What makes a good racer?

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The ability to excel on any one given track or with any one given vehicle?

Or would one have to be decent at ALL aspects of racing?

i.e., rally & road, JGTC & Touring

Looking for everyone's thoughts. :)
 
My personal favorites are the JGTC cars. They got it all. They are very fast, handle beautifully and look good. But the best of GT4 is obliviously the Formula GT since it does all that and more almost perfectly and the Le Mans cars. Those are all great racers but I can't say what makes a good racer since there is my view and then is other people view.
 
If you can get top 200 on just 1 leaderboard in FM, PGR, (games with leaderboards and online racing) in your chosen class then I would consider them good. Getting top 200 on those games in any class shows a clear understanding of the racing line and proper technique. If you can get top 200 on tsukuba for example then you will be competitive online there, I would not consider them anything more then good.
 
Well...being good driver. :D And don't drive like mad pushing cars of the track, being completely of trajectory line,etc. And there a good driver for this and other for that. For being a good driver you don't need to be the best in everything. Now me, I'm not a excelent driver but as you can see from the lap benchmark I'm not bad in asphalt tracks but when you put gravel on it I'm not very good. 5 seconds slower than you on the Swiss Alps.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's talking about what makes a good driver.

You gotta have "it" - that feel for what the car is doing, the ability to instinctively react properly to guide the car through the course as fast as possible. "It" is different in every sport, and the fastest rally car driver might not be able to compete in F1 and vice versa. Look at Sebastien Bourdais, for example. He utterly destroyed ChampCar, but couldn't translate that into wins in F1, two very similar series. Juan Pablo Montoya did pretty good in F1, but isn't doing as well in NASCAR. Michael Schumacher might not be a good rally car driver, but would anyone question his talents on asphalt?

There are a whole bunch of other things that make a good driver, but if it doesn't come naturally to you, you'll never be a great racer.
 
Michael Schumacher was my favorite driver but now I question a lot his talent on asphalt with his results this and previous season.
But on the rest I agree with you hot shoe.
 
but if it doesn't come naturally to you, you'll never be a great racer.

That is not true at all, nobody is born knowing how to do anything. Nobody is naturally talented, you results are based on not only how you practice, but how much you practice. That is all, end of story unless you want evidence.
 
Michael Schumacher was my favorite driver but now I question a lot his talent on asphalt with his results this and previous season.
But on the rest I agree with you hot shoe.

He's 42. At that age, and having taken a break from F1, he has no right to be doing as well as he has. At the European GP he managed to pass somebody without a front wing, and he kicked ass in the rain at Montreal. His pace may be gone, but his racecraft in a pack is still second to none. Rosberg often qualifies ahead of Schumacher, but the old man still weasels his way past in the first few corners.

It's perfectly possible to be naturally talented. Practice is certainly required, but you have to have the right skillset to truly succeed. Some people just pick up on things faster than others.
 
1. It's perfectly possible to be naturally talented.

2. Practice is certainly required, but you have to have the right skillset to truly succeed.

3. Some people just pick up on things faster than others.[/QUOTE]

1. Everyone sucks when they first try something new, EVERYONE!!!

2. You arent born with skills, you aquire them by practicing.(When I say skills here I dont mean instincs)

3. Yes some people pick up on things faster, and some people pick up on things slower. But who ever strives to succeed and is consistaintly tryin to succeed will. The mindset has alot to do with it aswell. Tiger woods won alot befor his life went to crap, look at this - http://www.theimproper.com/10738/tiger-woods-golf-game-a-shamble-after-sex-scandal
 
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You know how many people will train their whole lives to compete in the Tour de France and never be mentioned on TV? Most of the peleton.

Let's just agree to disagree.
 
My Three Top Things

1) Integrity, absolutely no cheating to the point its a foregin concept.
2) Willing to compete regardless of the outcome.
3) Something to compete in if autoracing and or shoes if its a foot race.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's talking about what makes a good driver.

You gotta have "it" - that feel for what the car is doing, the ability to instinctively react properly to guide the car through the course as fast as possible. "It" is different in every sport, and the fastest rally car driver might not be able to compete in F1 and vice versa. Look at Sebastien Bourdais, for example. He utterly destroyed ChampCar, but couldn't translate that into wins in F1, two very similar series. Juan Pablo Montoya did pretty good in F1, but isn't doing as well in NASCAR. Michael Schumacher might not be a good rally car driver, but would anyone question his talents on asphalt?

There are a whole bunch of other things that make a good driver, but if it doesn't come naturally to you, you'll never be a great racer.

You know what? I read this and realized that I could never have said it better myself. Hot_shoe has nailed it. "It" is what's most important. Flynn and I have had many discussions on the matter, and I actually take pride in being one who was influential in bringing him over to the dark side of racing: the side where we lawl at challenges. We discussed at length one afternoon whether knowledge of a car or knowledge of a course was more influential. We also discussed the theory of tuning, the ideology behind The Line, and how to alter oneself to suit the course/car combo rather than vice versa.

To echo Hot_shoe, it's about the people who can identify The Line. That's what makes a good racer, in my opinion. There are people who can post fast lap times, and people who can win races, but it's the folks who have that almost spiritual connection where all else fades away and it's just you, the car and the stretch of road in front of your face. It's metaphysical, man.

And to add some credibility to Hot_shoe's sentiments, there are folks born with a natural talent for a given ability. To assert otherwise would be fallacy, as not all people have the same potential to do the exact same things equally as well as others. My grandfather in law has the ability to carve and sculpt, freehand, things I could not possibly duplicate. However, I am a wizard with numbers and with money. We were indeed practiced in our fields, but we had natural talents in those directions, and all we did was to sharpen those skills.

You, Anderson, for example, have an almost unnatural skill at the 'Ring. It may be that it stems from your experience with Forza, but be that as it may, I've been driving in GT4 since the game's release and have logged countless hours on the 'Ring with various machines ranging from the slowest to the fastest, and I still can't match your times. They're beastly. That's not within my natural skillset. It is in yours. Just the same, Sarthe is my domain. I'm most definitely not the best there, but I can scorch the pavement with the best, as my benchmark times can attest. It is within my natural skillset.

Pardon my lengthy reply. I sometimes get longwinded when the weekend rolls around.
 
Well, I don't care about any 'top 200' positions or such stuff, a good racer is someone who can beat his opponents even with the exact same car with the same tune, or even in a worse car if necessary. And of course, keeps it clean. Rough driving belongs to a demo derby or a similar event, but not in those types of races that appear in GT. ('cept maybe touring cars)
 
A consistent dedication to improving their skills. Never blaming circumstance for their failures, only asking what they could have done differently.
 
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