What affects tire wear?

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Today I was lapping my ASL Garaiya. The car has been modified to be like a race car: spoiler, custom suspension, racing hards, weight reductions, etc. This Garaiya is something like 700 kg—very lightweight. It also has a decent setup; the car doesn't feel like it's being stressed to much while driving. I noticed that the tires (racing hards) take signifigantly longer to warm up than the average race car (heating is essentially caused by wear). This brought me to wonder:

What affects tire wear?

Before you answer, I know that driving vigor plays a major role here (if you bring it up, I'll get mad :grumpy:). As I mentioned though, this car is a lot lighter than most cars. A lot. So I would think: weight affects tire wear. The more force you have the pushing down on the wheels, the more friction is created, thus speeding up the tires deterioration. Is this true / does GT5 take weight into account?

The next thought I had was setup, particularly suspension. A good setup should help your car flow through the corners; no oversteer or understeer, or things of that nature that wear out the car. For example, too much camber eats tires. As I said, my Garaiya has a good setup, so there's not to much stress anywhere while it's driving. I'm not sure about his theory, but I seems like it would be a factor.

So has anyone else observed these two factors affecting tire heating/wear? Can anyone prove or disprove these theories? And even if they're true, do you think GT5 takes them into account?

Think about it, and please share.

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There is no question that weight affects tire wear in GT5.

There is also no question that suspension setup affects tire wear. It's more than just whether a car oversteers/understeers though.

If your toe is incorrect and the car scrubs the front tires, it will wear them faster for example.
 
I've participated in quite a few NASCAR races of 50 laps and more around Daytona.

I noticed that softer shock/spring settings made my tires last longer - even though the car didn't handle as well.

Other settings that seem to affect tire wear include Camber and Toe.
 
This might be a bit surprising but I noticed something regarding tire wear. I did the Nurburgring 4 hrs endurance race a few days ago. At some point I had a healthy 6 minutes lead and I decided to take a break to make some coffee. I parked the car in neutral and I let the game run. When I rejoined the race - to my surprise - I realized that my tires were in worst condition than when I left. I thought is just a visual glitch and I continued my lap. I must say that I didn't get to the end of that lap and I used up all my tires.I could barely keep the car on the road to the end of the lap. I got passed by 3 cars and even at 40mph the car would not turn without spinning. Normally you don't use the tires if your car is parked in neutral and is not moving. This must be a glitch.
 
Just like in real life, car settings ie.. weight,suspension,downforce,KIND OF TIRES, and driving style.Hard tires last longer, take more time to heat up and grip.Soft tires heat up faster and have better grip, but wear out faster.It all comes down to what tires you run, how you drive, and your setup for said car.And the surface of the track. rough,,smooth ect...

And to nikOs, you let your tires cool down, causing the tire to break down when reheated.Ive been involved in real racing my entire life, some things transfer to racing games.. some dont. and other **** makes no sence why it does what it does.lol
 
Better driving lines and setting up soft springs/dampers-normal>higher ride height-reduces tire wear. Weight distribution using the ballast and adjusting Toe settings will help you balance out tire grip.
 
And to nikOs, you let your tires cool down, causing the tire to break down when reheated.Ive been involved in real racing my entire life, some things transfer to racing games.. some dont. and other **** makes no sence why it does what it does.lol[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your input. That will actually make sense.
If that's the case then I must say GT5 is better then I thought. I wish that is the reason and not some wired glitch that wears the tires based on time spent on the track not on actual physics laws. I will run a test at slow speed by weaving a little to keep the tires warm and see what happens.
 
Scrubbing of the tyres will wear them out very quickly. I have a problem with my F2007's set up that gives me horrendous scrubbing on the front wheels which wears the tyres out prematurely.
 
drifting corners. if you drive at a nice pace in endurance races your tires last longer.. if you push it to hard you will ruin tires fast
 
Any stress put on the tires will cause tire wear. Weight is the number one cause of shredding off layers of rubber. Most people would say that power is the biggest cause, but it really isn't. The Red Bull X2010 puts down 1500hp without shredding the tires, but that's because it only weighs 545kg.

Heavier cars will be more difficult to push, which means the tires will slip more on acceleration. Think of it as pushing a boat trailer, then pushing a boat trailer with an actual boat on it. Which instance will your shoes wear out quicker? Also consider that cornering and braking will require the tires to work harder holding a heavy car on the racing line.

Additionally, always keep an eye on your tire temperature. Keeping it between light blue and pink will maximize tire life and grip.

One of the more interesting factors is tire selection. There are quite a few cars in my garage that will wear through a set of mediums or hards faster than softs, simply because the vehicle will spin them that much more. I guess this qualifies as a lead in to power. Because a lot of online races disallow traction control, having the fastest car often means having the car that wears down tires the fastest. So what do you do? Cheat!

Set first gear as short as possible so you don't downshift into it during a race, set 2nd and 3rd as long as possible, and set 4th to be a smooth transition between 3rd and 5th. This is what I like to call "cheater tc" because it gives the same effect as traction control, reduces tire wear, and doesn't lessen the power when you need it on the top end.

Finally, keeping all four tires as evenly planted as possible will reduce wear significantly. The more rubber in contact with the ground, the less work each tire has to do. Having a close to 50:50 weight distribution, downforce, stiff suspension, etc. will allow for the best grip and the lowest wear.
 
Tire selection in GT5 is a way to control the difficulty really, as there are no changing track conditions and all the racing tires wear about the same rate.
 
really unoptimised friction, or when my wife would turn the wheel 900 degrees standing still.
 
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Additionally, always keep an eye on your tire temperature. Keeping it between light blue and pink will maximize tire life and grip.
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I've never had tires turn pink during normal driving. I've only had it as a second of transition from red to white/blue, after skidding, snowplowing, or something of that nature. Is that what you mean? Because I thought the warmest your tires could get during clean racing was from blue to white.
 
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I've never had tires turn pink during normal driving. I've only had it as a second of transition from red to white/blue, after skidding, snowplowing, or something of that nature. Is that what you mean? Because I thought the warmest your tires could get during clean racing was from blue to white.
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Wheelspin in your car, voilá RED!
 
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Just like in real life, car settings ie.. weight,suspension,downforce,KIND OF TIRES, and driving style.Hard tires last longer, take more time to heat up and grip.Soft tires heat up faster and have better grip, but wear out faster.It all comes down to what tires you run, how you drive, and your setup for said car.And the surface of the track. rough,,smooth ect...

And to nikOs, you let your tires cool down, causing the tire to break down when reheated.Ive been involved in real racing my entire life, some things transfer to racing games.. some dont. and other **** makes no sence why it does what it does.lol
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Please explain to me this tire breakdown theory of yours. I've been autocrossing almost 20 years and this is the first time I've heard it.
 

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