what do you think the RSX will score in 3dmark?(pics of the RSX)

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The G70 scored a 7600 while the R520 scored a 10,000. The R500 is what the xenos will be comparable to and that's stronger than the R520. Now the RSX is said to be based off the G70 but how much alike is the RSX to the G70? Is it possible the RSX has the power of a G70 ultra maybe? the difference in clock speed for the G70 and RSX is big, the RSX has a clock speed of 550mhz, the G70 has a clock speed of 430mhz(correct me if I'm wrong)
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Wow.......where did you get those pics?

Doesnt look as cool as the Emotion Engine.......but hell, your not gonna see it anyway!
 
3dmark is inaccurate and has long since been considered to be a false statement of power. No one in the professional industry even views it as a useful tool to represent what is possible with a certain GPU. It's just outdated technology. Poly's and framerates no longer dictate how good a game looks, newer tech's allow us to leave those limits and go forward to new heights, heights where the 3dmark test does not allow you to go.
 
Black95Z28
RSX<ATi
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you have issues. loyalty is nothing to pledge to a company.

And that is based on opinoin and speculation, both cards have strong and weak points. As far as I'm concerned, ATI is much better with multimedia applications, but for pure gaming performance, nVidia is better. Just as you have your opinions, so does everyone else, but you don't have to state it every post you make, it's childish.
 
RSX=G70? I doubt it. I don't think NVidia ever confirmed precisely what the dev kits were running.. most people assume it was two 6800's running in SLI, but that's just because of what they said at the conference, that RSX would be more than twice as powerful as two 6800's.

On the flip side, I've heard a couple of rumors that the dev kits are actually running two 7800's in SLI. Which is one of the reasons why they've been so tight lipped about it, and would also explain why the dev kits are in such short supply at the moment. Whether it's true or not, who knows.

I don't think the 3DMark stuff will have any bearing on the chip itself. Those tests are made for PC cards.. console cards are a completely different beast. Case in point: Show me a PC graphics card with only 4MB video memory that can run GT4. You won't be able to find one, because it doesn't exist, except in the PS2. The only thing the 3DMark tests will tell you is how the chip would function if it were installed in a PC. Which it won't be. Ever.
 
the 430 VS 550mhz is big and if u clocked the G70 to 550 the RSX would still be faster if run on the same hardware since current CPUs always are the bottle neck for the fasted GPU's.. And 3Dmark does not make or break a graphics card.

The Nvidia 7800(Ultra?) was shown on G4 today and they had 2 of them to be run in SLI mode and will be benchmarking it :)

My ATI X700 stopped working for an unknow reason :(. Its the only card that ever dioed on me.
 
tha_con
you have issues. loyalty is nothing to pledge to a company.

And that is based on opinoin and speculation, both cards have strong and weak points. As far as I'm concerned, ATI is much better with multimedia applications, but for pure gaming performance, nVidia is better. Just as you have your opinions, so does everyone else, but you don't have to state it every post you make, it's childish.
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cobragt
is 3dmark really that bad?
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Yes and no.. history recalls a time when nVidia used cheats(lowering quality to maximize framerate) in thier drivers to attain higher scores(some things never change).
It is good for being what it is, basically nothing more than a simple benchmark .... use the same clip of real time rendering and seeing who does it best/fastest. Far from "real world." I wouldnt trust what the company promotes thier score but I would trust some websites like anandtech.com
 
3d mark benchmark are still an important part of judging how well a specific card works. as Black95Z28 said there was a bad time a while back where a number of "optimisations" were used. by both parties tho mainly nvidia. hardware websites have gone far more in-depth since that time thoand now actively check what sort of visual quality the cards in question produce as well as the speed they do it.

have only zipped thru the thread, but from what i have been told (and believe) the RSX will be based on the G70 core (which is actually a rework of the nv40 core (see Geforce 6)). shrunk to 90nm - which will decrease power consumption and THEORETICALLY increase maximum clock speed, if all goes well. Memory i hear hasnt been finalised at this time, although the 256mb i heard last seems about right. up from 4mb on the PS2. and running many, many, times faster. sweeeet.

Im expecting a speed bump here larger than from ps1 to ps2. things are going to get very interesting very soon :drool:

HDTV time!
 
tidbit:
Nvidia 7800 doesn't have an ultra model yet because it's rumored there will be a ultra model debuting, that will more than likely be slightly faster than tha XFX 7800 model, so it will cost more..
 
nVidia is trying to trick ATi. The new G70 (7800 range) of cards does run at 430MHz in default to save power. However, when you play a game for example it will increase it's clock rate to achive greater performance. The card has the abillity to overclock itself. It has three different frequencies at wich it can run. We already know what the first one is but the other two are not yet known.
It's genious.

This way the card uses far less power when you are simply browsing the net or doing something else that doesn't require the full grunt of your gfx card.

Source:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/07/07/g70_clock_speed/

So i wouldn't be so sure about the clockspeed of the RSX since it's based around the same tech, it could very well have the same feature.
 
GTChamp2003
nVidia is trying to trick ATi. The new G70 (7800 range) of cards does run at 430MHz in default to save power. However, when you play a game for example it will increase it's clock rate to achive greater performance. The card has the abillity to overclock itself. It has three different frequencies at wich it can run. We already know what the first one is but the other two are not yet known.
It's genious.

This way the card uses far less power when you are simply browsing the net or doing something else that doesn't require the full grunt of your gfx card.

Source:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/07/07/g70_clock_speed/

So i wouldn't be so sure about the clockspeed of the RSX since it's based around the same tech, it could very well have the same feature.
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But wouldn´t the RSX be always used to gaming?
 
I'd think the RSX will be nearly 100% gaiming. We already know that the Cell can do graphics as well, and I'd say that the Cell would take any non-game graphics related loads off the RSX and handle that it'self or delegate it to one of the core's. I don't see any need for the RSX to do more than just games graphics.
 
Black95Z28
Yes and no.. history recalls a time when nVidia used cheats(lowering quality to maximize framerate) in thier drivers to attain higher scores(some things never change).
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Actually, ATi was the first company caught cheating their benchmark performance in Doom 3 tests. With fanboys, some things never change.

Both card companies are awesome now, but I jumped ship from ATi back to NVidia to get a 6800GT 256.

As for the benchmarking, since the PS3 is a pretty much pure gaming rig, it should benchmark equivalent to a 4ghz or better PC, so until some tech guru figures out some equivalent benchmark for it, it's anyone's guess.
 
Tenacious D
As for the benchmarking, since the PS3 is a pretty much pure gaming rig, it should benchmark equivalent to a 4ghz or better PC, so until some tech guru figures out some equivalent benchmark for it, it's anyone's guess.
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There wont be any benchmarking and there wont be any fair comparisons if there was considering the bus speed for PS3's graphics, memory and CPU are beyond what PC's have now. Ps3 is a gaming rig , Nvidia's APIs writin specifcally for the RSX will have huge advantages over D3D and open GL.
 
I see it as the Cell doing the nuber crunching for the core of the game IE physics and the like while the RSX will polish what the Cell has already done. maybe it will be different, but one thing is for sure, that the RSX and the new line of nvidia cards are run in a different way and will be very different, bit like a set of identical twins, one is a super athelete and the other is a couch patato, and time will tell which.

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