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I have read in MANY publications F40's they weigh ~1100kg up to ~1150kg but cannot for the life of me work out why GT5 says it's ~1300kg.They get the Curb Weight for most of their car's right,so why is this an exception?

I have also noticed this with the Jaguar XKR,so what's going on?Anyone can shed light on this?

Also,does it affect performance relative to it's real life counterpart?
 
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I have read in MANY publications that they weigh ~1100kg up to ~1150kg but cannot for the life of me work out why GT5 says it's ~1300kg.They get the Curb Weight for most of their car's right,so why is this an exception?

I have also noticed this with the Jaguar XKR,so what's going on?Anyone can shed light on this?

Also,does it affect performance relative to it's real life counterpart?

Nobody is going to know what car you are talking about or be able to help you if you don't specify what you're talking about.
 
Maybe its including driver and a set amount of fuel. Although GT5 is good it doesnt make your cars faster on low fuel. Ive tried

80kg for driver + 100 or so kg for fuel is more than acceptable
 
Maybe its including driver and a set amount of fuel. Although GT5 is good it doesnt make your cars faster on low fuel. Ive tried

80kg for driver + 100 or so kg for fuel is more than acceptable

I do believe all car's in GT5 are based on curb weight with driver and fuel.So it shouldnt make a palpable difference?:)
 
I have read in MANY publications that they weigh ~1100kg up to ~1150kg but cannot for the life of me work out why GT5 says it's ~1300kg.They get the Curb Weight for most of their car's right,so why is this an exception?

I have also noticed this with the Jaguar XKR,so what's going on?Anyone can shed light on this?

Also,does it affect performance relative to it's real life counterpart?

1100kg is incorrect I believe (regardless of what Wikipedia or anyone else says), with fluids, Euro models weigh closer to 1240kg and US model weighs close to 1350kg...

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158905

It's a bit of long explanation but I think the original 1100kg figure came from a prototype F40 they made based on the original 288 GTO (if I'm not mistaken).
 
1100kg is incorrect I believe (regardless of what Wikipedia or anyone else says), with fluids, Euro models weigh closer to 1240kg and US model weighs close to 1350kg...

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158905

It's a bit of long explanation but I think the original 1100kg figure came from a prototype F40 they made based on the original 288 GTO (if I'm not mistaken).

Very detailed answer.Thanks! :)
Frankly im suprised that US versions weigh so much more when EU versions were tested at ~1250kg.Could it be crash regulation bumpers,structures?
And should I do a weight reduction on mine?(That said it already feel's lighter than anything I've ever tested)
 
Very detailed answer.Thanks! :)
Frankly im suprised that US versions weigh so much more when EU versions were tested at ~1250kg.Could it be crash regulation bumpers,structures?
And should I do a weight reduction on mine?(That said it already feel's lighter than anything I've ever tested)

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As far as the weight differences, per Ferrarichat:

- Chassis reinforcements with additional sections front & rear in the USA cars, which the Eu cars do not have. Note that some Eu cars have the adjustable suspension system which adds some weight.
- Body reinforcements in the front hood, within each door, and in the rear hood of all USA cars. The front & rear hoods are noticeably heavier than those pf the Eu cars, which are quite flimsy in feel if you are used to operating a USA car. Also, the addition of bumper strips front & rear in the USA cars accounts for some weight.
- Interior safety components for USA cars such as automatic seat-belt equipment, slightly heavier 2-piece seats, knee-bolsters etc. Note that some Eu cars do not have glass side-windows, but rather plastic sliding windows, which saves some weight.
- USA cars have aluminum gas tanks as opposed to rubber bags in the Eu cars. Emissions-control components are fitted to the USA cars. The USA cars have a slightly different gearbox, but negligible weight difference here. Many cars both USA and Eu wear Tubi straight pipes and although not original equipment should be noted as it is a significant weight savings over the large factory system.

Ferrari spent (if I remember correctly) in the neighborhood of $10-12 milllion USD to modify the F40 to meet US safety regulations, which basically showed up in the above changes.
 
It's a bit of long explanation but I think the original 1100kg figure came from a prototype F40 they made based on the original 288 GTO (if I'm not mistaken).

Do you mean this?

Ferrari-288-GTO-Evoluzione_1.jpg
 
Do you mean this?

Sort of, that was the 288 GTO Evoluzione (sp?), which I believe was a Group B race car...kind of like the Ferrari F50 GT or something, it was a limited run race car built on a production model. I think styling-wise that heavily influenced the F40.

I believe I remember reading somewhere that the original prototypes for the F40 were actually based on (built on) the 288 GTO and that was what the 1100kg dry weight was based on...kind of a hybrid prototype, not the actual Euro production F40.

I'll see if I can find the citation for that...
 
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As far as the weight differences, per Ferrarichat:

- Chassis reinforcements with additional sections front & rear in the USA cars, which the Eu cars do not have. Note that some Eu cars have the adjustable suspension system which adds some weight.
- Body reinforcements in the front hood, within each door, and in the rear hood of all USA cars. The front & rear hoods are noticeably heavier than those pf the Eu cars, which are quite flimsy in feel if you are used to operating a USA car. Also, the addition of bumper strips front & rear in the USA cars accounts for some weight.
- Interior safety components for USA cars such as automatic seat-belt equipment, slightly heavier 2-piece seats, knee-bolsters etc. Note that some Eu cars do not have glass side-windows, but rather plastic sliding windows, which saves some weight.
- USA cars have aluminum gas tanks as opposed to rubber bags in the Eu cars. Emissions-control components are fitted to the USA cars. The USA cars have a slightly different gearbox, but negligible weight difference here. Many cars both USA and Eu wear Tubi straight pipes and although not original equipment should be noted as it is a significant weight savings over the large factory system.

Ferrari spent (if I remember correctly) in the neighborhood of $10-12 milllion USD to modify the F40 to meet US safety regulations, which basically showed up in the above changes.

Gee that's alot of stuff...and alot of cash.It always seems exhausts on italian exotics are compromised in terms of weight.Like fitting a aftermarket exhaust on a Murcielago or Gallardo seems to save ~30kg.Im guessing the extra rigidity of the body helps though.
 
Sort of, that was the 288 GTO Evoluzione (sp?), which I believe was a Group B race car...kind of like the Ferrari F50 GT or something, it was a limited run race car built on a production model. I think styling-wise that heavily influenced the F40.

I believe I remember reading somewhere that the original prototypes for the F40 were actually based on (built on) the 288 GTO and that was what the 1100kg dry weight was based on...kind of a hybrid prototype, not the actual Euro production F40.

I'll see if I can find the citation for that...

Yes it is the 288 Evoluzione. It was intended as a group B racer but the regs changed before it was ready to race, so it became a test bed for the F40. Look carefully and you can see elements of the F40's design in it (the triangle vents on the boot lid, the slashes on the rear wheel well etc)

Edit: too late!
 
Yes it is the 288 Evoluzione. It was intended as a group B racer but the regs changed before it was ready to race, so it became a test bed for the F40. Look carefully and you can see elements of the F40's design in it (the triangle vents on the boot lid, the slashes on the rear wheel well etc)

Edit: too late!

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Kind of sad though that they cannibalized the 288 GTO Evo's considering they were so rare to start with. I'm sure it'll never happen, but I'd love a chance to get to drive these rare limited run Ferraris (288 GTO Evo, F40 LM, F50 GT, Enzo FXX) in GT5.
 
Yes it is the 288 Evoluzione. It was intended as a group B racer but the regs changed before it was ready to race, so it became a test bed for the F40. Look carefully and you can see elements of the F40's design in it (the triangle vents on the boot lid, the slashes on the rear wheel well etc)

Edit: too late!

Was the carbon tub exclusive to the F40 or did this have it too?I know the engine is similar though...
 
Was the carbon tub exclusive to the F40 or did this have it too?I know the engine is similar though...

I believe the F40 still used a tubular steel chassis (with CF body panels) and the F50 introduced the use of a carbon fiber tub.
 
I thought so too,but the interior floor/structure looks like carbon,hence I assumed the carbon tub.Im really not sure.Driving the F40 though feels so rigid that I believed it was.
 
Although GT5 is good it doesnt make your cars faster on low fuel. Ive tried

That's incorrect, I'm afraid. Run a few 50 lap races and you'll see!

Incidentally the weight of fuel in the game is roughly 74kg (100 litres)... that's supposing that PD are using a reasonably accurate density calculation.
 
It does, in endurance races. I'm not taking any arguments against this - it is fact.

This is true, in fact I've taken this observation one step further. I've noticed across multiple cars run by myself in endurance A-spec, or by Bob in endurance B-spec, that most cars hit peak lap times around 75% fuel capacity in the tank. I'm assuming that the default suspension setups PD tuned to the cars must be at their peak efficiency when 25 liters of fuel has been burned. Not saying this is the absolute case for all cars, but I have noticed it as a large trend holds true.
 
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