique experience as far as actual gaming experience is concerned, unlike Nintendo's consoles, for example. So what else is there to base a decision on?

I'll grant that it's a fair point of consideration to those who don't really care about any of the exclusives on either machine. However, I couldn't rationalize someone skipping exclusives they'd like to play in favor of the other console that runs multiplatform games slightly better, like Speedster911's situation here.

And while I personally think both Gran Turismo and Forza are losing their way, there's still quite a bit to distinguish the two. But they could each benefit from a poke in the rear by some competition.

 

[Speedster911]

At the end of the day exclusives are far more important then how many horses each console is cranking out.

1080p or not, I'd much rather play and enjoy a game that uses serious AA coupled with consistent 60 fps. That is important to me.

And devs, come on...it's 2015, new gen is here; 60 fps should be a console industry standard already. Sega and Nintendo were doing this with most of their games back in the 80s and 90s.

 

[Speedster911]

@RacerPaul
@HAL20XX
@TheCrazySwede
@Wolfe
@Scaff
@yabiggoose
@TokoTurismo

Here's the latest:

Getting a non-Kinect deal for $500 which includes FM5 and H2; the FM5 copy is pre-owned. The console's a "PAL" version with all the standard stuff included - controller, cables, power supply.

This may seem like a high price for you folks, however; by the time this stuff gets to SEAsian countries, the prices get jacked.

Considering the 2 games I'm getting with it (and a month's Gold membership for another $6), sounds like a pretty solid deal.

Whatchu fellas think then?