We Want Diversity for GT4 (Don't We?)

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I think we all understand that this is a "Japanese" skewed game because of who produces it. However, I don't think that the market (U.S./Europe being one huge market) wants only Asian cars.

Diversity in available cars can only be a good thing. While I agree that adding Nascar cars is probably too much (also I believe the licence is owned by someone else), but more U.S. cars is almost required. However, I think the F1 cars should go away as well. I always think of GT as street and street modified (and Rally) cars, not F1, Nascar or any other "real" race circuit.

Consider. The U.S., in it's wealthy hugeness, buys ALOT of games. If you want to make a bigger profit, make what the market wants, including the US market. Include all those little rice burners, no problem, great, but add some American rolling iron as well, both classic and modern. I think GT2 did this the best. The mix there was amazing, meeting almost every demand we could want. I got my 71' Dodge Charger, and you got, whatever is is you like, Asian wise.

Honestly, how many Miata's do you really need(5)??? How many Lancers (10)??? How many Skylines (7)???? How many is too many??? 5? 7? 50????? Thats a fun game, 50 Toyota Celicas......

Seems like overkill. Take away a Miata or Lancer or Skyline or Two and add in something else, a better BMW, Mercades, New Ford T-Bird, Dodge Intrepid, Maserati or something!

Clearly, GT3 missed out on alot of good cars, from the US, UK, Germany, Italy and elsewhere. I wont get into the licensing requirements here, but I know they are tough. But many Fans went without and drove what was available, while lamenting the loss (or non-inclusion) of the favorite cars. Yes, GT3 still rocked, but it could have been better.

I just hope the designers take this into consideration for GT4. There are alot of good cars out there (old and new) that many of would love to use in GT4. Here's hoping they come through!

Blackfish

Bring Back the Muscle! - 60's and 70's US Muscle Cars
 
Yep, the limiting factor is that other companies own the license to use a lot of the cars that were missing from GT3.

I would love some older Race Cars / Muscle Cars. I reckon we could have an 80s Sports Car series and an 80s Race Car series.

Muscle Cars could have their own races as well.

And what about the tanks (Lincoln Continental).

I have not problem with the variety of Miata's etc as long as they are named properly ie I am always checking to see if I have any duplicate Miata's to sell and make space in my garage.

They should also allow you to have more than 200 cars in your garage or allow you to have a second save file where you can save your not used very often cars that you can retrieve when you need to but do not clutter up your main garage.

Some of the early Test Drive games for the PC had a muscle car add on pack that had some nice vehicles in it.

I know that some people want Gran Turismo to concentrate on GT cars but how about some of the hot rods.

I am sure there would be quite a few cars around that would add to the variety in the game and who's license would not be a limiting factor.

These may be the Australian names:

Mazda RX4
Ford Capri (60-70s version)
Ford Cortina
Chrysler Centura (I think I have the name right)
Any of the Chrysler Valiants
Plenty of old Fords, Holdens and Chevs
Ford Escort RS2000 (old version - I think lates 70's or early 80's)
 
I would be seriously surprised if the Japanese players didn't also want to see a more International selection of manufacturers and models also, from all periods of modern motoring history.
 
yea there should be alot of classic cars like from the 50's+. Also why not throw in some suv's, pickups, and vans?. even though they might suck, they may be fun 2 own and soup up. And I don't think we need 10,000 skylines, miatas, lancers, ect. We should replace those with other cars.
 
I think some of you are missing the point of the game. SUV's? Vans?! C'mon. That's stupid. The game is called GT3 for a reason.
 
The diversity was one of the things I liked about gt2002. They had their own races too. The game needed a few things though. If GT4 could do something like that and keep the feel of GT3 it would be great.
 
I wanted to give a simple list of American cars that would be a welcome addition for GT4, and would provide an alternative driving experience to all the Asian cars from GT3.

This list is based both on my personal experiences and the opinions of Road & Track magazine.

Modern 2003 Models

1. - Cadillac CTS - 220 hp

2. - Chevy Corvette Z06 - 350 hp
3. - Chevy Impala LS - 200 hp
4. - Chevy Monte Carlo SS - 200 hp
5. - Chevy Cavalier LS Sport - 150 hp

6. - Chrysler PT Cruiser Turbo - 215 hp
7. - Chrysler Sebring GTC Convertable - 200hp
8. - Chrysler 300M Special - 255 hp

9. - Dodge Intrepid SXT - 244 hp
10.- Dodge Stratus R/T Sedan - 200 hp
11.- Dodge Viper SRT-10 - 500 hp

12.- Ford Mustang SVT Cobra - 390 hp
13.- Ford Thunderbird Deluxe - 280 hp
14.- Ford Focus SVT - 170 hp

15.- Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - 240 hp
16.- Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - 200 hp
17.- Pontiac Vibe GT - 180 hp

18.- Maybach 62 - 550 hp

19.- Mercury Marauder - 302 hp

20.- Saleen S7 - 550 hp

Classic US Cars

1. - 69' Chevy Camaro SS396 - 375 hp
2. - 70' Dodge Charger - 370 hp
3. - 70' Chevy Chevelle SS454 - 450 hp
4. - 66' 427 Cobra - 425 hp
5. - 69' Road Runner - 390 hp
6. - 70' Plymouth Cuda Hemi - 500 hp
7. - 65' Ford Mustang Fastback -?? hp
8. - 67' Pontiac G.T.O. - ?? hp
9. - 71' Chevy Nova - ?? hp
10.-70' Dodge Challenger - ?? hp

So, what do we have?? 30 total cars, all interesting and unique. They would offer a much different driving experience than any other cars (Euro or asian) could offer.

And importantly, these cars would only take up 20% of a game with 150 possible cars and only 8.3% of a game with 250 possible cars. And most of the cars have either been used before (in GT2) or are makers that Poly has had the licence for already.

For the largest car market (with some of the largest manufacturers) , I don't think 8.3% to 20% on U.S. cars is asking too much. Use the rest (up to 80%!!!) on all the other makes and youll still have more than enough Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, and other to spare..........

Blackfish

Bring Back the Muscle - U.S. 60's and 70's Muscle Cars!
 
Some people are suggesting we cut down on the various Miatas, Skylines, Lancers etc.

My suggestions are:

1. Make garage capacity greater than 200 cars.

2. Split the garage into 2 groups. Favorites / Archive. The garage would be saved this way as well. The archive section is all those cars we want to keep but don't expect to drive very soon. They can be retrieved into the favorites garage at any time. This may double the potential garage size ie we could have 200 in our favorites garage and 200 in our archived garage.

3. It does get confusing with so many Miatas etc and I have recently sold some to make room in my garage for various colours of my favorite cars. I think if they are to stay they should be named more clearly in the garage list like "Miata 1989 VR Limited" or whatever the correct title is rather than Miata.

My preference is to keep all the variations because I will get to the point when I will try out each model Skyline etc.

However if keeping so many Miatas, Skylines and Lancers is keeping out other cars then sure some should make way.

4. What about a road car garage and race car garage ?

5. Whatever is done it must be done without decreasing the quality of the game.

All in all I want more cars from USA and if possible Aus and Europe and yes I know EA own Europe but hopefully Polyphony can find a few decent models that are not licensed. They obviously did that with BMW and RUF. Maybe they can find a few more.

Great list by the way Blackfish. What do you think about cars like the Lincoln Continental. Or don't you think it would get around the hairpins at Cote.
 
Hmmm.....the only decent American cars made are already in GT3.
You got your Mustang, the Corvette and the Viper......(ooh and everyone's favorite, the Camaro)......that's pretty much it. What wanker wants a new Thunderbird?? It's ugly and not a sports car. (does it even come with a manual trans?) Who mentioned the Lincoln? Are you on crack? If I was a japanese developer I'd put in a Lincoln Navigator with 24 inch rims as a joke and everyone would love it. And what is people's obsession with muscle cars?? In GT2 it was fun to drive these things because of the massive body roll and no brakes but it wasn't like real racing at all. Couldn't people at least request old Can-Am cars from back then that actually have somewhat of a suspension? I'm sorry, the Chevy Cavalier is a lame ass pile of crap. No wait, I forgot about the Z24, it really kicks ass. Not. The only cool American cars that aren't already a part of Gran Turismo are prototypes....Give me those. I hate Nascar but I would put one car in like they did in GT2 just for fun. Sorry to offend any rednecks.....just kidding, I do that on purpose.
 
Well, I've never understood the need for 10 different Lancers or Skylines (especially if there is no performance difference). I maen, who purposely chooses the lower-powered car? Nobody, unless they are trying to make a challenge out of it. But really, one or two of each model will do.

Duplicate cars are for duplicate people. You're car isn't original because it's red rather than black. Or because it has a fancy name like Tommy Makkinen Edition.
Don't waste our time with V-specs when it's no better than a regular model. Cut the bull****, Polyphony...we want diversity, not a jumble of similar cars. And give us the best or don't bother at all.

Give us a street version and a racing version. And bring a lot of the goodies from GT2 back. Get the right paintjobs on them too, we know every car isn't sponsored by Gran Turismo.

While we're at it: give us 5 good competitiors before your give us more AI cars that are still poor competition.

Get rid of ASC and TCS.

Cut out the kei cars. Nobody's dreaming of driving them for hours on end.

Give us the opportunity to save more than once per memory card. The technology's there, right?
 
That's all good stuff, pupik.
I don't mind them giving us variety of versions of the same car- so long as they don't count them all as different cars, as the have in the past, and boast that the game features 300 different cars when there are really only 150..
 
I would like to see some suv's and some trucks. It wouldnt hurt the game. My Grand Cherokee does a donut just as good as my wife's Mustang.

Some Suv's for example:

Lexus RX 300
BMW X5
Jeep Grand Cherokee
and we could go on and on

Some trucks:
Chevy 454 SS
Ford Lightining
etc.

Just like in real life when we drive down the highway or when we pull up to a stop light and race someone, not everyone races a sportscar. Now that's Diversity!
 
Before anyone jumps down Laredo's throat remember the suggestion that these "novelty" cars (novelty if you have a strict GT cars only mindset) could be prize cars that are hard to get and maybe deep into the game so there is no requirement to race with them.

Another option is that you can unlock novelty series that do not count towards your % complete score. You could win big $ by racing them to do up your novelty vehicles.

On the one hand I agree that GT games should remain focussed so as to not reduce the quality but I hate the fact that no one else out there can make a game engine that comes close or that allows you to race a variety of vehicles on a variety of tracks. That is why people want various vehicles in the game.
 
Originally posted by gumpy
Before anyone jumps down Laredo's throat remember the suggestion that these "novelty" cars (novelty if you have a strict GT cars only mindset) could be prize cars that are hard to get and maybe deep into the game so there is no requirement to race with them.

Ahhh, dont worry about me this has come up before. By that I mean people saying GT is only for cars then I remind them that GT3 has a truck in it, the PT Cruiser! Yes, it has been classified as a truck by the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)U.S.

This came up about 2 years ago on granturismo.com. When I posted this same fact (not my opinion) it caused a big uproar.

Here ya goPT Cruiser truck or car?
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I have heard that before about the PT Cruiser.

My main issue is that some people are not very open minded about additions to GT games.

There is another factor that limits what the software companies can do.

It is a well known fact (I think) that consoles are sold at a loss ie to build a PS2 it costs more than what it is sold for but Sony get revenue from the game sales. This is why console games are normally more than PC games. In Australia it is usually $100AUD for a PS2 game whereas it can be $80-$90 for the PC version.

Sony therefore would not want Polyphony making a game that satisfies everyones taste. Sony love the idea that to get the best racing out there you probably need:

Gran Turismo
A full rally title
A full NASCAR title
A full F1 title
A full Indy title (I can't wait)
Either NFS or Ferrari Challenge or both
A truck game if that is your fancy
Burnout
Pro Race Driver

I am not a PS2 freak ie I have a PC and have only had the PS2 for about 4 months.

I obviously have GT3 and hopefully GTC soon. I also have the following:
Colin MCrae 1 and 2 for PC
NASCAR 2000 and NASCAR Heat PC
F1 2000, 2001, Grand Prix 3 and soon F1 2002 PC
Would love to get the Indy title
NFS HP2 (PC) - we had a voucher to spend and this is what we got
Monster Truck Madness 2 PC
Burnout 2 hopefully soon
Pro Race Driver PS2 hopefully soon

Sony would hate for GT4 to cover all these areas and cover them well.

This is why I doubt you will ever see the Rally and F1 parts of GT get much more than they are now.

The novelty race / prize car option may be the best we can hope for.
 
I just want more of the cars I love in the game. GT2 was so ggod for that, diversity of all countries and car preferences. If you want to run all US or all UK or all German, it should be possible.

I will be happy if they just add in the new Dodge Charger (concept car in 99' --- production in 2004) with the V8 Hemi.

NewCharger.jpg


And maybe the V-16 Cadillac Sixteen Concept

Blackfish
 
O/T Hey Grumpy, if you would like my opinion on Burnout 2 it is a very good game 👍. Better than the first one (assuming you have it, I have both). This time parts actually fall off instead of just crumpling. And there are more ways to get boost and two new game features, such as Pursuit and Crash (my favorite). There are also custom cars. There are about 15 or 20 cars in the game. Its a good game if you need a brake from GT3...
 
One thing that came as a shock for me was we got Burnout 2 before GT3 mainly because the PS2 is for the kids ha ha and they are not the type of kids to get into a game like needed for GT3.

Anyway, I played Burnout 2 with all its mega speed and then played GT3 driving a Daihatsu Storia X4 at like 20mph (well it felt like it). I thought why do people like GT3 so much when it is this slow. Obvioulsy over the last few months I have found out and have of course won and bought some pretty quick cars.
 
y cant gt4 use two disc's an arcarde and sim mode (or even sometin else like in driver 2 there were two discs) like in GT2 this would allow for more cars and tracks but still keep the amount of detail if not enhace it as they would have 9.4 gig instead of 4.7 i would pay an extra $20 - 40 if gt4 had more diversity damage and better ai cause really u would be buying an acade game and a sim game in one so $130 AUS isnt that bad when that is considered.
 
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