whats the point?

Discussion in 'Art & Photography' started by aussie4, Oct 29, 2015.

  1. aussie4

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    I don't know why I try so hard to be good at photography and videography. Its been well over 5 years I have been doing this and I have very little to show for it. I don't understand why I try and don't get any return from it. don't get me wrong, I love what I do, but all I get now a days is who I do a crappy job. I actually had to remove one of my videos today covering the new ford gt because the comments so bad. What I want to know is, how many people gave up or pushed through it because I don't know if I should go on making videos and taking photos
     
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    @aussie4 - You should post some examples of your photography/videography and maybe we can give some pointers. A quick search of your posts shows you're into making photos and videos of GT but if you have any real life stuff I'd like to see it. Also you said you don't get any return from it so what kind of return are you looking for?

    I get bummed about photography from time to time or go through periods where I feel uncreative but I just push through. I've actually been in what I feel is a creative lull for over a year now but I try to get out and shoot as often as I can which isn't often, may a few times a month or when I travel.
     
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    https://www.facebook.com/william.mckenzie.986/media_set?set=a.922278391197943.100002473731822&type=3

    thats some of my older stuff, i dont have any new stuff on my laptop atm

    and for the type of return im looking for, I just want to see something that makes it all worth it. Lately I see that my videos are getting popular because of the wonderful people on here, but today I got one of the worst comments I have ever gotten. It just made me think, if I have been putting in all this effort for 5 years and only gotten 151 subs, and not even 10,000 views. Its the same with my photography.
     
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  4. Manasseh257NSX

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    Keep trucking man! I know it gets hard when you're not acknowledged for your work. I've had my fair share of it and still do get a lot of it but I keep fighting through it and keep doing what I'm doing. SOMEONE is bound to recognize the material you make. To extend off of that, I just watched some of your videos, They're are pretty damn good! haven't looked at the photography yet. I just subscribed to you and I look forward to your future videos.

    Also, if you want, I can feature your channel on my YouTube channel of "Featured Channels" I have 22,000+ Subscribers. A lot of them are American Football fans but I'm pretty sure 1/4 of them are gamers. (That's approx. 5,500 people) I hate to see good well-produced material get overlooked.
     
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  5. Mike Rotch

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    What is your objective? - Get lots of subs or make art?

    Unless you are a rare prodigy, the two are mutually exclusive.
     
  6. nascarfan1400

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    Keep at it man. I'm a youtuber not a professional videographer or anything, but as long as your having fun that's what matters. As for views and subs, it grows exponentially. I joined youtube in 2011 and it took me till almost 2013 to get even 50 subscribers. Now it's 2015 and I've almost gotten 300. You gotta give it time. Don't give up. Find ways to make it fun.
     
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    1. Just do whatever you feel the best. Dont too much at pushing yourself.
    2. Dont let other people brings down you unless they have an advice to make you improve.
    3. If you may, you can see other peoples work that you prefer as reference.
    4. Have a basic art direction as your foundation for your work.
    5. Followers or Subs will come naturally in the end. Promoting it makes the odds bigger though.
     
  9. aussie4

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    Dude, thank you. You dont have to.

    you guys are the best ever. You are the type of people who make gtplanet such a great site. Thank you

    I set it to public

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.922278391197943&type=1&l=c43188cf29
     
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  10. Andrew R

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    Seems like you need a break from it. If you aren't enjoying it anymore and it's not your income, take a step back from it. Everyone gets burnt out. Worrying about subscribers or followers seems counter productive too to be honest.
     
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    Watch this and memorise it:

     
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  12. Azuremen

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    Looking through that, my advice would be to step back from the editing and focus on fundamentals - composition and exposure. From fundamentals, you'll be able to extract the most from your camera before you come to editing. Figure out why you want to take the picture and what you want to convey in the image before you record it.

    Additionally, I suggest studying the work of photographers you admire. I constantly look at a variety of photographers, which their own subjects and styles, seeking to understand what it is that makes their images exceptional. Personal favorites are Alfie Goodrich, Ming Thein, Colby Brown, Thomas Heaton, Andreas Gursky, among others. Just follow what you like on Instagram/flickr/Facebook/500px/tumblr/etc.

    You're also welcome to ask questions about how I produce my images over in my thread and I'll do my best to explain, time providing.

    Creative work takes practice, study, and time. It can be extremely frustrating but truly rewarding when you create something you truly love. The video above is something all creatives should watch, and that quote from Ira Glass is something I remember on a near daily basis.
     
  13. Andrew R

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    Wow, Alfie Goodrich's Japan photos are amazing.
     
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    @aussie4

    You should keep it up, but it does depend on why your doing it - for personal satisfaction, or the approval of others. I'm constantly disappointed in my own work, sometimes I wonder why I bother, but the desire to improve is why I keep picking up the camera. I'd rather be my own harshest critic than listen to the opinion of random strangers on te interwebz, especially YouTube.
     
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    Maybe the internet's not for you. Unless those commenting provide examples of their own material that's better than their own (and when does that happen?)...

    IGNORE THEM!!!

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    Then do it!
     
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    This article of his on shooting in the Tokyo sub-way is a great read, and the resulting images are just amazing. He also discussed how, when he is stuck creatively, that he'll randomly pick a prime lens and force himself to shoot only with that to break it.
     
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    Great article. Made me miss Japan even more. Dammit.

    I know next to nothing of photography and zero of the editing process but he is inspirational. Explains it like a regular person. Read everything this guy has @aussie4 and take serious notes of @Azuremen's advice.
     
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  18. aussie4

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    thank you guys so much
     
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    I think everyone else has said what I'm going to say, but in addition to the advice already given, I would encourage you to keep trying and keep going at it. The road to success is full of failures. Unless you've got some rare natural talent, you will start off doing something not very well, photography included. I encourage you to keep reading, learning and go out and keep shooting. Shoot what is interesting to you, maybe even from a few different pictures with different elements of the same scene, then look through each critically to try and figure out what is good about the different pictures, then go and work on those specific elements.
     
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  20. aussie4

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    Thank you guys so much for everything, It made this project so much better. I hope you guys enjoy
     
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    Ok so there are a lot of questions here that could help you to find what you want. I feel like if you are expecting a return, perhaps more investment (other than just time) must be put in to make it happen. Having looked through your photography stuff, there are one or two things you could think about:

    1. What are you trying to say? What makes that particular angle of the building in such light (or whatever is going on in the shot) speak something to you? You can't simply take a picture and expect crowds to flock. Everyone has a camera phone and if its an angle that they've all seen, why should they come to you? Mix it up a little and give people a reason to follow you.

    2. Is this image as good as it can be? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Take, for instance, one of your opera house shots (the 2nd photo in there). A keen eye and a little more attention to detail could help you grab a better shot of it. The horizon is not straight and the image is quite blurry, like you are dropping the camera. If you shot it again, you could perhaps straighten it up a bit and keep a steady hand so that its more sharp. EVEN when the shot is taken well, refer back to point 1. Is it a unique angle? I'd argue no. I live on Sydney's northern beaches and I see the opera house quite regularly from the ferry. There are plenty of identical photos around. These are all questions you should ask yourself before, during and after you take a shot. Is it good enough? Is there a way to make it better? Is there any point to me taking this shot in the first place?

    3. General knowledge of what you are doing. There a few images in there that are really noisey. Maybe its going to be a really hard truth for you (and I apologise and mean nothing bad by it) but before you come to people asking if its all worth it and complaining that you aren't getting followers, you really need to try harder to learn the craft. Photography, for most people, isn't learnt overnight. You have to know your camera, what it can do and what you can do with it. You need to know how it works as well as its limitations and ways you can go about getting results. I mean nothing bad by it but some of these look like they were taken with a phone and some look like you had the camera set on automatic with really high ISO. I feel if you had more knowledge, you could iron these little niggles out before asking people why its not working. Phone and poorly set up camera pics will not get you followers. These things aren't automatically learnt with time, you need to go out and find the answers yourself. There are plenty of free online resources to help you understand all aspects of your camera.

    4. DON'T GIVE UP! Photography takes time. This is all feedback. Every negative thing you hear about your work is just a hint on how you can make it better and treat it as exactly that. Some of those photos are pants, but some are ok, so you have a direction to improve. I have only been doing photography as a serious hobby for roughly 7 years and I am learning so much every time I go out to shoot and when I come home and process.

    5. What on earth is the deal with followers? I sell myself am a professional freelance photographer (on top of my full time job) and I only have around 180 likes on my facebook photography page. Even then I have never changed my artistic direction to try and garner more likes. Do what you enjoy doing and the crowds will come. Even then, you should be so wrapped up in what you are doing that you don't notice this happening. Art in most forms should be done for the individual's enjoyment.

    I am sure there are more points to add, but mainly don't give up! There is a wealth of information that can help you improve but you just need to find for yourself what needs improving. :tup:
     
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    Best advice ever.

    It's the same with writing. You read the work of writers you admire and work out why you admire their work. Try to emulate the thought processes and philosophy behind the techniques rather than going for a superficial duplication of the the end results.

    In the end, whether you pursue it seriously or not, try to make your output something you'd genuinely enjoy reading/seeing/subscribing to. And have fun. ;)
     
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    I thought I would share what I have been working on
     
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    I have felt like this a lot. For me, I'm into drawing creatures (like my Dragon Avatar) and drawing Video Game levels and race tracks (started since I was 3) and just moved in to working on a Card Game, yet like you, I feel like I have little to show for it and don't get anything though I still enjoy designing.
     
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    I used to be WAY into photography starting sometime in 2006 (mostly car stuff, then over the years travel stuff), I even had a few paid events, one of my pictures was used in an advert at a nearby casino for a supercar rally. I was passionate about it, I wanted to make a career out of it! But 2 years ago I quit. I've since sold all my equipment and gave it up almost entirely. I gave up, because I didn't feel like anyone else really cared and I felt that I wasn't very good at it.

    But then I was like, who cares! I love photography and I want to keep doing it for myself. Now I have no camera and I crave that activity more than ever, I am itching to grab a camera and go shoot things again. I regret not pursuing photography, but my life took me in a different direction and I want to get back into it as strictly a hobby.

    Point is, try looking at it differently. Do art that you love, for yourself, keep at it, and eventually it may take you somewhere. Also, the internet is a cruel place, nasty comments are always going to happen. You also need to learn to take criticism, that will help you develop your skills even more.
     
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